26kii January 1991

[wheel]

At some point we have to stop pointing fingers and look at ourselves. We are not ‘normal’ people. Very violent, arrogant and unproductive as a whole. It’s no wonder then we are a failure overall. Unless that culture changes nothing will change about Somalias future.

The first step is admitting we have this problem in the first place.
It makes me laugh whenever i see turks/central asians larping as pastoral nomadic conquerors, they have no idea what could have befallen them.

 

[TheLand]

The first step is admitting we have this problem in the first place.
It makes me laugh whenever i see turks/central asians larping as pastoral nomadic conquerors, they have no idea what could have befallen them.

It seems like their cultures are more hierarchical then ours though, could be wrong. I think that might help since a huge part of our problems is the fact that everyone wants to be in charge or run their own little fiefdom. There’s just very little order in our society lol. Almost like we are allergic to it and love chaos.

 

[Zak12]

At some point we have to stop pointing fingers and look at ourselves. We are not ‘normal’ people. Very violent, arrogant and unproductive as a whole. It’s no wonder then we are a failure overall. Unless that culture changes nothing will change about Somalias future.

Well Puntland isn't a failure at all, its a good example of what happens when Somalis are left to their own devices and aren't meddled with by foreigners. Even Somaliland is like that to an extent. Koonfur is the way it is thanks to that retard Dubya Bush sending it back to the stone age in 2006 with his ill fated war of terrorism. I'm not joking btw, they always planned on invading Somalia since at least 2003.

US ‘plans to attack seven Muslim states’

Presidential hopeful General Wesley Clark says the White House devised a five-year plan after the 9/11 strikes to attack seven majority-Muslim countries.

www.aljazeera.com

So when I see the woes of Somalis, I liken it to similar issues in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan ect all suffering from foreign invasions and involvement, not an indication of failure or troubled culture.

 

[wheel]

It seems like their cultures are more hierarchical then ours though, could be wrong. I think that might help since a huge part of our problems is the fact that everyone wants to be in charge or run their own little fiefdom. There’s just very little order in our society lol. Almost like we are allergic to it and love chaos.

Possibly because they atleast united on multiple occasions and actually had a decent military history. But ultimately they got subjugated by the russians/chinese and for the turks some of them became sedentary and forced the others to become civilized; which was proof that that mode of life could was no longer viable in the modern era; i mean they had a long run, being a menace to the greats powers for millenia's; but its literally self destructive in this day and age. A lot of somalis have settled, but the culture and its mentality lasts which is why the country is in the pits.

 

[TheLand]

Possibly because they atleast united on multiple occasions and actually had a decent military history. But ultimately they got subjugated by the russians/chinese and for the turks some of them became sedentary and forced the others to become civilized; which was proof that that mode of life could was no longer viable in the modern era; i mean they had a long run, being a menace to the greats powers for millenia's; but its literally self destructive in this day and age. A lot of somalis have settled, but the culture and its mentality lasts which is why the country is in the pits.

This is the main reason I want all camels confiscated. Most of the warfare in Somalia or Somali lands even in other countries is over tribal grazing lands that are mostly destitute. Without the camels the warfare decreases substantially, especially when paired with disarmament of the clans. The government should pay them for their animals and build them shelter eventually. With global warming this issue of grazing rights will get much worse.

 

[wheel]

This is the main reason I want all camels confiscated. Most of the warfare in Somalia or Somali lands even in other countries is over tribal grazing lands that are mostly destitute. Without the camels the warfare decreases substantially, especially when paired with disarmament of the clans. The government should pay them for their animals and build them shelter eventually. With global warming this issue of grazing rights will get much worse.

This would result in mass urbanisation which is a disaster because it would just lead to development of slums, segregation and nose diving of fertility.
What you need is a firewall between urban life/cities and re-programming/re-education of the young and drastic change in culture promoted by the government. And ideas from the pastoralists being stigmatised, so a geeljire adapts to the society around them rather than the way around.
But instead we have useless leaders like hassan sheikh/deni/cirro who are a literal manifestation of societal rot and geeljirism.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

This is the main reason I want all camels confiscated. Most of the warfare in Somalia or Somali lands even in other countries is over tribal grazing lands that are mostly destitute. Without the camels the warfare decreases substantially, especially when paired with disarmament of the clans. The government should pay them for their animals and build them shelter eventually. With global warming this issue of grazing rights will get much worse.

Mass urbanization would lead to a massive fertility decline like @wheel said which is something we can’t afford considering who we border

our high TFR is mainly due to nomads and it’s one of the advantages we have as a people compared to our neighbours but I agree the resource battles in Somalia will get much worse due to climate change

 

[TheLand]

Mass urbanization would lead to a massive fertility decline like @wheel said which is something we can’t afford considering who we border

our high TFR is mainly due to nomads and it’s one of the advantages we have as a people compared to our neighbours but I agree the resource battles in Somalia will get much worse due to climate change

It would also call into question what Somali identity is since it’s so closely tied to nomadism. Probably would lead to mass psychosis and identity crisis

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

If the collapse of the Kacaan had led to the emergence of a functioning state a few years down the road, the anarchy Somalia experienced may have been worth it.

The fact that we have no functioning central gov 34 years after the fact makes it clear that the collapse of the Kacaan was a net negative. This becomes more apparent with each passing year.

Somali state building was set back a century.
President Gaas makes this clear here:

 

[TheLand]

If the collapse of the Kacaan had led to the emergence of a functioning state a few years down the road, the anarchy Somalia experienced may have been worth it.

The fact that we have no functioning central gov 34 years after the fact makes it clear that the collapse of the Kacaan was a net negative. This becomes more apparent with each passing year.

Somali state building was set back a century.
President Gaas makes this clear here:

The real problem is the capital sxb, let’s be real. If the capital had been elsewhere, even Hargeysa for example, we wouldn’t have had the same issues. I’m convinced of that more and more every day. Xamar is being looted and is still targeted daily by terrorists, and it holds back whatever is left of this ‘country’.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

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Apparently USC were having "independence" day celebrations in January.

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Knocked out tanks belonging to Red Beret Presidential Guard during the many battles before the exodus from Mogadishu.

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Mooryans looting goverment arms depot.


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Mooryan posing for a picture outside of Villa Somalia before it was ransacked and looted.

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Mooryan looting a home in Mogadishu.

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USC inside Villa Somalia.

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Young mooryan poses for a picture atop a Jiib with a Anti Tank gun.

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War ravaged street in Mogadishu.


The Battle of Mogadishu in January 1991 was a critical turning point in Somalia’s history, as it led to the ousting of President Siad Barre and the collapse of his regime. The battle was intense, chaotic, and marked by fierce urban warfare between Siad Barre's government forces and rebel militias, particularly the United Somali Congress (USC), led predominantly by the Hawiye clan.

Key Dynamics of the Battle:

1. USC's Advance on Mogadishu:

The USC, under the command of General Mohamed Farah Aidid and supported by Ali Mahdi Mohamed, launched a coordinated assault on Mogadishu in late 1990.

The USC forces entered the city from multiple directions, systematically targeting government installations, military barracks, and key infrastructure.



2. Government's Response:

Siad Barre deployed his elite Red Berets (Duub Cas), loyal troops drawn mainly from his Marehan sub-clan of the Darod.

Barre’s forces used heavy artillery, tanks, and airstrikes to repel the insurgents, but their efforts were hampered by low morale, dwindling supplies, and the growing strength of the USC.


3. Urban Warfare:

The fighting in Mogadishu was brutal and chaotic, with battles taking place in densely populated neighborhoods.

Civilians were caught in the crossfire, and much of the city was devastated by artillery shelling, mortar fire, and looting.

Key areas of resistance included Villa Somalia (the presidential palace), the Ministry of Defense, and military bases around the city.


5. Collapse of Barre’s Forces:

By mid-January 1991, the USC had gained control of most of Mogadishu, and Barre’s forces were in full retreat.

Villa Somalia was stormed, forcing Barre to flee with his remaining loyalists to the southwestern Gedo region, where his clan dominated.




Casualties and Destruction:

The battle caused heavy casualties among both combatants and civilians, though exact numbers are difficult to estimate.

Large sections of Mogadishu were destroyed by the fighting, with homes, businesses, and infrastructure left in ruins.

The city descended into chaos, with widespread looting and violence following Barre’s departure.


Aftermath of the Battle:

On January 26, 1991, Siad Barre fled Mogadishu, marking the end of his 21-year rule.

The USC declared victory and Ali Mahdi Mohamed was named interim president, but internal divisions within the USC soon led to further conflict, particularly between Ali Mahdi and General Aidid.

Mogadishu, now controlled by rival militias, became the epicenter of Somalia’s ongoing civil war.


The Battle of Mogadishu in 1991 was not only the fall of Barre’s regime but also the beginning of a prolonged period of lawlessness and instability in Somalia. It highlighted the devastating consequences of clan-based politics and the absence of a unifying national government.

Death and destruction was Siyad's SOLE legacy!

But, you just want to go back to the past to devour what was never yours. Bastards!

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

If the collapse of the Kacaan had led to the emergence of a functioning state a few years down the road, the anarchy Somalia experienced may have been worth it.

The fact that we have no functioning central gov 34 years after the fact makes it clear that the collapse of the Kacaan was a net negative. This becomes more apparent with each passing year.

Somali state building was set back a century.
President Gaas makes this clear here:

In a nutshell, I consider all the problems we have gone through a net gain, but that will become apparent say in 50 years or so.

All nations go through the rebuilding process. Stable nations today shall face similar challenges. Imagine, if civil war started in .So today like our neighbours.

 

[Somali Saayid]

Death and destruction was Siyad's SOLE legacy!

But, you just want to go back to the past to devour what was never yours. Bastards!

Why didn't the jabhads form a government after Mohamed Siyaad Barre left the country? Why did they turn their guns on each other and the innocent minorities? Is Siyaad to blame for the atrocities and violence even after he fled the country.

 

[Somali Saayid]

Hours before the departure of President Siyaad Barre from Mogadishu surrounded by heavily armed SNA soldiers.

It took USC three months to fully capture Mogadishu it took them 2 weeks of fighting to capture of the Ministry of Defense alone were more than 100+ USC soldiers died during the brunt of the battle for Mogadishu.

 

[SixthAbdi]

The fact there's still qabilists on this site that praise the fall of kacaan despite it's consequences is crazy. It's truly over

 

[TheLand]

The fact there's still qabilists on this site that praise the fall of kacaan despite it's consequences is crazy. It's truly over

If the kacaan didn’t fall you’d be a camel jockey living off scraps to save your short life instead of trolling on here from qaxooti government housing in the west sxb, let’s be real

 

[SixthAbdi]

If the kacaan didn’t fall you’d be a camel jockey living off scraps to save your short life instead of trolling on here from qaxooti government housing in the west sxb, let’s be real

Facts. I am in eternal gratitude to the White man.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Why didn't the jabhads form a government after Mohamed Siyaad Barre left the country? Why did they turn their guns on each other and the innocent minorities? Is Siyaad to blame for the atrocities and violence even after he fled the country.

I think you probably misunderstand what 'legacy' entails. After 30 years of repressive, divide-rule tyrannical system, where social and economic fabric of society had been compromised, why expect cohesion overnight? It is a miracle if recovery takes less than 100 years.

 

[Somali Saayid]

I think you probably misunderstand what 'legacy' entails. After 30 years of repressive, divide-rule tyrannical system, where social and economic fabric of society had been compromised, why expect cohesion overnight? It is a miracle if recovery takes less than 100 years.

They certainly cooperated together against the goverment, supplying, arming and training each other to fight MSB.

I don't care if you blame MSB for everything that came before January 26 1991 but after that how can you blame him for USC civil war which destroyed the beauty of Xamar and killed more people in 4 months then Siyaad did in 10 years.

Also Mohamed Siyaad Barre ruled for 21 years and Somalia has been in anarchy for 34 years now.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

They certainly cooperated together against the goverment, supplying, arming and training each other to fight MSB.

I don't care if you blame MSB for everything that came before January 26 1991 but after that how can you blame him for USC civil war which destroyed the beauty of Xamar and killed more people in 4 months then Siyaad did in 10 years.

Also Mohamed Siyaad Barre ruled for 21 years and Somalia has been in anarchy for 34 years now.

Walaal, let me ask you: was there a political leader, who might have caused a great deal of death, destruction, and distress to you people, or in your region? If so, whom would that be?