Winning Traits of White People

[Basra]

Being obedient to laws is fine, but being overly obedient to your boss is beyond retarded. You'll end up with a country like America or Japan, entire populations slaving away most of their lives to make the ones benefiting from your labor even richer.

what about birds fascinates u?

 

[VixR]

So you don't think cultural traits such as the protestant work ethic had anything to do with the extraordinary success of northern whites?

Everything you just listed dovetails off the cultural characteristics I just listed, does it not?

If I could pick one trait I would associate with White people with in abundance, it’s adventure.

They go to the most obscure places in the world just to collect knowledge, and I see something of this in everyday White people.

I don’t think if you went back to pre-colonial era Whites, you’d find much of those traits you listed in abundance. I think the bulletpoints you made are characteristics that became important as products of their civilization, and not due to their inherent nature.

It took a long time for intellectualism and professionalism, and all that to become the culture, and as you mentioned it isn’t the culture in all their groups, despite being beneficiaries.

 

[Apollo]

5. Tolerant and cosmopolitan

Northern whites are tolerant of other races, ethnic groups, religions, and unusual lifestyle practices. They have adopted a 'live and let live' type mentality that does not interfere with other people unless those people are harming the collective somehow. All people are welcome to live among them with minimal discrimination or legal harassment.

In contrast, Somalis are extremely xenophobic, culturally chauvinistic, and intolerant. A plurality of Somalis oppose the construction of churches, the consumption of alcohol, and the presence of sizable foreign communities in Somalia. But what they fail to realize is, without tolerance and a cosmopolitan attitude, nobody will invest in their poor desert state.

This point is very misleading and only looks at things from a recentist perspective.

Before the 1970s there were barely any non-whites in the West (excluding natives like Amerindians/Australian Aborigines & descendants of slaves). Countries like Australia even banned non-white immigration outright until recently.

Whites used to be extremely xenophobic in the past. Only in the past 50 years did they become cosmopolitan and nobody knows how long it will last. Rightwing xenophobic populists like Trump etc are rising all over the West. Most whites vote for such parties. Tolerant political forces like the left-wing heavily rely on the non-white vote.

 

[911]

It is not genetic, it is cultural (Western civilization + free markets = success).

If anything, Northeast Asians, Ashkenazi Jews, South Asian Brahmins have the highest IQs, not regular white people.

White people from Northern European countries are much superior to Asians. Culturally of course. Asians might have higher IQ but they lack many other things. For example emotion or ambition. They are working drones. They also copied inventions from whites to build their societies. Imagine copying someone who has a lower IQ than you.

 

[TheAnswer]

This point is very misleading and only looks at things from a recentist perspective.

Before the 1970s there were barely any non-whites in the West and countries like Australia even banned non-white immigration outright until recently.

Whites used to be extremely xenophobic in the past. Only in the past 50 years did they become cosmopolitan and nobody knows how long it will last. Rightwing xenophobic populists like Trump etc are rising all over the West.

Tolerance of ethnic and racial minorities is more recent, yes, but tolerance in general has a centuries long tradition in the West. The Dutch, for example, have had freedom of conscience enshrined in their constitution since seventeenth century. Some of the American founding fathers, when also enshrining freedom of religion in the U.S constitution, specifically mentioned Islam as deserving equality with Christianity under the law....and yet in the 21st century, there is no church in Saudi Arabia.

 

[saredochani10]

A lot of the most capable Somalis in the diaspora are making a similar decision, joking aside. If the bulk of one's birth society is not only deeply backward, but also in denial about it and also reactionary, the logical next step is to integrate into a better society, which the globalizing world is making very seamless, especially for those who are English language fluent and western passport holders. Let our former countrymen burn in the cultural hell they've created for themselves, am I right?

Somalis in the diaspora could have improved things over there if we had security. If there was the slightest chance for Somalia to move forward and Somalis willing to work hard I would have gone back and contribute.

 

[TheAnswer]

If I could pick one trait I would associate with White people with in abundance, it’s adventure.

They go to the most obscure places in the world just to collect knowledge, and I see something of this in everyday White people.

I don’t think if you went back to pre-colonial era Whites, you’d find much of those traits you listed in abundance. I think the bulletpoints you made are characteristics that became important as products of their civilization, and not due to their inherent nature.

It took a long time for intellectualism and professionalism, and all that to become the culture, and as you mentioned it isn’t the culture in all their groups, despite being beneficiaries.

I don't know what you are talking about. Being adventurous/nomadic is also a Somali trait but yet Somalis remain extremely backward. It's the adventurousness COMBINED WITH the northern white cultural dispositions toward hard-work, knowledge seeking, and institution-building that resulted in their success. Somalis have the adventure part down, but the rest is zilch.

 

[Basra]

If people NEED to be religious, protestantism esp tame ones like Episcopalian is ideal.
Reactionary Islam is by far the worst religious belief system when it comes to constructing a modern technological society. The Saudis are only just now realizing this, which is why MBS is cracking down on the wahabis there (at least a little bit). The Gulf Arabs have their oil wealth to smooth over reactionary Islam's worst parts, but Somalis don't even have that.

Catholicism and Islam are alike in being strict. Modernity/Democracy and Strict dogmatic religions dont work together


PS MBS or Saudia does not have a democracy

 

[911]

Let us be a bit more nuanced. Northern whites from middle and upper class backgrounds are culturally superior. Not biologically, culturally. No other culture combines as many virtuous elements. Somalis need to start adopting from this culture instead of the backward culture of the lizard eating, desert dwelling foul Bedouins of Arabia who have always been among the dumbest people on the planet

I agree. Arabs are extremely backwards. Even Arabs don’t want to be arab anymore. They are distancing themselves from the ‘Arab’ label since they know arabnimo will get them nowhere. They are now referring to themselves as Phoenicians, Amazigh, Africans(Sudanis), Mesopotamians. Claiming ancient dead civilisations just to distance themselves from the arab label.

 

[TheAnswer]

I agree. Arabs are extremely backwards. Even Arabs don’t want to be arab anymore. They are distancing themselves from the ‘Arab’ label since they know arabnimo will get them nowhere. They are now referring to themselves as Phoenicians, Amazigh, Africans(Sudanis), Mesopotamians. Claiming ancient dead civilisations just to distance themselves from the arab label.

At the same time we have Somalis giving their children Arab names and walking around western cities in ridiculous, environmentally inappropriate Arab robes...and yet these people wonder why they are failing everywhere

 

[Basra]

At the same time we have Somalis giving their children Arab names and walking around western cities in ridiculous, environmentally inappropriate Arab robes...and yet these people wonder why they are failing everywhere

Hold on there. U have to distinguish the arab language and the arab people. its okey to give kids arab names. The language has been praised by God in the Quran. lol

 

[VixR]

I don't know what you are talking about. Being adventurous/nomadic is also a Somali trait but yet Somalis remain extremely backward. It's the adventurousness COMBINED WITH the northern white cultural dispositions toward hard-work, knowledge seeking, and institution-building that resulted in their success. Somalis have the adventure part down, but the rest is zilch.

Nomadism isn’t adventure. They’re being forced to move.

No, it was adventurousness COMBINED WITH the right tools at the right time. I think if most other groups had the weapons and other technology that put them in a unique position at the time, they would’ve kept to their bordering lands, instead of colonizing the world.

White people risked disease, death and destruction traversing oceans willfully and repeatedly. Most of the shipwrecks, sea deaths, and even documentation we have on how societies form from scratch are based on White shipwrecks.

 

[Apollo]

Tolerance of ethnic and racial minorities is more recent, yes, but tolerance in general has a centuries long tradition in the West. The Dutch, for example, have had freedom of conscience enshrined in their constitution since seventeenth century. Some of the American founding fathers, when also enshrining freedom of religion in the U.S constitution, specifically mentioned Islam as deserving equality with Christianity under the law....and yet in the 21st century, there is no church in Saudi Arabia.

That religious tolerance was only for Jews and Christians. They wanted to stop Christian infighting between Protestants and Catholics. They used to slaughter each other like Shias and Sunnis do in Iraq.

The US prevented the migration of Muslims for a very long time through other underhand methods so they never became a threat in the past and that religious freedom never was truly tested.

Now that they are a demographic issue, look at the response: Trump's attempt at a Muslim Travel Ban, many anti-Muslim parties in Europe etc.

 

[Basra]

Nomadism isn’t adventure. They’re being forced to move.


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[Sakiin]

Smh

We have quite a few Uncle Tom's in the house.

 

[Basra]

Smh

We have quite a few Uncle Tom's in the house.

 

[TheAnswer]

Nomadism isn’t adventure. They’re being forced to move.

No, it was adventurousness COMBINED WITH the right tools at the right time. I think if most other groups had the weapons and other technology that put them in a unique position at the time, they would’ve kept to their bordering lands, instead of colonizing the world.

White people risked disease, death and destruction traversing oceans willfully and repeatedly. Most of the shipwrecks, sea deaths, and even documentation we have on how societies form from scratch are based on White shipwrecks.

Do you think those "right tools" just fell out of the air? Clearly developing those tools results from the cultural traits I mentioned, e.g. work ethic/focus on knowledge.

 

[TheAnswer]

That religious tolerance was only for Jews and Christians. They wanted to stop Christian infighting between Protestants and Catholics. They used to slaughter each other like Shias and Sunnis do in Iraq.

The US prevented the migration of Muslims for a very long time through other underhand methods so they never became a threat in the past and that religious freedom never was truly tested.

Now that they are a demographic issue, look at the response: Trump's attempt at a Muslim Travel Ban, many anti-Muslim parties in Europe etc.

I'm not sure what the utility of reciting historical exclusions is. If anything, it only highlights the laudable progressive nature of white northerners that every few decades new groups are embraced and protected by the tolerant and cosmopolitan culture, unlike Somalis who are today as xenophobic as they were a thousand years ago


also, Trump represents a coalition of low class whites. southern whites, and other backward groups that are not really part of the cultural groups i am discussing

 

[Apollo]

I'm not sure what the utility of reciting historical exclusions is. If anything, it only highlights the laudable progressive nature of white northerners that every few decades new groups are embraced and protected by the tolerant and cosmopolitan culture, unlike Somalis who are today as xenophobic as they were a thousand years ago

Jews made them tolerant. They didn't do it themselves.

Jews were heavily behind civil rights legislation and opening up the West to global immigration (both in America and Europe).

The real ethnicity to look up to are Ashkenazi Jews, not these goyim.

 

[Basra]

I'm not sure what the utility of reciting historical exclusions is. If anything, it only highlights the laudable progressive nature of white northerners that every few decades new groups are embraced and protected by the tolerant and cosmopolitan culture, unlike Somalis who are today as xenophobic as they were a thousand years ago


also, Trump represents a coalition of low class whites. southern whites, and other backward groups that are not really part of the cultural groups i am discussing

Trump represents the elite Rich whites. They even think other middle class Whites as a specie to be get ridden of!