Why islam countries are dying.

[bidenkulaha]

At the end of the day you have to accept that a lot of things we practiced in the times of the Prophet and also things within the Hadith are problematic for modern society. You are never convincing a whole society that sex slaves should be permissible, stoning for adultery or cutting hands of thieves etc. I have seen whole
Islamic lectures explaining why ISIS’s idea of sex slaves is different to Muhammad SAW’s. Why one is permissible to this day and the other is an innovation. I doubt this is an intellectually stimulating conversation for anyone who views their laws/society based in a common good for everyone.

So if we can’t agree on ruling with Islamic Sharia then the population is of course going to become more secular. And eventually lose their Islam. People pretend like Saudi Arabia and Iran are some remote Islamic version of sharia yet it is a mild version of it! They are actually liberalising. If even they are condemned by other Muslims here as ‘extremists’ and ‘repressive’ then it’s no surprise we have a crisis of identity within the ummah

 

[Muzaffer]

At the end of the day you have to accept that a lot of things we practiced in the times of the Prophet and also things within the Hadith are problematic for modern society. You are never convincing a whole society that sex slaves should be permissible, stoning for adultery or cutting hands of thieves etc. I have seen whole
Islamic lectures explaining why ISIS’s idea of sex slaves is different to the Muhammad SAW. Why one is permissible to this day and the other is an innovation. I doubt this is an intellectually stimulating conversation for anyone who views their laws/society based in a common good for everyone.

So if we can’t agree on ruling with Islamic Sharia then the population is of course going to become more secular. And eventually, lose their Islam.

the problem is Islam is being fought inside the Islamic community by imprisoning scholars and bringing the secular and the so-called modern Islam or logic Islam to the media.

it will reach a time when you do normal Islamic thing some people will think that you are extremely pious or extremely radical or backward.

the people of the first era of Islam are not better than us but its we who are sinking day by day.

 

[Sheikh Google]

At the end of the day you have to accept that a lot of things we practiced in the times of the Prophet and also things within the Hadith are problematic for modern society. You are never convincing a whole society that sex slaves should be permissible, stoning for adultery or cutting hands of thieves etc. I have seen whole
Islamic lectures explaining why ISIS’s idea of sex slaves is different to Muhammad SAW’s. Why one is permissible to this day and the other is an innovation. I doubt this is an intellectually stimulating conversation for anyone who views their laws/society based in a common good for everyone.

So if we can’t agree on ruling with Islamic Sharia then the population is of course going to become more secular. And eventually lose their Islam. People pretend like Saudi Arabia and Iran are some remote Islamic version of sharia yet it is a mild version of it! They are actually liberalising. If even they are condemned by other Muslims here as ‘extremists’ and ‘repressive’ then it’s no surprise we have a crisis of identity within the ummah

Wallahi you hit the nail on the head. I'm sorry but bidah is not thinking that problametic hadiths are an issue for modern society. Things that were ok in the 7 th century are not ok today. Otherwise you will alienate a whole generation who have these issues at their finger tip and when searching for answers find a dirac gang salaf telling them to turn of their brains and that they are going hell fire for even searching for answers.

 

[Sheikh Google]

the problem is Islam is being fought inside the Islamic community by imprisoning scholars and bringing the secular and the so-called modern Islam or logic Islam to the media.

it will reach a time when you do normal Islamic thing some people will think that you are extremely pious or extremely radical or backward.

the people of the first era of Islam are not better than us but its we who are sinking day by day.

I'm sorry but thats just nonsense. You only have to see the excuses used to justify child marriages back home by backwards ulema using problamatic hadiths. Not even using the brain given to them by Allah to research and understand that just because a girl has gone through her first period it does not mean her developmental and physiological anatomy is ready for intercourse and giving birth. Thats just me scratching the surface and not getting into the whole concubine issues of consent etc.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Wallahi you hit the nail on the head. I'm sorry but bidah is not thinking that problametic hadiths are an issue for modern society. Things that were ok in the 7 th century are not ok today. Otherwise you will alienate a whole generation who have these issues at their finger tip and when searching for answers find a dirac gang salaf telling them to turn of their brains and that they are going hell fire for even searching for answers.

I’m sure they’ll be someone along the way to say if you do not accept every problematic Hadith is fit for modern society it makes you kufr. As if that is helpful. You know even they avoid talking about the worst offending Hadiths because some of them are just outright not acceptable from nearly every non-Salafi Muslim.

I will never be ok with slaves, I will never be ok with stoning, I am against the death penalty because it is inhumane in this day and age. I don’t even support polygamy... But I still am deeply religious personally. I fall under the bracket of a lot of Muslims. Pushing them away because they don’t agree with these things being practiced today is just another way of turning our religion into a cult with zero rational thinking and one in which Muslims countries will never prosper.

 

[reer]

I’m sure they’ll be someone along the way to say if you do not accept every problematic Hadith is fit for modern society it makes you kufr. As if that is helpful. You know even they avoid talking about the worst offending Hadiths because some of them are just outright not acceptable from nearly every non-Salafi Muslim.

I will never be ok with slaves, I will never be ok with stoning, I am against the death penalty because it is inhumane in this day and age. I don’t even support polygamy... But I still am deeply religious personally. I fall under the bracket of a lot of Muslims. Pushing them away because they don’t agree with these things being practiced today is just another way of turning our religion into a cult with zero rational thinking and one in which Muslims countries will never prosper.

secular neoliberalism is in the process of falling flat on its face. throughout history most powerful empires were religious. byzantines romans abbasids umayyads persians lasted longer than the soviet union and american neo-colonialism.

 

[bidenkulaha]

secular neoliberalism is in the process of falling flat on its face. throughout history most powerful empires were religious. byzantines romans abbasids umayyads persians lasted longer than the soviet union and american neo-colonialism.

I haven’t even asked for a secular society! Just that I think our Islamic sharia probably shouldn’t resemble what it did 1000s of years ago. Especially when that would re-establish slavery...

And that secular neoliberalism you bash has overseen the greatest expansion of wealth and reduction in poverty the world has ever known. I’d rather live today or anytime in the future than a few hundreds years ago where 99% of the population were military conscripts, housewives, peasants, slaves etc. And I’m no fan of neoliberalism, socialism is the better system if it didn’t face the opposition of every media organisation, multinational corporation and politician bought by billionaires.

 

[Sheikh Google]

secular neoliberalism is in the process of falling flat on its face. throughout history most powerful empires were religious. byzantines romans abbasids umayyads persians lasted longer than the soviet union and american neo-colonialism.

I and many other people in the world don't care to live by standards practiced 1000 years ago. If that was the case we would still be living like peasants fighting each other and dying from non-factors and curable diseases. Stop pining for the past and realize society moves forward and we take the good and adapt it to make it better and bin the things that do not serve us anymore. The very fact you are posting freely on a forum and interacting with people of different opinions and able to do so freely is a testament to that.

 

[Muzaffer]

I and many other people in the world don't care to live by standards practiced 1000 years ago. If that was the case we would still be living like peasants fighting each other and dying from non-factors and curable diseases. Stop pining for the past and realize society moves forward and we take the good and adapt it to make it better and bin the things that do not serve us anymore. The very fact you are posting freely on a forum and interacting with people of different opinions and able to do so freely is a testament to that.

Islam is no choice. its orders from god, sharia law can be applied in any century even after 10000 years, because its made by god, not pathetic human.

 

[Sheikh Google]

Islam is no choice. its orders from god, sharia law can be applied in any century even after 10000 years, because its made by god, not pathetic human.

Ahh, the fabled Sharia law whereby one has to play the no true Scotsman fallacy to decided which Sharia law is the correct one. Even though a dive into the history of Islam will show how the components of Sharia law have changed and been adapted but no my sharia law is the best sharia law according to a salaf.

 

[Muzaffer]

Ahh, the fabled Sharia law whereby one has to play the no true Scotsman fallacy to decided which Sharia law is the correct one. Even though a dive into the history of Islam will show how the components of Sharia law have changed and been adapted but no my sharia law is the best sharia law according to a salaf.

well if you don't want sharia law it's your own problem.

but we have ayat and hadith which Allah order us to adopt his divine law to reach greatness and to win in Dunya and akhirah

 

[Arma]

Look at all these gaals

 

[Psychologist]

no, I want the prophet Islam, i want the Islam that had science in it and explain everything logically without this retarded Wahhabism

what islam is that? can i get sources?

 

[Jackflower30]

7th century beliefs are useless in our modern environment. Hadiths on washing yourself with an odd number of stones testify to that.

I expect a growth in irreligiousness in Muslims around the world culminating in a growth in a anti-theist philosophies within the Arab world.

Ofcourse Somalia where most people can't read will continue being a haven for religion.

You make no sense non of these hadith stop scientific progress the stones hadith is bout being ritually pure in islam which is irrelevant here.

 

[stophatingtho]

i want the Islam during the prophet and the Islamic golden age

 

[Liban89]

You make no sense non of these hadith stop scientific progress the stones hadith is bout being ritually pure in islam which is irrelevant here.

All ahadith pertaining to the penalty of stoning are nonsense.

 

[Jackflower30]

All ahadith pertaining to the penalty of stoning are nonsense.

But how do they stop scientific progress you only stone those who do adultery

 

[Liban89]

But how do they stop scientific progress you only stone those who do adultery

I am not about the scientific effect of ahadith, am just saying stoning narrations are all wrong. There is no stoning in islam

 

[Jackflower30]

I am not about the scientific effect of ahadith, am just saying stoning narrations are all wrong. There is no stoning in islam

It comes from sahih hadth you cannot ignore them based on your feelings

 

[Liban89]

It comes from sahih hadth you cannot ignore them based on your feelings

It has nothing to do with feelings sxb, all narrations have an error in them. Not a single rajm hadith is correct.