Why I Now Support Somaliland Independence/Ictiraaf

[peterpeter]

I feel like you're having problems directly addressing my question of WHY they do deserve it?! You cannot possibly defend your argument by questioning the legitimacy of Somalia as a country because that's a fact beyond reasonable doubt according to the international LAW. Somalia was created on July 1st, 1960 and "landers" were fairly happy with the union as the blue flag was raised in Hargeisa on 26th of June, 1960. The creation of Somalia was legitimate and all uniting parties involved were pleased and content. Countries cannot be easily dismantled once ratified and created. Civil wars, economical, social problems happen all the time, it causes the deaths and starvation of millions, it doesn't mean that specific country needs to be broken into smaller pieces. The argument that says "We want to secede because Somalia is a shithole" is utterly moronic and illogical because many countries have experienced such tumultuous times and now doing better and progressing very well.

First off I agree with your overarching point, but that question 'deserve' is always vague I mean technically no deserves a state by right neither does Somalia or Ethiopia or Kenya but the reasoning for it is to build a state that protects the wishes supported by the people of those regions barring a few is also valid.

 

[peterpeter]

SL is like Siyad Barres regime, except much worse. You get all the negatives: political repression, militarization, dead private sector but with none of the positives: SAFETY , access to free (good) education and healthcare, development projects

to top it off those that govern your land have no decorum they’re publicly yelling qabil slurs (FAQASHHH) and making genocidal remarks kkkkk

all while demanding u stay loyal to their fictive state, yaaahuuu

I can't tell if this is supposed to be a serious post but Siad barre did all the things you mentioned and more his tenure as president led to the state disintegrating. Not a good look i cant lie

 

[TheLand]

I still think a vote would show that the majority are unionists.

SSC wasn’t founded to be either unionist or secessionist but rather for the people to be able to decide their own futures. All people deserve to be able to decide that.

 

[Throughbred]

the desperation of some people

 

[Karim]

The difference now is, I think they truly deserve it and it is unfair to deny it to them.

You need to be more clear about what your argument or counter argument is and stick to it. Here you are talking at first about whether SL is ‘deserving’ and then you conflate that somehow with international law. That makes no sense because if it’s an argument about international law then what does it matter whether a country is ‘deserving’? The law doesn’t care about that. You need to pick one and be less ambiguous.

Not sure if you forgot about your first post. You said "They truly deserve it".... My question is WHY THEY DO DESERVE IT?! My entire argument was addressing that statement.

 

[Ya.dhahay]

I can't tell if this is supposed to be a serious post but Siad barre did all the things you mentioned and more his tenure as president led to the state disintegrating. Not a good look i cant lie

lol he allowed grievances to grow and chose not to address them approprietly, when rebelgroups formed he responded with violence … endangering the lives of civilians .. Shelling important infrastructure .. like during the Lascanood conflict.

atleast I can mention all his political W’s, u can not do that with SL. They bring very little value to SSC

 

[peterpeter]

SSC wasn’t founded to be either unionist or secessionist but rather for the people to be able to decide their own futures. All people deserve to be able to decide that.

Exactly if they want to go their own then fine

Not sure if you forgot about your first post. You said "They truly deserve it".... My question is WHY THEY DO DESERVE IT?! My entire argument was addressing that statement.

the term deserve is vague i mean no deserves anything, laakin we had prior recognition before, fought a war for self presevation and won, formed our own political identity, also we dont have any representation in the wider somali government which means we should have our own state to protect our own interests

 

[rayxn3]

SSC wasn’t founded to be either unionist or secessionist but rather for the people to be able to decide their own futures. All people deserve to be able to decide that.

Right and the majority did not want to be apart of somaliland which is one of the reasons why protests took place. They lean more towards reunification idk why you guys deny that

 

[peterpeter]

lol he allowed grievances to grow and chose not to address them approprietly, when rebelgroups formed he responded with violence … endangering the lives of civilians .. Shelling important infrastructure .. like during the Lascanood conflict.

atleast I can mention all his political W’s, u can not do that with SL. They bring very little value to SSC

What w's please drop them I'm curious

 

[SilentE1001]

Right and the majority did not want to be apart of somaliland which is one of the reasons why protests took place. They lean more towards reunification idk why you guys deny that

Cool, the peace and stability since 2007 that made the city prosper means nothing then.

As without that people would've have gone back to invest even though they hate Somaliland.

All stoked by PL they didn't want a prosperous region as a neighbour they weren't in control off as they are the biggest benefactor. They wanted PL business to stop using Berbera port and and buy from business in Somaliland and used Tribalism to create this divide.

Anyone using the same propaganda talking points that was constantly shared on Twitter has failed at life and can't think critically and look at the bigger picture

 

[TheLand]

Not sure if you forgot about your first post. You said "They truly deserve it".... My question is WHY THEY DO DESERVE IT?! My entire argument was addressing that statement.

I’m just saying leave the legal part out of it. Countries can and have seceded legally before. In terms of why it’s deserving, of course this is all just opinion and not an objective truth but I believe all people deserve to be able to decide their futures. I’m not suggesting that anyone that doesn’t want to be part of SL has to. It can be only Isaaq lands for all I care, but they have shown a commitment to free and fair elections, peace and development which is in stark contrast to Somalia. Being independent would allow them to further develop and not be held back by a useless corrupt bunker government.

Again, what is your argument against it? That nobody can ever secede no matter how shitty a country is?

 

[peterpeter]

lol he allowed grievances to grow and chose not to address them approprietly, when rebelgroups formed he responded with violence … endangering the lives of civilians .. Shelling important infrastructure .. like during the Lascanood conflict.

atleast I can mention all his political W’s, u can not do that with SL. They bring very little value to SSC

• Somaliland has maintained peace and stability since 1991, avoiding the conflicts that have plagued Somalia.
• It has built functioning democratic institutions, with regular elections and peaceful transfers of power.
• Somaliland’s security forces have kept the region safe, unlike Somalia, which struggles with groups like Al-Shabaab.
• The economy is steadily growing, driven by the development of Berbera Port and a thriving livestock trade.
• Education and healthcare systems in Somaliland are improving, offering better services than those in Somalia.
• The strong Somali diaspora supports Somaliland through remittances and investments, boosting development.
• Peace and Stability: SSC could avoid the violence and insecurity common in Somalia.
• Economic Growth: Access to Berbera Port and infrastructure development could boost local trade and jobs.
• Better Services: Improved schools, universities, and healthcare facilities could raise living standards.
• Political Representation: SSC residents could participate in Somaliland’s elections and influence policies.
• Increased Investment: Stability in Somaliland attracts investors and international organizations, which could lead to further development in the SSC region.

SL has major catching up to do with the rest of the world but reading your posts they're just rambles siad was a shit ruler who created the worlds most famous failed state if SSC was smart theyd know who to join but feel free to cite your disagreements and please make them logical

 

[TheLand]

Cool, the peace and stability since 2007 that made the city prosper means nothing then.

As without that people would've have gone back to invest even though they hate Somaliland.

All stoked by PL they didn't want a prosperous region as a neighbour they weren't in control off as they are the biggest benefactor. They wanted PL business to stop using Berbera port and and buy from business in Somaliland and used Tribalism to create this divide

How did it prosper? Are you aware that Lascanood used to be part of Nugaal and was the capital of that gobol while Garowe was much smaller and underdeveloped? Now you can’t even compare Garowe and Lascanood. Few people had heard of Garowe even 10 years ago, look at it today and look at Lascanood. What development and prosperity did SL bring it? If anything it was held back like the rest of ‘eastern’ SL.

 

[SilentE1001]

• Somaliland has maintained peace and stability since 1991, avoiding the conflicts that have plagued Somalia.
• It has built functioning democratic institutions, with regular elections and peaceful transfers of power.
• Somaliland’s security forces have kept the region safe, unlike Somalia, which struggles with groups like Al-Shabaab.
• The economy is steadily growing, driven by the development of Berbera Port and a thriving livestock trade.
• Education and healthcare systems in Somaliland are improving, offering better services than those in Somalia.
• The strong Somali diaspora supports Somaliland through remittances and investments, boosting development.
• Peace and Stability: SSC could avoid the violence and insecurity common in Somalia.
• Economic Growth: Access to Berbera Port and infrastructure development could boost local trade and jobs.
• Better Services: Improved schools, universities, and healthcare facilities could raise living standards.
• Political Representation: SSC residents could participate in Somaliland’s elections and influence policies.
• Increased Investment: Stability in Somaliland attracts investors and international organizations, which could lead to further development in the SSC region.

SL has major catching up to do with the rest of the world but reading your posts they're just rambles siad was a shit ruler who created the worlds most famous failed state if SSC was smart theyd know who to join but feel free to cite your disagreements and please make them logical

Musa Bihi was the issue almost had the whole sool integrated fully with the Ainobo peace talk with Ali Khalif to open the constitution and have a sit down again with everyone.

Bihi essentially ripped it off

 

[peterpeter]

How did it prosper? Are you aware that Lascanood used to be part of Nugaal and was the capital of that gobol while Garowe was much smaller and underdeveloped? Now you can’t even compare Garowe and Lascanood. Few people had heard of Garowe even 10 years ago, look at it today and look at Lascanood. What development and prosperity did SL bring it? If anything it was held back like the rest of ‘eastern’ SL.

SSC for sure needs representation and the reasons you gave are correct but in fairness Garowe is allowed to thrive because its still a part of the wider somalia system and isn't plagued with buuq

 

[Throughbred]

 

[peterpeter]

Musa Bihi was the issue almost had the whole sool integrated fully with the Ainobo peace talk with Ali Khalif to open the constitution and have a sit down again with everyone.

Bihi essentially ripped it off

Agree he needed to go

 

[Throughbred]

 

[TheLand]

Right and the majority did not want to be apart of somaliland which is one of the reasons why protests took place. They lean more towards reunification idk why you guys deny that

I don’t think they care. What did ‘Somalia’ do for them when they were fighting? It was their Harti brothers that helped them. All they wanted and still want is the ability to rule themselves. You make it sound like they were fighting against Somalia being split apart.

 

[TheLand]

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