Why islam countries are dying.

[Sheikh Google]

i want the Islam during the prophet and the Islamic golden age

Then if you want that you cant turn around and criticise the salafs as they simplified follow the way of the prophet and the Rashidun. The islamic golden age itself was full of everyone calling the other kufr for bidah etc... from al ghazali to ibn sina. Islam is about faith and the oneness in god and trying to find science and place the scientific method on Islam is unfair.

 

[codewebsduh]

i want the Islam during the prophet and the Islamic golden age

You obviously don't know anything about Islamic history. The golden age was 2-3 hundreds year after the prophet, it coincided with centralizing a large land mass with a high population.

 

[CryptoSomali]

If you’re a Muslim kid growing up in the west, Islam becomes less appealing when you’re constantly being told that art, music and most forms of entertainment are haram.

It also becomes less appealing when you’re an adult and you have these crazed groups telling you that most Muslims are misguided innovators and that their particular sect is the correct one.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

You obviously don't know anything about Islamic history. The golden age was 2-3 hundreds year after the prophet, it coincided with centralizing a large land mass with a high population.

and which group do you think was responsible for this?

 

[codewebsduh]

and which group do you think was responsible for this?

Primarily Persian and Egyptians who had a long history of Scientific development. It was definitely not Somalis , that's for sure.

Furthermore this age was based around a belief in a different form of Islam, interestingly reinterpretation along an aristolean lense.

Regardless this "golden age" is overhyped, it was not suprising that a centralised state would inevitably cause development due to sheer probability as well as population growth inhibitors.

 

[Sheikh Google]

If you’re a Muslim kid growing up in the west, Islam becomes less appealing when you’re constantly being told that art, music and most forms of entertainment are haram.

It also becomes less appealing when you’re an adult and you have these crazed groups telling you that most Muslims are misguided innovators and that their particular sect is the correct one.

Exactly try telling a Gen z kid growing up today to give up those things and function in society, you only need to see the twitter somali incels hiding behind deen to put women down. Then you have the internet, no longer do you have ulema controlling the narrative when you have tafsirs/hadith etc all at your fingertips. There's a reason why Quranists and progressive Islam is more common than people like to think due to troubling hadith that can no longer be hidden away because of the internet.

 

[Muzaffer]

If you’re a Muslim kid growing up in the west, Islam becomes less appealing when you’re constantly being told that art, music and most forms of entertainment are haram.

It also becomes less appealing when you’re an adult and you have these crazed groups telling you that most Muslims are misguided innovators and that their particular sect is the correct one.

as the prophet say {The Jews were separated into seventy-one groups, all of them in Hell but one, and the Christians were divided into seventy-two groups, all of them in Hell, except one. This nation will split into seventy-three groups, all of them in Hell but one. Messenger of God who is the surviving band? He said: Whoever was like I am today and my companions).

 

[CryptoSomali]

Exactly try telling a Gen z kid growing up today to give up those things and function in society, you only need to see the twitter somali incels hiding behind deen to put women down. Then you have the internet, no longer do you have ulema controlling the narrative when you have tafsirs/hadith etc all at your fingertips. There's a reason why Quranists and progressive Islam is more common than people like to think due to troubling hadith that can no longer be hidden away because of the internet.

I agree that there are a lot of bizarre hadith that are hard to reconcile with. They cause 95% of the doubts and criticisms against Islam

 

[Muzaffer]

I agree that there are a lot of bizarre hadith that are hard to reconcile with. They cause 95% of the doubts and criticisms against Islam

That why we muslims have what's called science of hadith.

So we can filter these hadith and split between the strong and the weak and the fake.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Primarily Persian and Egyptians who had a long history of Scientific development. It was definitely not Somalis , that's for sure.

Furthermore this age was based around a belief in a different form of Islam, interestingly reinterpretation along an aristolean lense.

Regardless this "golden age" is overhyped, it was not suprising that a centralised state would inevitably cause development due to sheer probability as well as population growth inhibitors.

yes but who united the persians and egyptians into one empire?

 

[Sheikh Google]

That why we muslims have what's called science of hadith.

So we can filter these hadith and split between the strong and the weak and the fake.

You would be surprised how many troubling hadith fall under sahih. You missed the point even those cause doubts and some are not transferable to modern society.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Yes a society without science and art is finished

What art and science?
Since when did homosexuality become supported by both?
Science talks about sexual organs are for reproductuon and it distinguishes males and females.

Western values do not beleive in science.

 

[Muzaffer]

You would be surprised how many troubling hadith fall under sahih. You missed the point even those cause doubts and some are not transferable to modern society.

or maybe the are some people who call for the western version of Islam and want to purge any hadith that get in their way of what they call the way of enlightenment.

 

[ReerVanCadde]

what happened to the thumbs down emoticon? like legit i want to thumbs down everyone on here
clowns

 

[Celery]

It’s not really the religion that’s the problem. It’s the people of those countries. Colonization ended too quick and was a curse in disguise.

 

[Cerberus]

Title correction "Islamic Countries" not "Islam Countries"

 

[Macalin dheerow]

I honestly believe Islam will continue to die down if Islamic countries don’t progress and make they countries technologically advanced and fair for people.

Right now, we see the west offer their people free education, healthcare and other benefits. Their infrastructure is top notch. They can provide food for their people and water.

In contrast, muslim countries are backwards, even if they have money ( rich arab nations ). As a human, you must satisfy your basic needs; water, food, home and economic opportunities. As a muslim you see your country not offering anything close to what the West offers. You start doubting your country and eventually Islam.

Internet has exposed muslim countries and open the eyes of muslims. Its time for muslim countries to progress.

 

[Muzaffer]

I honestly believe Islam will continue to die down if Islamic countries don’t progress and make they countries technologically advanced and fair for people.

Right now, we see the west offer their people free education, healthcare and other benefits. Their infrastructure is top notch. They can provide food for their people and water.

In contrast, muslim countries are backwards, even if they have money ( rich arab nations ). As a human, you must satisfy your basic needs; water, food, home and economic opportunities. As a muslim you see your country not offering anything close to what the West offers. You start doubting your country and eventually Islam.

Internet has exposed muslim countries and open the eyes of muslims. Its time for muslim countries to progress.

well, Islam will never die because as prophet Muhammed said that allah send every 100 years people to raise the banner of Islam.

 

[Sheikh Google]

well, Islam will never die because as prophet Muhammed said that allah send every 100 years people to raise the banner of Islam.

and you wonder why the youth are leaving in their droves. Instead of trying to fix the issues, salafs just fall back to ambiguous or vague and not applicable hadiths/scriptures that just do not translate to the modern era.

 

[Xaruun]

as the prophet say {The Jews were separated into seventy-one groups, all of them in Hell but one, and the Christians were divided into seventy-two groups, all of them in Hell, except one. This nation will split into seventy-three groups, all of them in Hell but one. Messenger of God who is the surviving band? He said: Whoever was like I am today and my companions).

The vast majority of Muslims will be part of that one group.