Word of advice (let SL go its seperate way)

[Abdisamad]

I suggest we let Somaliland go their seperate way, the rest of Somalia can do fine without SL.. But this comes with a condition which means before Somalia signs any seperation papers we will need to hold a referredum in Awdal, if majority vote to remain unified with Somalia then we can include them as part of Somalia another is issue is the SSC region which the seccesionists claim to have enhirated from the English colony, before Somalia signs any seperation documents the seccesionists need to sign off these regions to Somalia and cancel their ridiculous claim.. Clearly the people of SSC are the keepers of Somali unity and patriots, furthermore given the current condition of the Somali state at the moment it's not possible to have these talks, therfore any agreements between the two parts would have to happen when reaches a stable condition where there's a capable inclusive goverment, where Al shabab has been defeated, the SNA is strong and fully functional and all foreign forces and their influence is minimal , only then can we sit down with the seccesionists and hear out their demand and reach an agreement, until let us continue the stalemate.. I think once Somalia gets back on its feets the seccesionists would realise they'll have more to gain being with Somalia than being a squeezed little poverty ridden one qabiil country.. But now the remaining question is can we get Somalia back on its feets with all the low iq stuff going on in muqdisho and southern Somalia?

 

[Aurelian]

If they relinquished their claim to SSC and Awdal, I'd gladly through agree to let them go their way.

But I know very well, they'd prefer to die before accepting that deal.

 

[hayran]

I don't have an issue with SL seceding really, the problem is that ethiopia exists and will use for its own goals that will f*ck over everyone in the region. they would still have to deal with the khatumo issue and so far we've seen that they will not be immune to the cycle of non stop clan conflict.

 

[Abdisamad]

We all know there's mainly one qabiil pushing the seperation agenda, this qabiil and region have nothing to contribute to the Somali nation, heck it might even reduce a liability on Somalia's economy and development to seperate them and their region.. Now let us forget these seccesionists and revive the Somali nation and how we can get rid of HSM bad goverment, build a strong SNA, defeat Al shabab and get rid of the foreign forces in Somalia.. Once the country is safe and secure we should focus on investing heavily into utilizing our resources, gas oil, gold, iron, uranium etc, form trade and development agreements with foreign nations and heavily indistralize Somalia, another key factor is to focus on education, within 50 years we shall have a very well developed Somalia.

 

[Abdisamad]

I don't have an issue with SL seceding really, the problem is that ethiopia exists and will use for its own goals that will f*ck over everyone in the region. they would still have to deal with the khatumo issue and so far we've seen that they will not be immune to the cycle of non stop clan conflict.

I say let them make deals with who ever they want, if they want to give their soil to Ethiopia it's none of our business, we should focus on creating a strong SNA who will be capable of defending all Somali borders then we'll see how well it goes with them and Ethiopia.

 

[Pastoralist]

Let mentally capable somalilanders run Somalia. Like the former finance minister Somali hero Dr. Abdirahman beileh who got us debt relief by winning the trust of international partners with cold hard facts. He did this by working hard to punish any Somali politician that engaged in corruption (Hassan fired him, because as you can probably guess, someone who is kryptonite to corruption doesn’t mix well with…. Y’know). Not ready to let them go out of love. An exchange for SSC & awdal leaves something to be desired when some of the greatest Somalis are issaq.

Somalia Finance Minister Says Country Passes Trust Factor

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[hayran]

they want to give their soil to Ethiopia it's none of our business

You want Ethiopia in our waters? Ma waalantahay? That would be the end of us

 

[Pastoralist]

I say let them make deals with who ever they want, if they want to give their soil to Ethiopia it's none of our business, we should focus on creating a strong SNA who will be capable of defending all Somali borders then we'll see how well it goes with them and Ethiopia.

You have the right idea with SNA, they’re our core dependency above all else. Though regarding their international relationship, some, like Ethiopia’s, need to be kept away whether they want to be independent or not.

 

[Zotran]

Reer Ssc and gadabursi Will choose to stay with SL, if recognition is coming.

 

[Abdisamad]

Reer Ssc and gadabursi Will choose to stay with SL, if recognition is coming.

Yeah sure, you must be their collective spokesperson

 

[Abdisamad]

You want Ethiopia in our waters? Ma waalantahay? That would be the end of us

Ethiopia army are already on Somali soil, their embassy is literally located inside villa Somalia, they are the government within sxb.. I consider those not Somali soil, it belongs to Isaaq, they can offer to it who ever they want..

 

[Zotran]

Yeah sure, you must be their collective spokesperson

Tell me why gadabursi will leave SL if recognition is coming and they can become the prime minister or maybe the president of a recognized country, same thing for reer ssc between Puntland and a recognized SL I’m sure they will take the 2nd option with no hesitation.

 

[MrDeeni1]

I don't have an issue with SL seceding really, the problem is that ethiopia exists and will use for its own goals that will f*ck over everyone in the region. they would still have to deal with the khatumo issue and so far we've seen that they will not be immune to the cycle of non stop clan conflict.

Also awdal and Ethiopia won’t stop interfering in the region.

 

[Abaq]

Somaliland should leave. And then so should Puntland and Jubbaland. Hawiyeland and Eelaayland can live together

 

[NidarNidar]

Let mentally capable somalilanders run Somalia. Like the former finance minister Somali hero Dr. Abdirahman beileh who got us debt relief by winning the trust of international partners with cold hard facts. He did this by working hard to punish any Somali politician that engaged in corruption (Hassan fired him, because as you can probably guess, someone who is kryptonite to corruption doesn’t mix well with…. Y’know). Not ready to let them go out of love. An exchange for SSC & awdal leaves something to be desired when some of the greatest Somalis are issaq.

Somalia Finance Minister Says Country Passes Trust Factor

www.voanews.com

Farmaajo brought him back during his reign, his not Isaaq but Gadabuursi from the Mahad 'Ase branch.

 

[berberaboy66]

Why do people skip so many steps when it comes to Somalia? Talking about separation is crazy when AS controls most of the south

 

[fayy36]

Somaliland should leave. And then so should Puntland and Jubbaland. Hawiyeland and Eelaayland can live together

Yes the states that don’t want dowladnimo can leave. Jubbaland can join Kenya

 

[Zak12]

No seperation will happen. Not only does Al-Shabab still remain a security threat, the world simply doesn't care to have yet another Somali country that will end up begging for aid.

Colonial borders are for the most part sacred. Only reason South Sudan and Eritrea became recognized was because they were culturally and ethnically different from the country they used to be apart of. The world recognises (rightfully) that Somalilanders are the same ethnicity and culture as the rest of the ethnic Somalis.

 

[Abdisamad]

No seperation will happen. Not only does Al-Shabab still remain a security threat, the world simply doesn't care to have yet another Somali country that will end up begging for aid.

Colonial borders are for the most part sacred. Only reason South Sudan and Eritrea became recognized was because they were culturally and ethnically different from the country they used to be apart of. The world recognises (rightfully) that Somalilanders are the same ethnicity and culture as the rest of the ethnic Somalis.

I won't generalize but some isaaqs would argue they're ethnically and culturally different from the rest of Somalia, even language is different compared to southern Somalis.

 

[Abdisamad]

Why do people skip so many steps when it comes to Somalia? Talking about separation is crazy when AS controls most of the south

Thats what I'm saying before talk of seperation Somalia needs to restore law and order