Like Iraq? After Saddam was kicked out Iraqis started with nothing but a America installed government (just like Somalia!) but managed to both successfully defeat ISIS in their backyard and create a stable somewhat developed country.
So he would be installed by America military might and then he would have the 5th largest proven oil reserves in the world to rebuild with? Is that your premise, lol?
Should be noted that Somalia doesn't even have proper democracy anyways but yes Somalis will choose to support leaders based off qabil over actual leadership quality. It plagues all of Somaliweyn.
This is all besides the point sxb. We aren't talking about his accomplishments but whether he would be able to do any of that if there was NO GOV in the first place just like all 'presidents' post-'91 have had to do. The answer is clearly no unless you live in a fantasy world where you worship the guy like a god.View attachment 346129
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We didn't even have a script for the love of God, literally unlettered barbarians.
Lmao Somalia also has large reserves of oil. In fact, Siad Barre was going to tap into it before he was overthrown.
Yes no Somali president had that level of support but even then they still had American air and drone support and AMISOM. More importantly however, Somali presidents failed to (or just outright refuse) to built a proper SNA which would be more than capable of defeating Al-Shabab.
He had 21 years of rule to do that and still didn't do it, but besides the point. Somalia still doesn't have any proved reserves to work with today.
Well they started from scratch in 2012, guess I'll have to wait another 12 years to see if anything truly changes. Sad to see other countries in Somalia's position were able to develop faster.
Your best bet is probably oil, because Somalia doesn't really have anything else to finance large scale development unfortunately. Don't get your hopes up, kidSomalia - Oil and Gas
This is a best prospect industry sector for this country. Includes a market overview and trade data.www.trade.gov
No 3D seismic testing yet but that is being worked on right now.
Well they started from scratch in 2012, guess I'll have to wait another 12 years to see if anything truly changes. Sad to see other countries in Somalia's position were able to develop faster.
Exactly. USC had the choice to make a proper government and instead chose chimp outs. FGS had the choice of developing the country, they chose corruption.
You responded to @Step a side 's post about Italians building everything and you proceeded to post unsourced and out of context screen-grabs that referred to credits from the world bank, european defense fund and Italian and Russian engineers lol. Its the exact same thing that is happening today, completely reliant on shisheeye money and expertise so what exactly did Barre achieve that we should give him credit for other than usurping power?You are talking about that, not me buddy
Obviously a resurrected Barre in 2024 would not be able to accomplish much, anyone arguing otherwise is insane.
The rebels had the opportunity to inherit the government and all of its various organs and institutions in 1991. They chose isbaaros and anarchy instead.
Which is why every single piece of progress we eke out today is prefaced with "for the first time since 1991" or "since the fall of the government in 1991"
Italians/UN trustee basically kept Somalia underdeveloped and barred us from employment opportunities , it was soo bad that Prime Minister Abdullahi Isse lodged a complaint to the UN highlighting them.
You are acting like non of those things would have happened if he wasn’t in power at the time. So, please clarify. Are you really arguing that if someone else, let’s call him ‘hebel’, was in charge at that time none of these things would have been ‘achieved’? As if Barre was the only one who could have asked for a handout for his destitute country?You realize that's what the World Bank is for... right? I'm confused, did you think Somalia was a rich country or something? Was it not the same arid Somalia of 7-8 million of which 80% were literal goatherders with literally 0 resources outside of bananas and livestock?
We give him credit for, you know, actually delivering on major infrastructure and modernization projects despite inheriting a country that, again, literally did not even have a written language
And of course, you know, actually governing the country. Can you do the same in 2024?
MSB was far from perfect but anyone would rather live in pre-91 Somalia than post-91.A lot of strawmans, but not really. Ironically Aided/Ali Mahdi were in charge by 1991, have you seen any new gleaming highways? Yes, none of these things happened before his government and certainly not after. I simply don't like the hypocrisy and abaal-la'aan. The same folks who will cry about MSB literally live off and survive on the ports he constructed
No, Somalia could not and still cannot accomplish much because we are simply a dirt poor, nearly resource less, fourth world nation. I don't know if you live in the same world we do, but Somalia is not going to become Singapore by any stretch of the imagination. Our only hope is a combination of spectacular oil finds and a government that's tolerably corrupt and keeps us from killing each other.
And to think SNM were waiting for things to calm down in the south to rejoin a reformed Somalia only for them to say "f*ck it" and declare independence. Puntland also had a lot of patience.
