Xamar wa Somali

[Khaem]

Mogadishu comes from the Somali "sight killer".
I hear people say it was the "seat of the shah" to claim it as Persian however the Persians kept clear records of what they have done. We know Persians moved jews from one place to another and the exact locations damn near 3,000 years ago but we don't have a Persian source stating their influence in building a rich city on the other side of the indian ocean?

Mogadishu was an ancient sight much like zelia. The surrounding lands around Mogadishu were unsuitable for large agriculture and so it was sustained by other somalis along the river.

("The origins and development of Mogadishu AD 1000 to 1850, by Ahmed Dualeh Jama)

This plays into how the Somali peninsula functioned throughout history. The coastal cities relied on not just importing random shit from India, but it also exported. The things they exported came from the hinterlands by the Agricultural Somalis around the fertile south but most importantly along the river Shebelle and the Nomadic Somalis who had their own goods such as animal hides and cattle but also where the ones who transported foods from agricultural towns in the hinterland to the coastal trade cities along this river system

Think of of as the base of the economy in the Somali peninsula.
You can clearly see the Ajuuran empire was based around this whole system.

For many years Mogadishu functioned as the pre-eminent city in the بلد البربر (Bilad al Barbar - "Land of the Berbers"), as medieval Arabic-speakers named the Somali coast. Following his visit to the city, , the 12th-century Syrian historian Yaqut al-Hamawi (a former slave of Greek origin)

If an Arab went to a supposedly Arab city in the 1100s, why would he call them Berbers (a name historically used for somalis) and not call them arabs like him? You reckon he would've recognised his own people but no these were different to him.
It's important to not he was greek as well, the Greeks were the ones who referred to us Cushites in the region as Berber and this greek boy still did.


And there are those who base their whole argument on the idea that somalis were a illiterate nomads who were allergic to the coast. A very stupid assumption.
Somalis did largscale agriculture wherever it was possible. Along the rivers in the south or the vast green lands of hararghe and parts of bale. And some dotted agriculture in fertile spots in the hinterlands.

("The origins and development of Mogadishu AD 1000 to 1850, by Ahmed Dualeh Jama)


Will add more to it later

 

[BetterDaysAhead]

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[BetterDaysAhead]

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[Khaem]

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[Cartan Boos]

This being even a debatable is sad, of course it is

 

[Al Adnani]

Mogadishu is indeed Somali but the rumour that it translates to sight killer needs to die. The first person to make that interpretation was a random nigga on somalispot 4 years ago

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Mogadishu is indeed Somali but the rumour that it translates to sight killer needs to die. The first person to make that interpretation was a random nigga on somalispot 4 years ago

You're not new after all

 

[HabarSteven12]

Arabs controlled a coastal region in East Africa called Azania, which extended from southern Somalia to Tanzania (Rhapta). The coastal region of Azania, which included Mogadishu, Marka, and Barawa, was subject to Amir Sharahbil Ya’fir ibn As’ad Abu Karib. Please read the source below.

The Somali coast has certainly had ties of dependency with Arabia since very early times. Classical references include Herodotus, who makes mention in the 4th century B.C. of temporary settlements established down the East African coast by Phoenicians; and Agatharkhides, a Greek geographer living in Alexandria in the days of Ptolemy Philometer, tells us in 150 B.C.5 that the first permanent colonisers were the Sabeans from Southern Arabia, whom he describes as being strong, warlike and expert seamen.

They possess large ships and sail to the land of the aromatic products where they found colonies.... It is they who provide the Phoenicians with an endless variety of merchandise and prodigous profits.

Some two hundred years later the importanc "Periplus of the Erythraean Sea"" was written in Greek by an unknown Alexandrian merchant. It is a kind of geo- graphical and mercantile guide to the Red Sea, the East African and Arabian coasts. Part of paragraph 16, referring to the Somali coast, records:

The inhabitants of this coast, men of huge stature, are given to piracy; they live each in their own district, their own masters. In accordance with some ancient right, this district is subject to the sovereignty of the state that becomes most powerful in Arabia, and so is now ruled by the Mapharitic chieftain. From the king it is held tributary by the people of Muza who send there many ships with Arab captains and agents who enjoy the friendship of the natives, intermarry with them and thus become familiar with the coast and its language

 

[HabarSteven12]

Your claim is ludicrous and there is no historical or academic source to back your claim. Show me any legitimate academic or historical source that claims Mogadishu means sight killer. You nationalists made that up. Once again, you are demonstrating you have no regard for intellectual or academic honesty.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Your claim is ludicrous and there is no historical or academic source to back your claim. Show me any legitimate academic or historical source that claims Mogadishu means sight killer. You nationalists made that up. Once again, you are demonstrating you have no regard for intellectual or academic honesty.

Do you not know Somali?

 

[HabarSteven12]

Mogadishu is indeed Somali but the rumour that it translates to sight killer needs to die. The first person to make that interpretation was a random nigga on somalispot 4 years ago

Thank you for displaying intellectual honesty. Somali nationalists just made up that interpretation. I remember a few Somali nationalist trolls regurgitating that ridiculous argument on Twitter. It has been refuted.

 

[HabarSteven12]

Do you not know Somali?

You know very well that claim is ridiculous. Show me any legitimate academic or historical source that shows Mogadishu was know as sight skiller to the world. You guys just made that up. Fear Allah.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

You know very well that claim is ridiculous. Show me any legitimate academic or historical source that shows Mogadishu was know as sight skiller to the world. You guys just made that up. Fear Allah.

Knowing my language’s meaning is ridiculous? Besides it’s you that has to prove that Mogadishu is foreign not me, it being Somali is default you have to prove otherwise. And don’t bother using colonial texts made to give credit to other people’s or your psyop ethiopian history revisionism books.
And while you’re doing that, plz write in Somali without using google translate. I’ll decide whether it’s worth arguing with you over this after you’ve done so.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

You know very well that claim is ridiculous. Show me any legitimate academic or historical source that shows Mogadishu was know as sight skiller to the world. You guys just made that up. Fear Allah.

It's one of the proposed theories of It's etymology
Is it a merely coincidence that a city in the middle of somali inhabited lands somehow have a meaning in somali language?
Allahu a'lam

 

[Khaem]

Arabs controlled a coastal region in East Africa called Azania, which extended from southern Somalia to Tanzania (Rhapta). The coastal region of Azania, which included Mogadishu, Marka, and Barawa, was subject to Amir Sharahbil Ya’fir ibn As’ad Abu Karib. Please read the source below.

The Somali coast has certainly had ties of dependency with Arabia since very early times. Classical references include Herodotus, who makes mention in the 4th century B.C. of temporary settlements established down the East African coast by Phoenicians; and Agatharkhides, a Greek geographer living in Alexandria in the days of Ptolemy Philometer, tells us in 150 B.C.5 that the first permanent colonisers were the Sabeans from Southern Arabia, whom he describes as being strong, warlike and expert seamen.

They possess large ships and sail to the land of the aromatic products where they found colonies.... It is they who provide the Phoenicians with an endless variety of merchandise and prodigous profits.

Some two hundred years later the importanc "Periplus of the Erythraean Sea"" was written in Greek by an unknown Alexandrian merchant. It is a kind of geo- graphical and mercantile guide to the Red Sea, the East African and Arabian coasts. Part of paragraph 16, referring to the Somali coast, records:

The inhabitants of this coast, men of huge stature, are given to piracy; they live each in their own district, their own masters. In accordance with some ancient right, this district is subject to the sovereignty of the state that becomes most powerful in Arabia, and so is now ruled by the Mapharitic chieftain. From the king it is held tributary by the people of Muza who send there many ships with Arab captains and agents who enjoy the friendship of the natives, intermarry with them and thus become familiar with the coast and its language

Show source like I did or shut up

 

[Khaem]

Your claim is ludicrous and there is no historical or academic source to back your claim. Show me any legitimate academic or historical source that claims Mogadishu means sight killer. You nationalists made that up. Once again, you are demonstrating you have no regard for intellectual or academic honesty.

I dropped my sources stop acting dumb. If you wanna read further Judy search up the sources I listed below. The map of the river system is present in Google and is just facts. I don't need to bring up a pear reviewed study to show you a river network that aligns with historical states.

You users want like 10 sources for one little thing but will base your entire argument over the assumption that somalis never touched the coast and Mogadi'shu' sounds like perisan 'shah'.

Despite the fact no Persian claims Mogadishu and they never wrote an acoount of them in Mogadishu. Do that's false.

All Arab scholars who visited Mogadishu described them as a foriegn obviously non-Arab people. One source I showed was talking about an Arab of greek origin in Mogadishu in the 1100s who said it as a large and wealthy city of non-Arab Berbers (Somalis)

If they were Arab he wouldve named them. Not call them Berbers. So that's false.

One of the most acclaimed Arab travellers in the medieval world, ibn batuta, visited the somali peninsula in the 1300s and wrote that those of Mogadishu were black skinned and those of Mogadishu to zelia were all of the same stock. Consistent with the writings of the other Arab visited 200 years prior.


Cope harder habash

 

[Al Adnani]

It’s literally in the name tho? Some people act stupid just for the sake of it (before you misunderstand, I’m not talking about you, im talking about certain accounts on the culture/history section)View attachment 296995

The interpretation that sight killer is referring to the cities beauty sounds like a stretch to me. The meaning is probably something else, there’s more than one theory on it’s origin.

 

[Emir of Zayla]

The interpretation that sight killer is referring to the cities beauty sounds like a stretch to me. The meaning is probably something else, there’s more than one theory on it’s origin.

It’s literally in the word, you can’t argue against it

 

[Zak12]

There isn't a scholarly concensus on the origin of Mogadishu's name so its anybody's guess.

 

[ibrahym]

Arabs controlled a coastal region in East Africa called Azania, which extended from southern Somalia to Tanzania (Rhapta). The coastal region of Azania, which included Mogadishu, Marka, and Barawa, was subject to Amir Sharahbil Ya’fir ibn As’ad Abu Karib. Please read the source below.

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