Will the self-declared state show East Africa how it’s done?

[Frazier]

Of course those foreign powers who are meddling in Somalia need to be sorted out first, which is why I have said that reconciliation between Somalia and Somaliland should take a back seat whilst we sort out more important problems. However, unity must be discussed once the priorities are sorted out.

Oooh so you admit that Somali is already a compromised project that is infested with foreign powers and their proxies. Than how come you earlier said:

You need to realise that SLanders have been taught by villainous and corrupt politicians to hate their southern brethren, so why do you think SL and Somalia will be allies once SL gets recognition? The answer to that question is that they will not be allies, they will be rivals trying to dominate the Horn. Whenever there will be a dispute between, Somalia and Somaliland, Ethiopia shall side with Somaliland, because they want to further break apart the unity of the Somali people. Foreigners like they, are the ones who will benefit from this, their ultimate goal is to become hegemon of the Horn.

This type of unity is impossible for Somalia, that unity is a weak one, the slightest disagreement and it will collapse. Just look at Brexit, look a the far right parties trying to dominate European politics, Somali don't need weak unity. We need a strong one, a united country, so everyone will enjoy the fruits of development.

Basically, you admitted on your own words that a Somali-Somali state cooperation is impossible! but equally autonomous federal states answering back to foreign powers are somehow acceptable and should be fixed up.


On the same token, Somali and Somaliland relations can also be warmed and develop as TWO sovereign states!


What u say?

 

[Frazier]

Yes, but again the government can get rid of the 4.5 system. 1 man 1 vote is possible to implement.

Sxb you are the one who is undoubtedly suffering from "Muh Qabiil" Syndrome.

Nah I single handheldly destroyed your illogical arguments and forced you to bow down and eat up own word.

All your arguments go down to "We'll fix our muh qabiil"

Pathetic and coward cop-out.

 

[Gambar]

The biggest nacas on Sspot is this guy. He has no creative bone in his body. We could be discussing quantum physics in SL and he will come in with “Muh Qabiil” nonsense.

Ok we get it you don’t consider SL independent nation but fed state. Now let people intelligently discuss.

He’s not just a nacas, he’s so corny with his stupid muh qabiil shidh. Now more than ever he should focus on Mogadishu.

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

I planned to debate this later but go ahead and bring it on!

what do you have against SL becoming its own country and I'll shoot you down with any direct comparison to Somalia. Militarily, economically, politically, your argument hold no water.

I don't need to do that. How can you compare a so called country that has isolated itself from the rest of Somalia by "Muh Qabiil" Syndrome to a country that has suffered from civil war and terrorist attacks. That is a complete disadvantage.

What you need to look at is the simple fact that we Somalis are the same, same language, culture and religion. It is common sense that we unite to form one strong nation. SL was created out of the mists of the civil war, and MSB's dictatorship. You people have called for independence because of "Muh Qabiil" was massacred when in actual fact many qabiils were massacred. It doesn't make sense that only ONE of those many clans should get independence.

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

Nah I single handheldly destroyed your illogical arguments and forced you to bow down and eat up own word.

All your arguments go down to "We'll fix our muh qabiil"

Pathetic and coward cop-out.

When did I say that?

It seems that you are the coward, cowardice is also a symptom of "Muh Qabiil" Syndrome.

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

He’s not just a nacas, he’s so corny with his stupid muh qabiil shidh. Now more than ever he should focus on Mogadishu.

The funny thing is I have defended and thought of ways to improve the situation of Mogadishu, but again you seem to turn a blind eye to that.

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

Obviously you will move it into a stable Somali town with track record on security and homogeneous population. I could think of no better than Garow.


But of coure its a wishfull thinking for muh qabiil duped masses of south Somalia and their fanatic apposition for a peaceful resolution to Somali's deadlock

Why can't you do all that with Mogadishu?

 

[Frazier]

When did I say that?

so why do you think SL and Somalia will be allies once SL gets recognition? The answer to that question is that they will not be allies, they will be rivals trying to dominate the Horn. Whenever there will be a dispute between, Somalia and Somaliland, Ethiopia shall side with Somaliland, because they want to further break apart the unity of the Somali people

Of course those foreign powers who are meddling in Somalia need to be sorted out first, which is why I have said that reconciliation between Somalia and Somaliland should take a back seat whilst we sort out more important problems. However, unity must be discussed once the priorities are sorted out.

Its simple really.

Somalia and Somaliland cannot be allies because of Ethiopia,


Somali federal state cannot be allies within same country because of Ethiopia.


And vice versa.

 

[DRACO]

i am now fully convinced merchantOfM is a blind mad man! i pray Allah cures him Inshallah!

 

[Frazier]

Why can't you do all that with Mogadishu?

You tell me why Mogadishu wasn't stabilized in 10 years with 20k African soldiers and internationally funded SNA force?

 

[Frazier]

i am now fully convinced merchantOfM is a blind mad man! i pray Allah cures him Inshallah!

Nah he just acts like clueless puppy after losing argument. Sad and pathetic.

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

Somalia and Somaliland cannot be allies because of Ethiopia,

The exact point that I was trying to make before, so what are you talking about? Of course that's going to happen when Ethiopia is going to side with Somaliland so they can further destabilise Somalis. But that won't be possible with a strong unified nation that can stand on its own two feet.

Somali federal state cannot be allies within same country because of Ethiopia.

Allies within same country? That isn't feasible however, are certainly trying their best to divide Somalis, so first we must sort that out.

Again, why are you mentioning these points, they are well known already.

You tell me why Mogadishu wasn't stabilized in 10 years with 20k African soldiers and internationally funded SNA force?

That's because those AU soldiers are absolutely pathetic and incompetent along with an equally pathetic and incompetent SNA filled with corruption along with an arms embargo.

SNA needs to be completely overhauled to be able to stand a chance against Al Shabaab.

Nah he just acts like clueless puppy after losing argument. Sad and pathetic.

Lost the argument?

Hold your horses there sxb, I haven't conceded defeat.

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

i am now fully convinced merchantOfM is a blind mad man! i pray Allah cures him Inshallah!

I will also pray to Allah that you be cured of "Muh Qabiil" Syndrome, Insha'Allah.

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

Oooh so you admit that Somali is already a compromised project that is infested with foreign powers and their proxies. Than how come you earlier said:

How on earth does that even correlate to what I have said. I have never ever said that Somalia is a failed project. It needs fixing of course, but it is NOT a failed project. It can still be successful.

Basically, you admitted on your own words that a Somali-Somali state cooperation is impossible! but equally autonomous federal states answering back to foreign powers are somehow acceptable and should be fixed up.

No! I never said that, why are you so blind to the truth?

I said ONCE SL GETS INDPENDECNCE co operation will be near impossible due to foreign meddling. However, if its one strong nation, then that wont happen.

When did I say federal states answering back to foreign powers was ever acceptable??????

Why are you twisting my words?

Is it a sign, that you have nothing worth to say, thus, conceding defeat?

 

[Frazier]

The exact point that I was trying to make before, so what are you talking about? Of course that's going to happen when Ethiopia is going to side with Somaliland so they can further destabilise Somalis. But that won't be possible with a strong unified nation that can stand on its own two feet.



Allies within same country? That isn't feasible however, are certainly trying their best to divide Somalis, so first we must sort that out.

Again, why are you mentioning these points, they are well known already.

Becuase you are playing fool and pretend to not see the error in your way of thinking which is why I brought them up and use it against you. Expect us to hold you on the same standards you uphold on us . Practice what you preach or you will be called out and humiliated again.


If for whatever reason, Somalia and Somaliland, can't be allies as sovereign states due to foreign intervention, then common sense dictates autonomous federal states can not also be allies with one another or line up under central government, because in one way or another, they all answer to foreign powers and operate independently. Somalia has several "presidents"

Explain how a strong unified Somalia is possible when every federal state is grant free rein dealing with Ethiopia and Kenya without the consent of SFG? Exactly you can't.



More importantly, how in hell do you blame AMISOM on your own incompetency? That is a self evident on the feasibility of Somali-Somali cooperation, you can't even clean up your own mess in 1 city state and place the blame squarely on AMISOM, how you goon supposedly "unite" Somalia? That's like learning to run before walk.

It is not difficult to secure Mogadishu, the lack of will and inattentive is what constitutes the greatest obstacle to security. It takes one look to recent bomb that killed 300 people and was driven by local to just realize how out of touch and delusional you are to the realities on the ground.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Thanks for the insults, I know you are suffering but "Muh Qabiil" Syndrome can be cured.


Refuted? when have you refuted my points? Why don't you stop being a brain dead and try to refute the points I'm making instead of the insults.

Can you bring anything other than "muhqabiil"? It's neither funny nor original.

Somaliland today is doing better than under any administration southern or otherwise. It is about to have another free and fair election and a peaceful transfer of power. It is undergoing economic and infrastructure development with no AID or loans. It will soon increase it's export and import capacity with the development of Berbera port, something the southern administration has tried to stop unsuccessfully many times. It's population has a democratic and representative government that takes it's concerns seriously. It's elders are respected and the clan elders have a positive input in the peace within the country. Unlike the south where the elders are used for target practice or turned into barbecue meat by alshabab. Why would we give up all that? For what, for braindead Southerners and Buuqlanders who can't even stop killing eachother? Pull the other one.

 

[Frazier]

How on earth does that even correlate to what I have said. I have never ever said that Somalia is a failed project. It needs fixing of course, but it is NOT a failed project. It can still be successful.





No! I never said that, why are you so blind to the truth?

I said ONCE SL GETS INDPENDECNCE co operation will be near impossible due to foreign meddling. However, if its one strong nation, then that wont happen.

When did I say federal states answering back to foreign powers was ever acceptable??????

Why are you twisting my words?

I'm not twisting your word, just using them against you.

When confronted with the reality of deeply divided federal states in the orbits of Ethiopia and Kenya, you accept the statues quo and try to find a solution.


Of course those foreign powers who are meddling in Somalia need to be sorted out first



But when foreign powers meddle in Somalia and Somaliland diplomatic relations, you tap out and raise the white flag.


so why do you think SL and Somalia will be allies once SL gets recognition? The answer to that question is that they will not be allies, they will be rivals trying to dominate the Horn. Whenever there will be a dispute between, Somalia and Somaliland, Ethiopia shall side with Somaliland, because they want to further break apart the unity of the Somali people.


Flash news Somali unity has been already compromised. Not my fault you are oblivious to whats going around and rather to play kumbaya and dance around.


If you really cared about Somali cooperation you will also find way for closer relations with SL but I'm afraid Muh Qabiil is deeply rooted inside you to see that

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

Becuase you are playing fool and pretend to not see the error in your way of thinking which is why I brought them up and use it against you. Expect us to hold you on the same standards you uphold on us . Practice what you preach or you will be called out and humiliated again.

What humiliation?

I always have practiced what I preach. I preach anti qabyaalad and I practice anti qabyaalad. You on the other hand suffer from "Muh Qabiil" Syndrome.

If for whatever reason, Somalia and Somaliland, can't be allies as sovereign states due to foreign intervention, then common sense dictates autonomous federal states can not also be allies with one another or line up under central government, because in one way or another, they all answer to foreign powers and operate independently. Somalia has several "presidents"

Explain how a strong unified Somalia is possible when every federal state is grant free rein dealing with Ethiopia and Kenya without the consent of SFG? Exactly you can't.

Well the simple answer, which you fail to understand is that again Somalia is not at the point where you can say that it is strong. When it is strong and stable and still has these problems, then you can say "oh unity is not feasible". The problem is, unity has not been achieved yet due to foreign powers meddling in federal states. You cannot put the cart before the horse.

More importantly, how in hell do you blame AMISOM on your own incompetency? That is a self evident on the feasibility of Somali-Somali cooperation, you can't even clean up your own mess in 1 city state and place the blame squarely on AMISOM, how you goon supposedly "unite" Somalia? That's like learning to run before walk.

It is not difficult to secure Mogadishu, the lack of will and inattentive is what constitutes the greatest obstacle to security. It takes one look to recent bomb that killed 300 people and was driven by local to just realize how out of touch and delusional you are to the realities on the ground.

Have you not seen how many times AMISOM camps and bases have been raided by Al Shabaab?

Have you seen the amount of times they fucked up in their operations?

Why on earth do you think I'm saying we should unite with Somaliland first? I have never said that. First the unity comes with the federal states, then we unite with Somaliland. You need to understand that before anything else.

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

But when foreign powers meddle in Somalia and Somaliland diplomatic relations, you tap out and raise the white flag.

Again, evidence that I have "raised the white flag?"

Flash news Somali unity has been already compromised. Not my fault you are oblivious to whats going around and rather to play kumbaya and dance around.

Wait a sec, you really do think Somali unity is compromised? Well let me tell you that it is not compromised, because if it was the country called Somalia, would not exist today, in any shape or form?

Somali unity has been destabilised, with a strong government and no foreign meddling in our internal affairs, Somali unity can be fixed.

 

[mrcool]

Somalia could learn from Somaliland