12 years since the Federal Government was established. No progress has been made.

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We need an Iran-style council of leaders but they all come from different tribes. Personally I would just go for the suldaans/garaads/ugaases as they are the only ones who people listen to. I said this on here months ago and @Aseer @CABDULWALI XASAN. thrse guys cooked me. Ask them what they would do though and they’ll come up with some nonsense like “get rid of tribes”


Those who say get rid of tribe are no different to those in the 60s due to their short-sightedness just copied colonial style of administration and idea not even tweaking it to their local culture or realities like China did with Marxism.

The other reason is they wanna appear nationalist(copying the same failed playbook of the past) but what they don't see is if you don't stop this the accumulated losses add up and can be measured in terms of diseases, wars, localz tahrib, poverty, external oromos, etc and general mother nature getting rid of people unwilling to face the local reality due to some petty image issue. You could calculate the rate of each variable year to year and predict when their in extinction processes while measuring mother nature variables plus a more advanced human like oromo flooding for replacement, these can be measured and time tabled over decades.

I've seen this shit happen in real world to aborigines in Australia, every image type of culture ends up like aborigines as mother nature and external pressures of other humans, replace them.

Image don't mean shit if u don't exist. The real root cause not the petty symptoms is lack of trust, revenge, and conflicting interests(tribal or personal) those are the drivers of somali conflict not tribe which is used to facilitate it only not the driver. The rest is merely daily, monthly, yearly, decade or century events or details or symptoms rooting to those big root causes.
 
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We need an Iran-style council of leaders but they all come from different tribes. Personally I would just go for the suldaans/garaads/ugaases as they are the only ones who people listen to. I said this on here months ago and @Aseer @CABDULWALI XASAN. thrse guys cooked me. Ask them what they would do though and they’ll come up with some nonsense like “get rid of tribes”

If anything like that were to happen it would should be based on islam and not qabil
 
We need an Iran-style council of leaders but they all come from different tribes. Personally I would just go for the suldaans/garaads/ugaases as they are the only ones who people listen to. I said this on here months ago and @Aseer @CABDULWALI XASAN. thrse guys cooked me. Ask them what they would do though and they’ll come up with some nonsense like “get rid of tribes”

What are you talking about, I cooked you because you were going on about a system like iran. Do you even understand how Iran works? the council is insignificant, there is a supreme leader and everyone is under him. The people only vote for this figure head I believe is the president or prime minister who doesent do much, while everyone else is appointed by the supreme leader.
 
In regards to the original post, you are right. No progress has been made really when you look at the government and how things are run. 4.5 is still here, states are to strong, no strong military, taxi cab parliament, states running around like countries and incompetent people in the national government.

All the development you see is from the private sector, I dont even know whats going on.
 

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Pseudo-Nationalists make my head hurt. How exactly is Somalia progressing? What can we compare growth in Somalia to? Forget stable nations compare south Somalia to Somaliland or Somali Region.

How many km of roads paved, how much progress against AS, how much energy infrastructure planned, how many more students attending school, how much more food security etc…
In regards to the original post, you are right. No progress has been made really when you look at the government and how things are run. 4.5 is still here, states are to strong, no strong military, taxi cab parliament, states running around like countries and incompetent people in the national government.

All the development you see is from the private sector, I dont even know whats going on.
You want centralism? Come bring the capital to Kismayo and give Baycah to Sayid Axmed :)
 
You knwo what I'll give you guys one thing that's somehwat correct you said which js the central govt hasn't made enough progress in controlling the fms. That's why I'm beginning to think that hsm going to war with ahmed madobe is a blessing in disguise. Somebody needs to be made an example of. And madobe is by far the most problematic of the fms. Always using alshab as an excuse and weapon against the fed govt and he purposely avoided fighting them so he can threaten the govt
 

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You knwo what I'll give you guys one thing that's somehwat correct you said which js the central govt hasn't made enough progress in controlling the fms. That's why I'm beginning to think that hsm going to war with ahmed madobe is a blessing in disguise. Somebody needs to be made an example of. And madobe is by far the most problematic of the fms. Always using alshab as an excuse and weapon against the fed govt and he purposely avoided fighting them so he can threaten the govt
Okay, lets say FMS are out of control and the model of centralisation is one that we should adopt, lets say HSM is a benevolent corruption-free leader we should all obey. So why didn't he make an example out of Waqooyi Galbeed when they literally signed away Somalia's coastal rights to the arch nemeses Itoobiya? Why now on the minor issue of an election? HSM's hypocrisy even with JL is amazing, he was siding with him and extolling his virtues when he was opposition and going against Farmaajo.

The reality is this:
A) Centralism will never happen. This is far more the nature order of things than the city-state centralisation of 60-91.
B) HSM engages in a level of unhinged qabyaalad that your local odey oo shaah cabayo would be ashamed of.
C) HSM and Xamar oo dhan have no philosophy, guiding principles or ideology. PL - Being the model federal state so that other members can develop and grow under (which has been the case, JL/SSC/even GM/KGS have been created as a result and copying PL). SL - Independence and secession, my thoughts on it are different than stating they atleast have somewhat of a vision. Xamar vision/idea? Their guiding philosophy at best is: The dog caught the car.
 
Pseudo-Nationalists make my head hurt. How exactly is Somalia progressing? What can we compare growth in Somalia to? Forget stable nations compare south Somalia to Somaliland or Somali Region.

How many km of roads paved, how much progress against AS, how much energy infrastructure planned, how many more students attending school, how much more food security etc…

You want centralism? Come bring the capital to Kismayo and give Baycah to Sayid Axmed :)
The reality is no where in somalia is progressing at the rate is should be. That is because the national government is incompetent and has been give this terrible system of 4.5, a failed democracy and a garbage parliament and leader.

Now the 'fms' which operate more like seperate countries are trying to flex their powers to the national government. Then you have a leader like HSM who somehow got let in again to bring the country even more down with his hypocrisy.

But still, we need centralism or a proper version of federalism. What we have today is dysfunctional and is absolutely not like federalism at all. First this can be achieved with a good leader that isnt HSM, then the states should be split up and implement proper federalism. The parliment consisting of taxi drivers will all be Dissolved and sent home.
 
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