Would you still be a Muslim even if EVERYONE ELSE wasn't?

[Hafez]

Saaxib, unsurprisingly you haven't delivered on my request. Ever heard the game Chinese Whispers? And how easily things can be misconstrued or misunderstood. Now imagine how many claims could be made in decades. Try peddling claims based on oral tradition to any respected historian and they'll laugh at you.

Do you know how much of an idiot you sound? For every hadith, MANY Sahaba (RA) narrated it. There are actually not that many (separate) ahadiths that exist. A specific hadith would have different chains leading to different Sahaba. It's been preserved to death (literally).

 

[Masaasbaa]

Saaxib, unsurprisingly you haven't delivered on my request. Ever heard the game Chinese Whispers? And how easily things can be misconstrued or misunderstood. Now imagine how many claims could be made in decades. Try peddling claims based on oral tradition to any respected historian and they'll laugh at you.

so you're saying the quran falls under this as well?

 

[Zak Jingo]

@Hafez don't bother, the light and beauty of our faith is taken from them, the reason why they left the religion is just because of a few and the bad publicity. All these miracles happening right before us and still they don't acknowledge it.

 

[maman waaq]

99% of my ancestors after a certain point were Waaqists.

Pretty sure 99% of my descendants a.few centuries from now will be non-religious

i am the last remaining waaqist and wadaad support me in my mission to save somalia from arab ass kissing

 

[Masaasbaa]

This is completely pointless its like arguing with a wall. am done with this

 

[Hafez]

@Hafez don't bother, the light and beauty of our faith is taken from them, the reason why they left the religion is just because of a few and the bad publicity. All these miracles happening right before us and still they don't acknowledge it.

They're amnesiac sxb. For every real point you make, they're like "huh? What?", deaf, dumb and blind. They will remain as such until they decide to accept Islam as the truth. May Allah guide them.

 

[Masaasbaa]

They're amnesiac sxb. For every real point you make, they're like "huh? What?", deaf, dumb and blind. They will remain as such until they decide to accept Islam as the truth. May Allah guide them.

Aamin and i mean it with sincerity.

 

[JohnDoe]

so you're saying the quran falls under this as well?

Qur'an as a text is alot better preserved than the Bible or Hadith as carbon dating shows the Qur'an has been largely remained the same. However, I must stress the earliest Qur'ans were recited with many dialects so this created confusion and misunderstanding hence why Uthman compiled his Mushaf and all others were burned. There are obvious reasons why the Qur'an has been preserved alot better than the Hadith.

 

[maman waaq]

@Hafez don't bother, the light and beauty of our faith is taken from them, the reason why they left the religion is just because of a few and the bad publicity. All these miracles happening right before us and still they don't acknowledge it.

take for example a boy in afghanistan who saw his mother being beaten by his father for not wearing "proper clothing" because the quran says you can do so Q 4:34 and saw his friend being dismembered because he stole and seeing his other buddy being killed because he left it don't know why he has much of a reason to become a muslim just saying

 

[Masaasbaa]

take for example a boy in afghanistan who saw his mother being beaten by his father for not wearing "proper clothing" because the quran says you can do so Q 4:34 and saw his friend being dismembered because he stole and seeing his other buddy being killed because he left it don't know why he has much of a reason to become a muslim just saying

I don't wanna take anything from a Somali mushrik.

 

[maman waaq]

I don't wanna take anything from a Somali mushrik.

typical muslim always in denial waaqism will aways be superior

 

[Hafez]

Qur'an as a text is alot better preserved than the Bible or Hadith as carbon dating shows the Qur'an has been largely remained the same. However, I must stress the earliest Qur'ans were recited with many dialects so this created confusion and misunderstanding hence why Uthman compiled his Mushaf and all others were burned. There are obvious reasons why the Qur'an has been preserved alot better than the Hadith.

You're mistaken. There are 7 ways of Qiraa'at that are accepted. They are all considered to be correct and the Prophet (SAW) approved of them.

The Sahaba used to write down what the Prophet (SAW) said, for example Abdullah ibn Amr (who gathered a lot of Hadith). When the Sahaba (RA) wanted to transmit a Hadith, they made sure the individual memorised it verbatim. There are hundreds of individuals that would memorise a specific Hadith from them verbatim.

There were also many other Sahaba (RA) that have transmitted the same Hadith most of the times.

There was no room for error.

Ilm al Rijaal came about after the period of the Tabi' since they anticipated that people would fabricate Hadith. All the fabricated ahadith are known.

 

[Zak Jingo]

typical muslim always in denial waaqism will aways be superior

Go back to the Las Anod caves and worship the cows.

 

[JohnDoe]

You're mistaken. There are 7 ways of Qiraa'at that are accepted. They are all considered to be correct and the Prophet (SAW) approved of them.

The Sahaba used to write down what the Prophet (SAW) said, for example Abdullah ibn Amr (who gathered a lot of Hadith). When the Sahaba (RA) wanted to transmit a Hadith, they made sure the individual memorised it verbatim. There are hundreds of individuals that would memorise a specific Hadith from them verbatim.

There were also many other Sahaba (RA) that have transmitted the same Hadith most of the times.

There was no room for error.

Ilm al Rijaal came about after the period of the Tabi' since they anticipated that people would fabricate Hadith. All the fabricated ahadith are known.

I don't deny the Qur'ans authenticity as I told you it has remained largely the same. That said however I must stress that all of does for me is let me know that it's quite likely Muhammad believed Jonah survived in the whale of a stomach

 

[Masaasbaa]

I don't deny the Qur'ans authenticity as I told you it has remained largely the same. That said however I must stress that all of does for me is let me know that it's quite likely Muhammad believed Jonah survived in the whale of a stomach

Go to sleep, no further need to embarrass yourself. game over khalas

 

[Hafez]

I don't deny the Qur'ans authenticity as I told you it has remained largely the same. That said however I must stress that all of does for me is let me know that it's quite likely Muhammad believed Jonah survived in the whale of a stomach

Hamman ibn Munabbih (RH) who was the first to write on hadith, died only 10 years after the companion Anas Ibn Malik (RA) had passed away.

Lol wallahi only an ignorant fool would doubt the authenticity of hadith. I cannot cure your ignorance. You must study ilm al rijaaal and the history and it's scholars in depth.

 

[Zak Jingo]

@JohnDoe you might passaway tonight so if I was you I'd make wise choices, wise choices only. Just pray your Isha, and repent.

 

[JohnDoe]

Hamman ibn Munabbih (RH) who was the first to write on hadith, died only 10 years after the companion Anas Ibn Malik (RA) has passed away.

Lol wallahi only an ignorant fool would doubt the authenticity of hadith. I cannot cure your ignorance. You must study ilm al rijaaal and the history and it's scholars in depth.

No sir, someone who's played Chinese Whispers as a child would know that Hadith's are to be taken with a pinch of salt. You're telling me to study in depth into a religion that believes a man can survive the stomach of a whale. By your own logic, a Christian or Hindu can easily say "@Hafez you can't say we're wrong as you haven't read our texts in depth." So I'm gonna have to say no I'm afraid.

 

[Hafez]

No sir, someone who's played Chinese Whispers as a child would know that Hadith's are to be taken with a pinch of salt. You're telling me to study in depth into a religion that believes a man can survive the stomach of a whale. By your own logic, a Christian or Hindu can easily say "@Hafez you can't say we're wrong as you haven't our texts in depth." So I'm gonna have to say no I'm afraid.

Warr sxb Chinese whispers kaada ii wixi tahay ba wass. You're being childish now. I've played Chinese whispers, the other person doesn't repeat something until you've got it deeply memorized (by rote). How comes all the chains of transmissions that lead to different Sahaba (RA) are correct? I'm telling you a taabi' compiled hadith whilst some Sahaba (RA) were still alive.

Many Sahaba (RA) would narrate a specific hadith, each one of them would have hundreds of students that would memorise it by rote. The ilm al rijaal science was used to make sure only authentic ahadith are accepted.

I'm not going to educate you in this.

 

[JohnDoe]

Warr sxb Chinese whispers kaada ii wixi tahay ba wass. You're being childish now. I've played Chinese whispers, the other person doesn't repeat something until you've got it deeply memorized (by rote). How comes all the chains of transmissions that lead to different Sahaba (RA) are correct? I'm telling you a taabi' compiled hadith whilst some Sahaba (RA) were still alive.

Many Sahaba (RA) would narrate a specific hadith, each one of them would have hundreds of students that would memorise it by rote. The ilm al rijaal science was used to make sure only authentic ahadith are accepted.

I'm not going to educate you in this.

Saaxib I chewed you up and spat you out with my original comment about the whale and the Qur'ans lack of explanation Everything that followed was just me lending you respect.