Why I Now Support Somaliland Independence/Ictiraaf

[Karim]

You are incredibly naive.

What's "naive" about that statement?! I have the receipts to prove it unlike you who keeps abandoning his previous statements with the slightest pressure.

 

[TheLand]

What's "naive" about that statement?! I have the receipts to prove it unlike you who keeps abandoning his previous statements with the slightest pressure.

‘Just call’?

Illahay caqliga haku siyaadiyo sxb

 

[Malsi]

The fact of the matter is, I always supported it. My issue was with the inclusion of any people or lands that didn't want to be part of it, and that still remains a concern. The difference now is, I think they truly deserve it and it is unfair to deny it to them. The borders would of course need to be negotiated and no parts of Harti lands would be included. Aside from that, SL deserves independence and international recognition. After the recent 1 man 1 vote election that was fair and completely free of violence, and the former president MBA conceding and ready to hand over power, and the chaos that is Mogadishu, they have proven that they are mature enough to be afforded the right not to be held back by people who want nothing but war and corruption. It is clear that no progress is being made in Somalia nor will be made in the next few decades as shabaab terrorists haven't been defeated and now foreign troops including Ethiopians are entering the country in mass numbers. Soon Egyptians will also enter, along with the already present African Union troops who are going to remain in the country to 'safeguard' it. No matter who is in charge in Mogadishu, the cycle of war and corruption will continue as we have seen with Farmaajo and his replacement Gurguurte who continues to do the same things he accused his predecessor of. There is no shame in Somalia's current crop of leaders as they tried to destroy JL under Farmaajo and now Culusow. That being the case, is it really fair to hold back a people that want to leave this terrible situation? It is sadistic and mean spirited to hold back SL's development to the whims of corrupt former cab drivers and NGO assistant supervisors. Unlike other Somalis like my fellow PLers, SLers don't live all over Somalia from north to south, they live overwhelmingly in Waqooyi (and DDS in Ethiopia). It really makes no sense for them to continue to have anything to do with Somalia from a political or geographical standpoint. Their election and sincere commitment to their country crystalized my viewpoint. Please join me in supporting their cause.

P.S....Perhaps SL independence coming to fruition will wake up our stupid leaders in PL who still continue to believe in a silly notion of 'Somalia'. We've developed PL from scratch but have sat by and watched as 'presidents' from Farmaajo to Qoslaaye have sat in Villa Wardhiigley bunker seeking to undermine us at every turn. We brought this current version of federalism to Somalia but Somalis don't want it and they clearly don't want us. Let's face it, we are the most hated Somalis due in large part to the fact that we actually brought the current government to Mogadishu in 2006 using funds and soldiers paid from the proceeds of Bossaso port. Why do we continue to stick around? What is in it for us? We held a historic 1 man 1 vote election and we were cursed from the 'masjid' in Villa Somalia with destruction in 24 hours. Mogadishu's agents were paid to undermine our election and the 1 man 1 vote presidential election that Deni wanted to hold. If we had not been tied at the hip to such people, we would not have had to deal with any of that. I think SL independence will finally wake PLers up when they see SL developing and gleaming while we sit around waiting for Villa Somalia to release our aid funds every year. For those of you PLers who naively believe in Somaliweyn, just know that 90% of reer Somalia would love to see us leave as well, so the feeling is mutual. I have no doubt if a referendum was held today most Somalis would vote overwhelmingly to remove PL from Somalia. They do not want you and in fact they view you as the problem, and you should not want anything other than what is in your best interests. SLers are not your enemy, and they don't hate you. You do not even border each other. I say take everything north of Gaalkacyo and call it a day, but do not continue to stand in the way of SL's independence. After all, I believe that realistically the main thing that has been holding SL back from its freedom is PL and PLers. It is time to call a spade a spade and move on with our lives.

Adeer xadiiska wad. Anagu iyo Somalia/Somaliland isma qaadi karno. A waste on time on Puntlands part.

Balkanization is the only solution. I long lost interest in knowing what happens to Somalia iyo Somaliland.

And to my cousins in Sool, iyo Cayn? Figure yourself out.

 

[Malsi]

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Riyo maalmeed. Ya ku yiri Maakhir? Just because you are aiming at leaving Puntland, doesn't give you the right to decide other people's fat. Afkaada Maakhir kala bax.


Sheekadda Dhulbahantes is cheap.

 

[TheLand]

Adeer xadiiska wad. Anagu iyo Somalia/Somaliland isma qaadi karno. A waste on time on Puntlands part.

Balkanization is the only solution. I long lost interest in knowing what happens to Somalia iyo Somaliland.

And to my cousins in Sool, iyo Cayn? Figure yourself out.

The end goal should be balkanization and since spineless PL leaders aren’t willing to do it then SL can start and the rest will just leave once they know it’s possible and worthwhile.

 

[Throughbred]

Riyo maalmeed. Ya ku yiri Maakhir? Just because you are aiming at leaving Puntland, doesn't give you the right to decide other people's fat. Afkaada Maakhir kala bax.


Sheekadda Dhulbahantes is cheap.

Next President of Somalia Mr Firdhiye.

 

[Malsi]

Next President of Somalia Mr Firdhiye.

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Illaahey ha idin barakeeyo iyo, Hawiye iyo Isaaq. I love you guys but I don't care or have interest in ya'll.

I hope you figure yourself out, and if you need help, Puntland is always there but the boarder?

Should be closed.

 

[Malsi]

The end goal should be balkanization and since spineless PL leaders aren’t willing to do it then SL can start and the rest will just leave once they know it’s possible and worthwhile.

If I ran for Presidency, you best believe, I would cut this we are all from the same clan crap. I know you are looking at from a domino effect angle, but I wish I had an ounce of care like you guys. Do you even see me investing in Somalia iyo Somaliland? Maya.

 

[Karim]

‘Just call’?

Illahay caqliga haku siyaadiyo sxb

You're either a newbie to Somali politics or ignorant of certain historical facts. Both Sharif and Farmajo offered their seats to Siilanyo and Biixi respectively.

 

[TheLand]

You're either a newbie to Somali politics or ignorant of certain historical facts. Both Sharif and Farmajo offered their seats to Siilanyo and Biixi respectively.

Not at all sxb, and i've heard this before. Unlike you I don't believe it in the slightest. This just further convinces me you are naive as I said before. Why would they ever give up a position that they worked to get in the first place? Please tell me what would be in it for them that we should believe they would give up a presidency. Sheeko Somali anigu madhageysto sxb.

 

[Karim]

Not at all sxb, and i've heard this before. Unlike you I don't believe it in the slightest. This just further convinces me you are naive as I said before. Why would they ever give up a position that they worked to get in the first place? Please tell me what would be in it for them that we should believe they would give up a presidency. Sheeko Somali anigu madhageysto sxb.

Testimonies of eye witnesses consisting of high level ministers and government workers are fake but your hunch is the truth . I'm done wasting my time responding to your diarrhea kid.

 

[TheLand]

Testimonies of eye witnesses consisting of high level ministers and government workers are fake but your hunch is the truth . I'm done wasting my time responding to your diarrhea kid.

Firstly, eye witness testimony is known to be notoriously unreliable. Second, if I told you I witnessed a parallel universe are you going to believe me? You lack the ability to apply logic. I chuckled at Somali ‘government ministers’ and ‘workers’ that you mentioned as if they aren’t former cab drivers and illiterate warlords. Do you think you are talking about European or Chinese ministers you sambac . You are exactly what I assumed you were. Wax baro lagaama karo. Fob jaahil.

 

[gasara]

Lol what a bizarre response. Thank you for proving my point.

reer ssc have been politically and economically sidelined for years, then the unsolved murders of more than a hundred communitymembers. They have no legitimacy in those lands it is what it is. In a sense SL is to non-isaaq clans what the FGS is to isaaq, utterly useless.

SL allowed these grievances to grow then responded with violence against unarmed protesters, how politically mature lol. Add the bizarre inflammatory rhethoric during the conflict to the mix, it’s a deeply unserious admin

you have no right to speak of ’rebels’ in lands that do not belong to you, you are far more alien and unwelcome than PLers in eastern Sool and Sanaag, sheekadas meel kale la tag.

Some of these people are brain dead. They complain about what Somalia did to them but look at what SL did to innocent people. And what I find so ironic is that this is what the diaspora kids are espousing. They get to live in the comforts of the west while inciting this rhetoric its nasty.

 

[Maakhri2024]

Don’t waste your time on Somalia. It is in utter shambles. Either SL develops (independently) or Mogadishu develops (with SL nominally). Both cannot happen imo.

This is you TheLander .

 

[TheLand]

This is you TheLander .

And?