12 years since the Federal Government was established. No progress has been made.

[Zak12]

Also
>somaliland
>puntland
>djibouti
All Somali states that are more stable and less poor than Ethiopia and Kenya are. But muh Somalis are lazy, amirite?

 

[Keep it a boqol]

The most ultimate power one has during a negotiation, is the ability to walk away and never look back.

The issue with Somalia and why it feels like there is absolutely zero progress on the ground is because is one wants to compromise or negotiate with good intentions for the sake of the country

Puntland and Somaliland Doesn’t want to cooperate with the FGS for their own personal reasons. Recently Jubbaland is not cooperating with the FGS as well. Then you have Al Shabaab insurgencies rising in areas where there is lots of neglect of government services. So not only do we have politically ideologies that differ from each other but also power sharing disagreements.


The situation in somalia is just a bunch of madax adeg old heads who have a winner takes all strategy and are willing to keep the status quo till yowm al qiyammah until they get what the want.

 

[TheLand]

@Zak12 @Midas You guys saying that Kigali is all propoganda and a Potemkin village are clueless. It’s a very smart strategy to bring tourists and foreign dollars into Rwanda. How do you expect them to do that if their capital doesn’t look great and doesn’t have the amenities that tourists want? Stop hating, Rwanda has become a tourist destination in Africa despite being landlocked whereas Somalia with the longest coastline on the continent and pristine beaches can’t get anyone to come. Kigame isnt a tuug and seems to love his country so that helps.

You really complaining about Somalia not putting up superficial appearances? Lol next you will say Somalia should fake its GDP numbers like Ethiopia does.

You mean that foreign imposed government that no one asked for? Somalis came together to create the ICU which was far more effective and productive than the FGS is so that completely debunks your "Somalis are lazy" belief.

i don’t know what else to call this other than low expectations sxb. I really don’t. ‘Propaganda’ ‘superficial appearances’ ‘ fake gdp numbers’ lol this is what I’m talking about. All pathetic with all due respect.

 

[Pastoralist]

Why do people sugarcoat this topic like 9 of those 15 years don’t belong to the dameer

gurgurte fired the election committee from his first term during his second term and dismantled the anti corruption committee which even the US took note of. Unfortunately dameer politics will be in the gutter from here on out for you fools that like/admire/respect HSM while subconsciously blaming darood for you’re mentally ill president. Thanks to trump those of you who support this gov won’t get a chance to come up for air underneath the sea of problems which have been created. Even if it means Somalia’s breakup, I’m here for it.

 

[TheLand]

Also
>somaliland
>puntland
>djibouti
All Somali states that are more stable and less poor than Ethiopia and Kenya are. But muh Somalis are lazy, amirite?

Nobody should ever take you seriously troll

 

[Zak12]

How do you expect them to do that if their capital doesn’t look great

People don't come to Rwanda for their capital. They come because of the landscape and exotic animals. If a fancy looking city is all it takes then many African countries should experience huge tourism.

can’t get anyone to come

Because its still dangerous lmao. That is like wondering why anyone doesn't come to Afghanistan or Iraq despite their famous history.

other than low expectations sxb

Apparently not wanting to waste money on vanity projects or lying to investors means you have low expectations, now I've seen it all. Wallahi you guys are out of depth.

 

[Zak12]

Nobody should ever take you seriously troll

>somaliland
Has a GDP per capita of over $1000 and built one of the largest ports in Africa despite no direct foreign aid or recognition.

>puntland
Lower poverty rate than Ethiopia and Kenya and population has more access to clean water, electricity, plumbing, sanitation systems, schools, health facilities etc than either countries

>djibouti
Objecitvely highest GDP per capita ($3,600) in East Africa after Seychellus and Mauritius.

All that despite being much younger states, having a smaller population and not even recognized either. Wallahi Somalis are the master race

 

[TheLand]

>somaliland
Has a GDP per capita of over $1000 and built one of the largest ports in Africa despite no direct foreign aid or recognition.

>puntland
Lower poverty rate than Ethiopia and Kenya and population has more access to clean water, electricity, plumbing, sanitation systems, schools, health facilities etc than either countries

>djibouti
Objecitvely highest GDP per capita ($3,600) in East Africa after Seychellus and Mauritius.

All that despite being much younger states, having z smaller population and not even recognized either. Wallahi Somalis are the master race

You do realize that Berbera port was financed and expanded/upgraded by Dubai-owned DP World which now has a 30 year lease on it? SL didn’t pay a single cent. Come on sxb.

The PL one I’ll give you credit for since that’s my state and I did see that in the world bank reports.

The Djibouti one is a joke, extremely low population and revenue from leases to foreign armies of military bases and ports. Basically all that money goes into fat Guellehs pockets but if you do the math on average it comes out to a decent gdp per capita for the region. None of that money goes to the populace that mostly live in slums. I’d much rather live in Konfur Galbeed then hot as well Djibouti slums.

 

[Zak12]

was financed and expanded/upgraded by Dubai-owned DP World

And? Its called investing. Money doesn't grow on trees so you need to find partners to work with and it was worth it in the long run given the revenue it generates. Puntland's Garcaad port is also a similar deal and highly beneficial to them. Most African countries failed to replicate what Somaliland and Puntland did despite being in a better position.

The Djibouti one is a joke, extremely low population and revenue from leases to foreign armies of military bases and ports

And? They take advantage of their strategic position lol. That is normal.

 

[TheLand]

And? Its called investing. Money doesn't grow on trees so you need to find partners to work with and it was worth it in the long run given the revenue it generates. Puntland's Garcaad port is also a similar deal and highly beneficial to them. Most African countries failed to replicate what Somaliland and Puntland did despite being in a better position.

And? They take advantage of their strategic position lol. That is normal.

So how is that any different to what is happening in Rwanda?

 

[Zak12]

So how is that any different to what is happening in Rwanda?

What about Rwanda? I never said they weren't doing better, I only addressed the capital stuff and why it doesn't matter.

Rwanda BTFO a lot of African countries tho including most East African ones. Arguably the best SSA country next to South Africa and Botswana.

 

[TheLand]

What about Rwanda? I never said they weren't doing better, I only addressed the capital stuff and why it doesn't matter.

Rwanda BTFO a lot of African countries tho including most East African ones. Arguably the best SSA country next to Botswana.

All the stuff you mentioned took us over 30 years sxb. 30 years for that? In 60 years we won’t reach Rwanda at that pace. Something has to give. I’m sorry but I’m not impressed.

 

[Zak12]

All the stuff you mentioned took us over 30 years sxb

Only for Somaliland. Puntland was established in 1998

In 60 years we won’t reach Rwanda at that pace.

*cough* oil *cough*

 

[Midas]

Speaking of rwanda you realize that theses guys ended their civil war in 1994? That means this is what they built after 30 years of peace. Kagame himself has been the leader of rwanda since 2000 and was likely behind the scenes since 1994. That means even after rebuilding the country for 30 years under his control. This is all they accomplished. The worst part is that i don't see rwanda continuing since the country is so militarized and repressed that it'll eventually explode.

 

[TheLand]

Speaking of rwanda you realize that theses guys ended their civil war in 1994? That means this is what they built after 30 years of peace. Kagame himself has been the leader of rwanda since 2000 and was likely behind the scenes since 1994. That means even after rebuilding the country for 30 years under his control. This is all they accomplished. The worst part is that i don't see rwanda continuing since the country is so militarized and repressed that it'll eventually explode.

It’s still way better than Somalia so what is your point sxb? Seems like you are just looking for reasons to hate

 

[Midas]

It’s still way better than Somalia so what is your point sxb? Seems like you are just looking for reasons to hate

I'm not hating i don't wish anything bad on rwanda or their people. I'm just bringing some realistic analysis to the hype around it. Somalia gp is like $700 per cap rwanda is $1000 . This is with us being at war for 30 years. So either rwanda had had absolutely terrible growth or somalia is making progress regardless of its political situation.

 

[TheLand]

I'm not hating i don't wish anything bad on rwanda or their people. I'm just bringing some realistic analysis to the hype around it. Somalia gp is like $700 per cap rwanda is $1000 . This is with us being at war for 30 years. So either rwanda had had absolutely terrible growth or somalia is making progress regardless of its political situation.

Well, for starters that includes remittances sxb. Rwanda barely has a diaspora whereas there are billions sent home every year by us. I do agree with you that the average Rwandan or Kenyan for that matter is not better off than the average Somali but that is mainly because we are not a socially stratified culture. Social standing in Somalia is mainly centered on qabiil. We also have a better culture of helping each other than most. Having said that, if you do the math their gdp per capita is 42% higher than ours. That is massive sxb.

 

[Garaad.XIV]

Looking at Somalia’s trade statistics, with exports totaling only $560 million annually (primarily livestock) compared to imports of $5.6 billion, it becomes clear how inefficient both the Somali people and their government are

 

[six]

Clearly, you haven't been to Somalia since 2012.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The Federal govt was established in 2004 by Abdillahi Yusuf, just like the SYL was established by Abdirashid Haji Ali Sharmarke.

Abdillahi was the first to convert the idea to implementation mode up untill 2009.

Funny how some want to start Federalism Era from 12 years ago when HSM arrived and u guys do the same with SYL when it was given a national character. Heck u even bililiqo Shaykh Sharif time from 2009 to 2012 which ended the transition and handed HSM a fully recognised country well externally not so much internally.

Bililiqo is the worst form of gunnimo, heck even I acknowledge Federalism idea was just tweaked from language based to clan from @Kamaaludeen Al Reewin people. I'm gob you guys in hawiye are gun low live scum trying to re write history when people were alive to witness it.