Word of advice (let SL go its seperate way)

[Ya.dhahay]

I won't generalize but some isaaqs would argue they're ethnically and culturally different from the rest of Somalia, even language is different compared to southern Somalis.

Isaaq is different from other somalis but samaroon aren’t lool

 

[Abdisamad]

Isaaq is different from other somalis but samaroon aren’t lool

I'm not the one who says isaaq are different from other Somalis lol.. I haven't seen any other Northern tribes claiming they're different, it's just the Isaaqs..

 

[Zak12]

but some isaaqs would argue

Why would anyone care about them?

 

[Fez]

I won't generalize but some isaaqs would argue they're ethnically and culturally different from the rest of Somalia, even language is different compared to southern Somalis.

This is a lie perpetrated by extremist Isaaqs with warped views. They don’t exist irl just online to add on.

 

[Ya.dhahay]

Colonial borders will not change any time soon, hell look at Ethiopia they can keep hosting their annual genocide-fest the next five decades without the international community ever reconsidering their stance on their borders. Thinking a group of ethnically/genetically, socially, religiously homogenous people will be allowed to create another state is silly. Even worse they are politicly not different from Xamar

somaliland/puntland is just konfuur minus AS (because they didn’t face an invasion) and less clan skirmishes because it’s more homogenous in terms of clan. The administrations there are useless in every way possible. Despite lacking those two fundamental obstacles there’s very little improvement to show for. Still politically dysfunctional because the place is ran by corrupt incompetent military dudes lol, Somaliland is even worse, how u a breakaway region and u got a breakaway region

 

[Ya.dhahay]

And isaaq political elites will not agree to leaving with only their territory lol, they want khayradka ku jira the lands of warsangeli (minerals) and that of dhulbahante (oil). Gaajo antics.

It’s not about selfdetermination or historical grievances (’88), waa pure hungurinimo.

 

[Pastoralist]

Farmaajo brought him back during his reign, his not Isaaq but Gadabuursi from the Mahad 'Ase branch.

I know he’s not issaq sxb. Look how I said “somalilanders”. My bad fault not including his clan

 

[Fez]

I know he’s not issaq sxb. Look how I said “somalilanders”. My bad fault not including his clan

somalilander is synonymous with Isaaq the way water is synonymous for wet.

 

[Zak12]

Colonial borders will not change any time soon, hell look at Ethiopia they can keep hosting their annual genocide-fest the next five decades without the international community ever reconsidering their stance on their borders. Thinking a group of ethnically/genetically, socially, religiously homogenous people will be allowed to create another state is silly. Even worse they are politicly not different from Xamar

somaliland/puntland is just konfuur minus AS (because they didn’t face an invasion) and less clan skirmishes because it’s more homogenous in terms of clan. The administrations there are useless in every way possible. Despite lacking those two fundamental obstacles there’s very little improvement to show for. Still politically dysfunctional because the place is ran by corrupt incompetent military dudes lol, Somaliland is even worse, how u a breakaway region and u got a breakaway region

Wallahi imagine thinking a Somali qabil could get a seat in the UN while groups like Kurds who far outnumber the total Somali population and are ethnically and culturally different from other Iraqis can't get their own country. Sheer delusion.

 

[Samaale55]

Negotiating borders would be smart, which is why I don't see it happening. An Awdal exclave is ridiculous though

 

[Ya.dhahay]

Wallahi imagine thinking a Somali qabil could get a seat in the UN while groups like Kurds who far outnumber the total Somali population and are ethnically and culturally different from other Iraqis can't get their own country. Sheer delusion.

the entire international community is terrified of separatist movements and goes to extreme lengths to make sure their colonial projects remain intact, esp in Africa. Look at Nigeria, Ethiopia, Congo etc., those borders are as illogical gets. there’s no way AU or any international entity has any real desire to grant SL independence.

SL aligning themselves with Ethiopia is hilarious considering ETH has no real desire to make SL an independent country. They helped set up SL to sabotage the government in Xamar. Why would they help a somali state? Lol, isaaq want Hawd and reserve area, you don’t think that’s the first thing they’ll come for when they build themselves up SL zealots are hilarious because they fail to realize (or just fail to mention because they think they can outsmart ethiopians) that Ethiopia is not a friend of any somali, they just want to prevent the rise of a strong and united somali state that can threaten their imperial ambitions and their hold on somali territory.

If the SL admin was to get its shit together and reach political consensus with neighbouring clans and by sheer miracle gain recognition Ethio would be BOTHERED by that

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

I suggest we let Somaliland go their seperate way, the rest of Somalia can do fine without SL.. But this comes with a condition which means before Somalia signs any seperation papers we will need to hold a referredum in Awdal, if majority vote to remain unified with Somalia then we can include them as part of Somalia another is issue is the SSC region which the seccesionists claim to have enhirated from the English colony, before Somalia signs any seperation documents the seccesionists need to sign off these regions to Somalia and cancel their ridiculous claim.. Clearly the people of SSC are the keepers of Somali unity and patriots, furthermore given the current condition of the Somali state at the moment it's not possible to have these talks, therfore any agreements between the two parts would have to happen when reaches a stable condition where there's a capable inclusive goverment, where Al shabab has been defeated, the SNA is strong and fully functional and all foreign forces and their influence is minimal , only then can we sit down with the seccesionists and hear out their demand and reach an agreement, until let us continue the stalemate.. I think once Somalia gets back on its feets the seccesionists would realise they'll have more to gain being with Somalia than being a squeezed little poverty ridden one qabiil country.. But now the remaining question is can we get Somalia back on its feets with all the low iq stuff going on in muqdisho and southern Somalia?

But you bozos are closer to state collapse than what you are describing. The fact you put any energy into SL is a sign that you are not properly functioning.

Somalia is a concept country, like a concept car.

When Hillary Clinton decided she was going to try and build a state in Somalia, she could have chosesn two states but she opted for one state and then they went about supporting that model.

The reality is Trump is much more of a realist than an idealist and he will support SL independnece, probably through the MoU but with US on board I think SL can get a better deal. The idea of any kind of partition deal is dead because Somalia played it's hand already to take the whole thing and now SL I think has the upper hand.

The all-new Somalia.

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

No, they cant even go their seperate way their apart of somalia and only reason their able to do things is the incompetency going on in the somali government. Theres a reason why their supported by ethiopia, Their somalis and they will be apart of a greater somali state.

 

[hayran]

Ethiopia army are already on Somali soil, their embassy is literally located inside villa Somalia, they are the government within sxb.. I consider those not Somali soil, it belongs to Isaaq, they can offer to it who ever they want..

on land you can shoot them and blow up their tanks.

what will you do if they station a destroyer near your shoreline? or block any merchant ship from docking at your ports? they can starve you without firing a weapon

 

[Ya.dhahay]

Let mentally capable somalilanders run Somalia. Like the former finance minister Somali hero Dr. Abdirahman beileh who got us debt relief by winning the trust of international partners with cold hard facts. He did this by working hard to punish any Somali politician that engaged in corruption (Hassan fired him, because as you can probably guess, someone who is kryptonite to corruption doesn’t mix well with…. Y’know). Not ready to let them go out of love. An exchange for SSC & awdal leaves something to be desired when some of the greatest Somalis are issaq.

Somalia Finance Minister Says Country Passes Trust Factor

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He’s from awdal, no? Gadabuursi I think, not isaaq

 

[Abdisamad]

on land you can shoot them and blow up their tanks.

what will you do if they station a destroyer near your shoreline? or block any merchant ship from docking at your ports? they can starve you without firing a weapon

You're setting up unrealistic scenario sxb..

 

[Abdisamad]

But you bozos are closer to state collapse than what you are describing. The fact you put any energy into SL is a sign that you are not properly functioning.

Somalia is a concept country, like a concept car.

When Hillary Clinton decided she was going to try and build a state in Somalia, she could have chosesn two states but she opted for one state and then they went about supporting that model.

The reality is Trump is much more of a realist than an idealist and he will support SL independnece, probably through the MoU but with US on board I think SL can get a better deal. The idea of any kind of partition deal is dead because Somalia played it's hand already to take the whole thing and now SL I think has the upper hand.

The all-new Somalia.

Sure Donald Trump will give you recognition

 

[Abdisamad]

No, they cant even go their seperate way their apart of somalia and only reason their able to do things is the incompetency going on in the somali government. Theres a reason why their supported by ethiopia, Their somalis and they will be apart of a greater somali state.

What's the purpose of forcing people into a unity they don't want? Give me one rational reason for this?

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

What's the purpose of forcing people into a unity they don't want? Give me one rational reason for this?

Who are these people in the question? Why dont they want unity. They are apart of somalia the average person there would much rather be apart of a greater somali state, as long as it was ran properly.
Also the better question is why would you encourage disunity, no country in the world does it and a lot of countries have their own problems with parts trying to secede. No need to give in, the people are not even fully subscribed to this sland idea anyways its all qabil based.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Sure Donald Trump will give you recognition

Why not?
They are just entertaining your soveriegnty and territorial integrity right now. They don't have to keep entertaining Mogadishu if there's no reason to.
Donald Trump should tell FGS, give me oil blocks for funding your government, plus recongize Somaliland and if your lucky I will keep supporting you.

Somaliland has colonial borders unlike any other situation in Africa, it's an easy thing to make happen.