This is sad. But I don't get it, it seems she wasn't calling for help as you would expect someone who is fighting for their life judging by how people are walking around her. People could assume she was just swimming and not paying attention.
Woman ignored by men as she drowns in a pool
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Looks like she was under cardiac arrest hence she didn’t yell for help
SomaliSteel
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Accidental drownings are common. Nothing to do with gender. Never swim without others or a lifeguard.
I don't think the point is about protection. Rather about David someone's life. In Islam it's encouraged to save people.
"And whoever saves a life it is as though he had saved the lives of all mankind" (5:32).
I was responding to the tiktok user. you should listen to what the tiktok user was saying and then weigh in on my response. otherwise you're just seeing what I said out of context.
Yaraye
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There were no women in the swimming pool. The people around her just happened to be men. This issue isn't even about men vs women. It about how callous and cold bone chilling humans have become. Now, many have argued that it is possible that she was struggling silently, therefore the men around her didn't know. That's a valid point. However there was that guy that climbed down the stairs and walked right past her. What excuse does he have? We also need to take into consideration that the gym/location tried to hide the tape. Someone also needs to upload the audio, wallahi. The fact is all humans have become callous in the past several years, subxanallah.
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You’re assuming these random men were purposefully neglecting her which isn’t the case because even staff did not notice her which makes me think she didn’t make any noise at all (hard to tell since there’s no audio) and she didn’t make any drowning motions. Any normal person would have assisted her if they saw her drowning or heard her screaming for help (granted water hasn’t entered her lungs yet).
I said earlier it’s likely she suffered from some kind of medical issue and I found an article co-signing the coroners report, apparently she suffered from some kind of heart issue which could be what made her motionless and unable to talk, this is proven by the coroner after her death in this article
Drowning at Las Vegas gym pool caught on camera — VIDEO
A video of a drowning incident that took place at Las Vegas Athletic Club pool which is at the center of dispute over lifeguards at gym pools has been released.
www.reviewjournal.com
Usually in cases like this evidence isn’t made public until after sometime, the gym didn’t try to hide it, they were probably just under legal obligation not to do anything like spreading the video and what not until everything’s understood.
Abu Hesi
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have you seen people texting or using their phone while crossing the street on a green light? People don't pay attention anymore; the guy at the stairs should have asked the lady what she was doing or maybe even tell management that this lady was blocking the entry to the pool.
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If the patriarchy is the only thing stopping you from saving a drowning woman then there is something clearly flawed in your morality.
Same way a nihilist doesn’t need objective morality to save a drowning woman you shouldn’t need a patriarchal system to tell you to save a woman from death. It should be innate goodness.
Omar have a bit of shame.
Helping someone is based on humanity.
If I was to see a struggling woman, I a woman would help.
If I was to see a struggling child, I a woman would help.
Question: If you saw a man drowning, would you not help?
What you’re peddling is individualism a Western concept and you’re doing it under the guise of fighting ‘feminism’ but all you’re doing is showing how illogical you are. Stuff like this would never happen in a traditional society. Back home, if someone saw a woman drown both men and women would help. If a man saw another man drown, other men would help. This is common humanity that is becoming devoid in Western social due to extreme individualism and the fact that you’re okay with his betrays your Westernization
Husbands might be the protectors of wives, but husbands are human so can’t be everywhere at the same time. There are times when your wife will be alone or not with you. I wonder how you’d feel if your wife is taking the kids to school and an Islamaphobic man tried to beat her and the kids up whilst you’re at work and Muslim men watched it all happen.
You might hate feminism, but your attitude pushes women to it if this is the type of mentality that we have floating around.
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honestly, did you even listen to what I was responding to before you paint me as a shameless monster? I am not saying don't help some random woman. But I am saying that the benevolence of random strangers should not be counted on. if you read my post and made a judgement without listening to the tiktok commentary I was responding to, then you were reading my post out of context.
no I'm not. not any of that.
what I'm saying is not that I'd be ok with strangers not helping the random woman- but that I have low expectations of strangers. I've known since I was a kid that I don't live in a Disney movie and I don't think that makes me a bad person or is anything immoral.
they're responsible for their own deeds.
That’s due to individualism. A collective society isn’t like this and it’s a by-product of living in the West. It truly is. You wouldn’t reason like this if you were raised in a more trad society or lived in the past.
Back home, if someone was to see a drowning person, male or female and there are many people around, 90% would try to help regardless of gender. Why? Because of people’s value system.
The West is increasingly becoming an egomaniacal society in which people are becoming devoid of Humanity. There is now no sense of community, no sense of society, it is a bleak robotic world in which it’s every man for themselves. That is the antithesis of what it means to be human.
This is despicable. For context I used to swim regularly so I know which parts of pools are shallow & which ends are deep. This woman made her way down to the shallow end where anyone who can use 2 arms could’ve easily helped her but instead she’s left for dead and by anyone I mean even children aged 11 and above. It would’ve been that easy.
How do you see someone struggling in such a easy part of the pool to navigate & not assume something was up? And where was the lifeguard?
Ridiculous. Individualist society summed up in 1 video
How do you see someone struggling in such a easy part of the pool to navigate & not assume something was up? And where was the lifeguard?
Ridiculous. Individualist society summed up in 1 video@Omar del Sur
When my parents talk about growing up in Somalia in the 60s and 70s and even 80s, what struck me the most is the sense of community.
The area would be so safe and that people wouldn’t even close their doors during the day and you’d have neighbors, relatives and the like coming in and out. Everyone would be outside sitting in their patio and my grandmother would cook outside with all the other mothers who were her neighbors. If a family didn’t have food, the people in the area would give them food. If someone ran out of food items like sugar and they need it quickly they’d come to your house and ask for a bit of sugar. Kids as young as 3 would play outside by themselves with no issue since the whole community will help you watch that child. My parents talk of random kids of neighbors eating with them if they were in the house and they’ll all eat together eating from one massive plate. People didn’t care, they’d feed a random kid who’s tagged along with their kids with no questions asked.
If you were up to no good, you’d have a random person in the area scolding you and snitching to your parents. If someone was in danger, the whole community would try and intervene and help. That is how traditional and collective societies are. I’m not saying it’s perfect since that level of collectivism does have its negatives, like extreme judgement and an inability to accept people’s differences, but the positives is that growing up in such an environment feels truly liberating, a place of true human connections as you have a robust support system and a feeling of belonging. That’s why my parents generation are stronger mentally, have better social skills and confidence for days.
It’s kinda still like that at back home now but more toned down.
When my parents talk about growing up in Somalia in the 60s and 70s and even 80s, what struck me the most is the sense of community.
The area would be so safe and that people wouldn’t even close their doors during the day and you’d have neighbors, relatives and the like coming in and out. Everyone would be outside sitting in their patio and my grandmother would cook outside with all the other mothers who were her neighbors. If a family didn’t have food, the people in the area would give them food. If someone ran out of food items like sugar and they need it quickly they’d come to your house and ask for a bit of sugar. Kids as young as 3 would play outside by themselves with no issue since the whole community will help you watch that child. My parents talk of random kids of neighbors eating with them if they were in the house and they’ll all eat together eating from one massive plate. People didn’t care, they’d feed a random kid who’s tagged along with their kids with no questions asked.
If you were up to no good, you’d have a random person in the area scolding you and snitching to your parents. If someone was in danger, the whole community would try and intervene and help. That is how traditional and collective societies are. I’m not saying it’s perfect since that level of collectivism does have its negatives, like extreme judgement and an inability to accept people’s differences, but the positives is that growing up in such an environment feels truly liberating, a place of true human connections as you have a robust support system and a feeling of belonging. That’s why my parents generation are stronger mentally, have better social skills and confidence for days.
It’s kinda still like that at back home now but more toned down.
KinsiHilaac
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Same men that call themselves protectors BHAHAHAHAThis is crazy. She was actively struggling, I just don't understand why no one helped at all. Especially the man that walked right next to her
The crazy greedy entitlement of modern feminist females is astonishing.
In general because of feminism no man should help a random woman that might cause any slightest of risk to his safety and life, he should only help if there absolutely zero risk to his life and safety. Before feminism you had traditionalism and chivalry where the man should be the protector of not only women that he's close to but women in society at large and should take a risk trying to protect if they're in danger, those were the values back then in The West but not anymore thanks to feminism and big government. .
In general because of feminism no man should help a random woman that might cause any slightest of risk to his safety and life, he should only help if there absolutely zero risk to his life and safety. Before feminism you had traditionalism and chivalry where the man should be the protector of not only women that he's close to but women in society at large and should take a risk trying to protect if they're in danger, those were the values back then in The West but not anymore thanks to feminism and big government. .
The guy on his phone wearing the grey top definitely sees her lifeless body and keeps on walking. What a heartless guy.
