12 years since the Federal Government was established. No progress has been made.

[Avalanche]

I find it hard to understand how one can remain so involved in Somali politics for years while witnessing the lack of substantial progress.

It's disheartening to see that, despite small steps taken, we still lag behind other nations that have faced similar challenges and made much more significant advancements in the same timeframe. With the recent major W in the Syrian revolution, I can’t help but feel that the struggle for freedom and peace in Somalia may be endless.

The issues persist, regardless of whether it’s Farmaajo or HSM in power. There doesn’t seem to be a clear solution to our problems. It’s exhausting to feel stuck in the same situation we were in back in 2012, with little meaningful progress. Al-Shabaab still controls significant areas and remains undeterred, even after losing some territories. Meanwhile, we have Presidents who can’t collaborate effectively with other key figures in the Somali leadership, leading to ongoing stagnation.

Please don't come with Qabil nonsense in this thread. I want an intellectual discourse.

 

[RiceMuncher]

Can't compare Liin to a Tufaax sxb. The question goes back to the fact that Somalia is a poor country. Somalia had a budget of less than a billion last year, while Syria was spending 2,5 billion just on its defense forces.

 

[Galguduudguy]

No progress? I’m convinced Somalia is in a better position than 90% of African countries.

niggas mock FGS (which I think is incompetent too) but love of Burkina Faso’s leadership, meanwhile they have two coups in the last year and more than 70% of their country is taken by terrorist.

we don’t have any colonial era dodgy deals or foreign companies in all segments of every market.

all we need is one good president and a debt free natural resources loaded homogeneous nation will rise.

also just look at Mogadishu 12 years ago compared to today, the compare Hargeisa 12 years ago to today and you’ll see what real progress is.

only Mogadishu has progressed

 

[Zak12]

To say Somalia has made no progress is false. Rapid urbanization, debt relief, growing private sector, greater security, offshore oil exploration, ect, its clear Somalia has been making improvements even if they may not all be huge. The comparisons with Syria are whack because Syria is objectively poorer and less stable than Somalia is. Even Al-Shabab while still a threat isn't as powerful as it used to be. I don't think I need to mention how well Puntland is doing either.

 

[Avalanche]

No progress? I’m convinced Somalia is in a better position than 90% of African countries.

niggas mock FGS (which I think is incompetent too) but love of Burkina Faso’s leadership, meanwhile they have two coups in the last year and more than 70% of their country is taken by terrorist.

we don’t have any colonial era dodgy deals or foreign companies in all segments of every market.

all we need is one good president and a debt free natural resources loaded homogeneous nation will rise.

also just look at Mogadishu 12 years ago compared to today, the compare Hargeisa 12 years ago to today and you’ll see what real progress is.

only Mogadishu has progressed

If you consider that success, we are 100 years away from being a competent country. I've already pointed out the successes that have happened but it's not ENOUGH. Politically we are still in the same limbo between federal states. The Al Shabaab situation has not changed significantly. I am tired of the same old story that has always been. I want something NEW!

Besides, I have never in my life supported West African dictatorships just because they are ‘anti-colonial’. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Avalanche]

To say Somalia has made no progress is false. Rapid urbanization, debt relief, growing private sector, greater security, offshore oil exploration, ect, its clear Somalia has been making improvements even if they may not all be huge. The comparisons with Syria are whack because Syria is objectively poorer and less stable than Somalia is. Even Al-Shabab while still a threat isn't as powerful as it used to be. I don't think I need to mention how well Puntland is doing either.

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Al Shabaab is still capable of infiltrating the capital and committing acts of terror. We all saw what happened in terror attack in Liido beach last summer. There is no fucking improvement. Besides, people are still in fear of Al Shabaab. Try to buy land in Somalia and build a house. Al Shabaab will blackmail you for money. They still manage to extort innocent people in the businessmen in the capital. I don't call that an improvement

 

[Zak12]

Al Shabaab is still capable of infiltrating the capital and committing acts of terror. We all saw what happened in terror attack in Liido beach last summer. There is no fucking improvement. Besides, people are still fear Al Shabaab. Try to buy land in Somalia and build a house. Al Shabaab will blackmail you for money. They still manage to extort innocent people in the businessmen in the capital. I don't call that an improvement

That's why I said they are still a threat but in the long run, they are incapable of waging conventional warfare anymore. They don't dare siege Mogadishu but will influence it through other means.

 

[Avalanche]

That's why I said they are still a threat but in the long run, they are incapable of waging conventional warfare anymore. They don't dare siege Mogadishu but will influence it through other means.

But that’s the point of this post. We haven’t done enough progress of stopping Al shabaab capabilities of even committing terror attacks in the capital.

I don’t know why some of y’all are comfortable with this status quo. We are literally living in thin ice. Somalia should already been beyond this situation.

 

[NidarNidar]

Somali private vs public sector, private sector across the country is booming.

 

[Zak12]

Somalia should already been beyond this situation.

The country had to start from scratch in 2012 so these things take time.

 

[Avalanche]

The country had to start from scratch in 2012 so these things take time.

12 years and we still have not been able to agree on a common constitution.

12 years and we still fighting Al Shabaab at the same place

12 years and we still have droughts killing thousands

12 years and we still haven’t stopped Al Shabaab from carrying out terror attacks

12 years and the same federal state leaders are fighting

12 years and no reconciliation have been made

 

[Jungle]

No progress made? Lol what a joke

 

[berberaboy66]

We need an Iran-style council of leaders but they all come from different tribes. Personally I would just go for the suldaans/garaads/ugaases as they are the only ones who people listen to. I said this on here months ago and @Aseer @CABDULWALI XASAN. thrse guys cooked me. Ask them what they would do though and they’ll come up with some nonsense like “get rid of tribes”

How to Make Somalia Great Again

Without a fundamental rethink about how to make Somalia work, the country risks becoming a faint memory.

intpolicydigest.org

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

We need an Iran-style council of leaders but they all come from different tribes. Personally I would just go for the suldaans/garaads/ugaases as they are the only ones who people listen to. I said this on here months ago and @Aseer @CABDULWALI XASAN. thrse guys cooked me. Ask them what they would do though and they’ll come up with some nonsense like “get rid of tribes”

How to Make Somalia Great Again

Without a fundamental rethink about how to make Somalia work, the country risks becoming a faint memory.

intpolicydigest.org

Get rid of qabiil wallahi some of these guys live in an alternate universe

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

No progress made? Lol what a joke

Somalia 2012 till now is night and day major progress has been made especially xamar

 

[Zak12]

12 years and we still have not been able to agree on a common constitution.

12 years and we still fighting Al Shabaab at the same place

12 years and we still have droughts killing thousands

12 years and we still haven’t stopped Al Shabaab from carrying out terror attacks

12 years and the same federal state leaders are fighting

12 years and no reconciliation have been made

There are countries that suffer from similar issues despite existing longer than FGS has, what's your point?

 

[IKHALIIL]

 

[The Oponian Guild]

State building process has been left abandoned which doesn’t bode well for the future.

the federal government of Somalia was established in 2012 as a transitional government that would help with facilitating the rebuilding of institutions and government. 4.5 and all this stuff was meant to be done away with after the reemergence of a competent government.

The previous Somali presidents have neglected the process or actively tried to sabotage it.

 

[Jungle]

Somalia 2012 till now is night and day major progress has been made especially xamar

Ridiculous thread by OP

 

[Avalanche]

Somalia 2012 till now is night and day major progress has been made especially xamar

Ridiculous thread by OP

Since when is Xamar=Somalia. Also, the progress is not significant. I was in Mogadishu in 2022. I promise you that most of the capital looks like a slum. The lack of infrastructure is still huge in the capital.