Xamar wa Somali

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@Step a side

He is waffling. Rhapta is in modern day Tanzania. The Greco-Romans were explicit about the location. No mentioning of Arabs in southern Somalia. Ask him to provide sources. He can’t

 

[Khaem]

@Step a side

Blud is chatting about the Omani empire

And these hoteps think Omanis ruled southern somalia. Dickhead

 

[HabarSteven12]

He is waffling. Rhapta is in modern day Tanzania. The Greco-Romans were explicit about the location. No mentioning of Arabs in southern Somalia. Ask him to provide sources. He can’t

Himyar settled in Hamar and for periods of time controlled much of the East African coastal trade. There are literally Himaryite inscriptions in Mogadishu. Have you seen Ali qasims photo about the Himaryite inscriptions in Mogadishu?

"Ships from Himyar regularly traveled along the East African coast. The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea describes the trading empire of Himyar and Saba, regrouped under a single ruler, Charibael (Karab Il Watar Yuhan'em II), who is said to have been on friendly terms with Rome:

"And after nine days more, there is Saphar, the metropolis, in which lives Charibael, lawful king of two tribes, the Homerites and those living next to them, called the Sabaites; through continual embassies and gifts, he is a friend of the Emperors."

—Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, Paragraph 23.[10]"

I provided numerous sources on another thread but you keep disregarding them. You don't have the intellectual capacity or maturity to analyze historical sources with a critical eye. You can't reason with intellectually dishonest fools.

 

[Zak12]

Himyar settled in Hamar and for periods of time controlled much of the East African coastal trade. There are literally Himaryite inscriptions in Mogadishu. Have you seen Ali qasims photo about the Himaryite inscriptions in Mogadishu?

"Ships from Himyar regularly traveled along the East African coast. The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea describes the trading empire of Himyar and Saba, regrouped under a single ruler, Charibael (Karab Il Watar Yuhan'em II), who is said to have been on friendly terms with Rome:

"And after nine days more, there is Saphar, the metropolis, in which lives Charibael, lawful king of two tribes, the Homerites and those living next to them, called the Sabaites; through continual embassies and gifts, he is a friend of the Emperors."

—Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, Paragraph 23.[10]"

I provided numerous sources on another thread but you keep disregarding them. You don't have the intellectual capacity or maturity to analyze historical sources with a critical eye. You can't reason with intellectually dishonest fools.

You mean areas near Mogadishu? The city didn't exist in ancient times.

Also, Himyarites weren't Arab. Ancient Yemenis were South Arabian Semitic speakers. Arabs never truly dominated Somalia in any way.

 

[HabarSteven12]

Sharif Aidarus mentions that Arabs were the first to reside in Mogadishu and much of the Banadir coast. Arabs inhabited Mogadishu way before the birth of Isa ibn Maryam. Read his book "For Hope's."

“بغية الآمال” written by the historian Sharif Aidarus.
سكان مقدشوه في القرن الأول قبل ميلاد عيسى ابن مريم عليهما السلام يذكر المؤرخون أن العرب هم أول من سكنوا مقدشوه وإن ألوان سكان هذه البلدة فيها - أسمر وفيها ما هو أشقر وأحمر، فإنهم من العرب الأقحاح الخلص) واستوطنت العرب فيها من وقت بعيد، يرجع تاريخهم إلى ما قبل الميلاد بمائة واثنين، وبالجملة فهم (العرب) قد دخلوا مقدشوه من نحو (٢٠٥٥) سنة. ما هو

السلطان أسعد الحميري.

قد حكم مقدشوه قوم التبابعة قبل الإسلام بثمانية قرون، وكان السلطان يكنى بأبي كرب، واسمه أسعد الحميري (حمير بكسر الحاء وسكون الميم . : هو

 

[Zak12]

Sharif Aidarus mentions that Arabs were the first to reside in Mogadishu and much of the Banadir coast. Arabs inhabited Mogadishu way before the birth of Isa ibn Maryam. Read his book "For Hope's

The first? What of the Cushitic and Nilotic tribes that obviously lived in the Somali coastline since ancient times? The Greeks from the same source you used before also called the people there "Barbars" which was the premodern ethnonym of Somalis.

Arabs during antiquity mostly lived in Northern/Central Arabia and the Southern Levant. They didn't have a presence in Yemen let alone East Africa until the prophet's time.

 

[Haragwaafi]

Sharif Aidarus mentions that Arabs were the first to reside in Mogadishu and much of the Banadir coast. Arabs inhabited Mogadishu way before the birth of Isa ibn Maryam. Read his book "For Hope's."

“بغية الآمال” written by the historian Sharif Aidarus.
سكان مقدشوه في القرن الأول قبل ميلاد عيسى ابن مريم عليهما السلام يذكر المؤرخون أن العرب هم أول من سكنوا مقدشوه وإن ألوان سكان هذه البلدة فيها - أسمر وفيها ما هو أشقر وأحمر، فإنهم من العرب الأقحاح الخلص) واستوطنت العرب فيها من وقت بعيد، يرجع تاريخهم إلى ما قبل الميلاد بمائة واثنين، وبالجملة فهم (العرب) قد دخلوا مقدشوه من نحو (٢٠٥٥) سنة. ما هو

السلطان أسعد الحميري.

قد حكم مقدشوه قوم التبابعة قبل الإسلام بثمانية قرون، وكان السلطان يكنى بأبي كرب، واسمه أسعد الحميري (حمير بكسر الحاء وسكون الميم . : هو

I gotta agree with you that Mogadishu was built by the Arab merchants predominantly coming from Hadhramaut as every old town in that city has or had a majority Banadari influence including the coastal town of Merca.

 

[Step a side]

The first? What of the Cushitic and Nilotic tribes that obviously lived in the Somali coastline since ancient times? The Greeks from the same source you used before also called the people there "Barbars" which was the premodern ethnonym of Somalis.

Arabs during antiquity mostly lived in Northern/Central Arabia and the Southern Levant. They didn't have a presence in Yemen let alone East Africa until the prophet's time.

Arabs always lived in Yemen.

 

[Zak12]

Arabs always lived in Yemen.

As minorities, yes.

 

[attash]

I gotta agree with you that Mogadishu was built by the Arab merchants predominantly coming from Hadhramaut as every old town in that city has or had a majority Banadari influence including the coastal town of Merca.

How was Merca built by Benadiris??? 13th century scholar Ibn Sa'id literally describes Merca as the capital of the Hawiye.

 

[Step a side]

Himyar settled in Hamar and for periods of time controlled much of the East African coastal trade. There are literally Himaryite inscriptions in Mogadishu. Have you seen Ali qasims photo about the Himaryite inscriptions in Mogadishu?

"Ships from Himyar regularly traveled along the East African coast. The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea describes the trading empire of Himyar and Saba, regrouped under a single ruler, Charibael (Karab Il Watar Yuhan'em II), who is said to have been on friendly terms with Rome:

"And after nine days more, there is Saphar, the metropolis, in which lives Charibael, lawful king of two tribes, the Homerites and those living next to them, called the Sabaites; through continual embassies and gifts, he is a friend of the Emperors."

—Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, Paragraph 23.[10]"

I provided numerous sources on another thread but you keep disregarding them. You don't have the intellectual capacity or maturity to analyze historical sources with a critical eye. You can't reason with intellectually dishonest fools.

There is evidence of contact between the East African coast and the Indus Valley civilisation of the Bronze Age. They found evidence of East African remains in the Harrapan civilisation.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276490753_Were_There_Commercial_Communications_between_Prehistoric_Harappans_and_African_Populations

 

[Step a side]

As minorities, yes.

Nope, Arabs are from Yemen. The theory that Arabs migrated from the north is a recent orientalist myth to discredit Arabic history. This theory goes against scientific and historical evidence. Yemen is the cradle of Arabs.

 

[Haragwaafi]

How was Merca built by Benadiris??? 13th century scholar Ibn Sa'id literally describes Merca as the capital of the Hawiye.

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Has a Banadari influence regardless who settled there first

 

[Step a side]

Has a Banadari influence regardless who settled there first

Banaadiri have roots from Persia, Central Asia, India, Arabia etc

 

[Zak12]

Nope, Arabs are from Yemen. The theory that Arabs migrated from the north is a recent orientalist myth to discredit Arabic history. This theory goes against scientific and historical evidence. Yemen is the cradle of Arabs.

??? What are you talking about? Arab geneologies are known to be fabricated Arabs most certainly did not originate from Yemen since the oldest evidence of Arabic writing comes from Jordan.

 

[ZBR]

The ق sound in Moog meaning “eyesight” is less guttural and contains less of a echoing sound than the one in Mogadishu

It sounds closer to the ق of the word مقاد meaning the management position and it could have a different etymological meaning in the context of the word , shoehorning it into being Farsi is ludicrous to me since the pronouncation is so Arabic but again many places in America retain French names despite the its latter English establishment, as the French were the first European explorers of east coast of North America via the St Lawrence river were French

Persians sailors might’ve been the first explorers from the east despite not exporting much culture

 

[ZBR]

??? What are you talking about? Arab geneologies are known to be fabricated Arabs most certainly did not originate from Yemen since the oldest evidence of Arabic writing comes from Jordan.

akhi have some shame please

 

[Zak12]

akhi have some shame please

https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/content/did-you-know-evolution-arabic-language-silk-roads#:~:text=Arabic%2C%20which%20first%20emerged%20in,a%20considerable%20period%20of%20time.

"Arabic, which first emerged in the northwest of the Arabian Peninsula, is a member of the Semitic family of languages which also includes Hebrew and Aramaic. Whilst very early manifestations of Arabic date back as far as the 8th century BCE, the language has been defined and refined over a considerable period of time."
Sxb, let's please stick with the facts.

 

[ZBR]

https://en.unesco.org/silkroad/content/did-you-know-evolution-arabic-language-silk-roads#:~:text=Arabic%2C%20which%20first%20emerged%20in,a%20considerable%20period%20of%20time.

"Arabic, which first emerged in the northwest of the Arabian Peninsula, is a member of the Semitic family of languages which also includes Hebrew and Aramaic. Whilst very early manifestations of Arabic date back as far as the 8th century BCE, the language has been defined and refined over a considerable period of time."
Sxb, let's please stick with the facts.

Khair baan ku rajaynaya

 

[Step a side]

??? What are you talking about? Arab geneologies are known to be fabricated Arabs most certainly did not originate from Yemen since the oldest evidence of Arabic writing comes from Jordan.

Ah you must be one of those that still holds on to “Al jallad” the amateur who studied under well known orientalists who try their best to change the history of Arabs based on “graffiti” found on stones in Iraq, Syria and Jordan not knowing that Arabs had 1000s of classical scholars throughout the last millennium and half some of whom literally witnessed the migration of these Arabs themselves and were closer in time to when the Arabs were getting dispersed. Not to forget that this is the age of archeogenetics. It goes completely against scientific logic for Arabs to have arrived from the north with all the genetic material we have available. Even the Arabic inscriptions your on about are text written by tribes with historical origins further south in Yemen. Case in point is the 2nd oldest Arabic inscription the Namara inscription, an epitaph of the Lakhmid king Imru' al-Qays bar 'Amro, dating to 328 CE, found at Namaraa, Syria. It’s well known that Lakhmids migrated from Yemen in the 2nd century AD to settle in the Fertile Crescent. Arabic you hear today used to be just one out of many closely related dialects spoken before the advent of Islam. Even today the Arabs with the closest speech to the classical 7th century “Hejazi” dialect are spoken by tribes with southern origin near the borders of Yemen. Ahmed Abdul Ghafur Attar, a Saudi poet and linguist said in an article that the language of the Hejaz especially that which is spoken in Belad Ghamdi and Zahran, is close to the Classical Language. Faisal Ghori, a famous scholar of Arabic literature, in his book Qabayil Al- Hejaz (Hejazi tribes) wrote: "We can say is that there are some tribes in Arabia whose language today much closer to the classical Arabic language. The tribes of Belad Ghamid and Zahran are a good example of this." Both Zahran and Ghamid are of Qathanite southern stock near the borders with Yemen. If they adopted Arabic they would not have spoken the purest form of it. They would have had substrates.