im dead lmao, how are you seriously trying to compare the two? ethiopias a large country yes, but addis and its neighbors is still very modern and developed, and it has the largest population so matters the most. it is also much harder to control an area with 80 ethnic groups and lots of differenc langauges, religion and culture. majority of Somalis are one ethnicity, one langauge and one religion and still have the same if not more (terrorism added) problems that ethiopia has. And also, please send me the location of these ethiopian refugees you speak of, as last summer where I was in hargeisa I met none and also never heard of them, there were only a few arabs, which is same across all of somalia. the ordinary ethiopian would laugh at the prospect of going to somalia in terms of refuge, their eyes are facing north, not east.
Aabo Ethiopia does it again.
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im dead lmao, how are you seriously trying to compare the two? ethiopias a large country yes, but addis and its neighbors is still very modern and developed, and it has the largest population so matters the most. it is also much harder to control an area with 80 ethnic groups and lots of differenc langauges, religion and culture. majority of Somalis are one ethnicity, one langauge and one religion and still have the same if not more (terrorism added) problems that ethiopia has. And also, please send me the location of these ethiopian refugees you speak of, as last summer where I was in hargeisa I met none and also never heard of them, there were only a few arabs, which is same across all of somalia. the ordinary ethiopian would laugh at the prospect of going to somalia in terms of refuge, their eyes are facing north, not east.
Wallahi i'm impressed. So far away from the economic capital too (Addis Ababa).
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The ordinary Somali is richer than tiger Ethiopian counterpart, I don’t see what your talking about, they also have much bigger problems then us, (ethnic differences/ no resources/ large starving population/landlocked), we have far more upside and it will be an even more laughable comparison in the future lol, Chinese development through predatory lending isn’t much to brag about, also everyone knows the Ethiopian refugees, there usually the poorest in hargeisa nd aren’t hard to find and outnumber the Arabs tenfold I don’t know how you missed em
people can hate on china all they want and cry about debt, but they're doing their thing. what have western democracies truly done for africa except apart from leave its lingering colonial legacy on the continent and exploit its resources. china would be able to do the same as turkey on a much more accelerated rate, as the chinese dont wait around and get a lot of shit done quick, but after the chinese deaths in kismayo i doubt they'll want to invest in any part of somalia any longer. its a shame, seeing as somalia was once part of the ancient chinese silk road trade route that connected the world, being only one of 2 african countries in it, alongside egypt. i can imagine the chinese officials sitting around and thinking 'damn ancient somalia was safer and more reliable to trade with than the current one' lmao.
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Exactly. It's critical that economic development is spread out across the country.Wallahi i'm impressed. So far away from the economic capital too (Addis Ababa).
Reminds me of China's industrialisation journey in the early stages.
However, i'm aware it's mainly Chinese corporations that are investing in these factories, but are they partnering up with state/gov't-owned companies or Private-owned Ethiopian companies through joint ventures?
There isn't a relationship between population size has nothing to do with gdp growth though lol....many countries with massive populations developed much slower compared to others and u can look at history for that fact.
Ethiopia is def not low on resources and there's many more Somalis from all corners of Somalia going to Ethiopia for a better life. It's only few Oromos that go to SL and PL for a better life because it's easier and cheaper there and other reasons. There are many Chinese, Indian and other Asians living/doing business in African countries for different reasons...doesn't make their home countries 'worse' though.
Also, Somalia can barely use its coastline too. Disputes with Kenya and SL doesn't give clear access to the north. What's annoying is that we have the longest coastline in Africa and we used it better centuries ago wtf.
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The “development” China is doing is near useless for these countries in reality, which is why I don’t put development as our top priority once the oil starts selling(see how Dubai wasted their oil), a foreign owned building in your country does little for those actual people(which is why Ethiopians are starving), I guess it’s a shiny building that the local population never sees the wealth of/ownership so it adds no value to them but adds to China’s foreign assets
Don't know but I suppose the gov is smarter than just falling into another Chinese debt trap. Their officials are competent.
well if youre right, maybe i assumed theyre somali or they're chilling in the outskirts and not the inner city. i havent seen them in any of the major towns. it would make more sense if they were in the borama region more closer to the border
im the most against all these shiny buildings, you think chinese and you assume they are builiding things that benefit them. what use is a skyscraper in a wasteland?. in other cities and countries, china is heavily investing in infrastructure and basic needs, such as sewage systems, roads, electricity towers, ports, train lines etc etc, most of which somalia is in dire need of. its getting tiring seeing cities like mogadishu with countless beachfront hotels when most of the country doesnt have access to the basic aforementioned things that the chinese are building. the roads and infrastructure in hargeisa is beyond embarassing, but there is no shortage of dahaabshiils, hotels and business buildings. im not necessarily in favour of the chinese being the ones to build such, but the somali governemnts arent doing it so somebody has to.
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First of all oromos are the main population of ethiopia, I don’t know why you keep saying only oroomos, they’re gdp like I said isn’t good for their population size and there is a correlation between the two, as for Somalia in Ethiopia there largely native to regions within that country the same can’t be said for Ethiopians in Somalia, as for the coast, mogadishu, kismayo, garaacd covers the span with bossasso in the very north, that’s a sizable space the gov can use, and the court case with Kenya which most report on both sides in our favor could make even our neighbor Kenya near landlocked and not only Ethiopia so it’s more of a positive
countries being landlocked near somalia means nothing, as somalia has 0 sovereignty over its waters. the arabs can exploit the north as they dont see it as a real country and they take advantage of inner country disputes so may even manipulate them, and kenya and many other countries can travel along kismayo and somali waters if they please. even countries from asia can sail across the indian ocean and exploit the waters and dump waste if they please, as no naval bases are stopping these people who have been doing so forever.
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Somalia is in dire need of those things under Somali ownership, at the expense of foreign ownership and I wouldn’t even want it(good thing they give us grants not loans and are debt will soon be forgiven) imagine if a foreign country owned your sewage systems, roads, electricity towers, ports, train lines, that’s how nations remain broke as these were the main regions of potential growth economically for your people but now it goes to Chinese profits, the dahabshils are very important in generating and spending wealth in Somalia and improves a country, a Chinese owned sewage system eats Ethiopia’s money and it goes to China, only a fool would give up ownership of the means of production to foreigners to forever be paying them for the service lol
Yes. Somalia has the oil going for them and with the amount they're saying is sitting down there, aound 100 billion barrels, it could be one of the world’s major oil producers. If everything goes as planned...Which isn't because formaajo is auctioning oil blocks in the country to foreign oil exploration comapanies. There was even a protest in London by diaspora about this.
Kenya has also alleged Somalia auctioned part of its oil blocks in the Indian Ocean to international companies at the London event, prompting Nairobi to recall its ambassador to Somalia and ordered the Somali ambassador in Nairobi to leave.
Currently, Somalia does not have clear petroleum laws that govern exploration. Currently, there is no revenue sharing formula between the federal and state governments, and the two levels of governments disagree over who has the right to offer licences to foreign oil exploration companies. Parliament is yet to approve a bill passed by the cabinet.
Due to instability and the absence of a formal regulatory structure, regional governments had taken advantage to reach deals with foreign firms.
Puntland, one of Somalia’s five federal member states in the northeast of the country, has an agency that regulates the oil sector. It is known as the Puntland Petroleum Agency. Unlike the federal government in Mogadishu, Puntland has an oil law that prevents Mogadishu from involvement.
AKA Somalia is prob gonna become another resource for foreign investors and both Kenya and PL aren't even allowing development
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Personally I like the balance of power in that situation with the regional states as more people will be at the the table so every region eats and we can avoid the classical African central governtment dictatorship which fall into the resource curseYes. Somalia has the oil going for them and with the amount they're saying is sitting down there, aound 100 billion barrels, it could be one of the world’s major oil producers. If everything goes as planned...Which isn't because formaajo is auctioning oil blocks in the country to foreign oil exploration comapanies. There was even a protest in London by diaspora about this.
Kenya has also alleged Somalia auctioned part of its oil blocks in the Indian Ocean to international companies at the London event, prompting Nairobi to recall its ambassador to Somalia and ordered the Somali ambassador in Nairobi to leave.
Currently, Somalia does not have clear petroleum laws that govern exploration. Currently, there is no revenue sharing formula between the federal and state governments, and the two levels of governments disagree over who has the right to offer licences to foreign oil exploration companies. Parliament is yet to approve a bill passed by the cabinet.
Due to instability and the absence of a formal regulatory structure, regional governments had taken advantage to reach deals with foreign firms.
Puntland, one of Somalia’s five federal member states in the northeast of the country, has an agency that regulates the oil sector. It is known as the Puntland Petroleum Agency. Unlike the federal government in Mogadishu, Puntland has an oil law that prevents Mogadishu from involvement.
AKA Somalia is prob gonna become another resource for foreign investors and both Kenya and PL aren't even allowing development
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What year are you talking about? Somalia has sovereign control of its water space, any violation can be taken to the international court, what exploitation are u talking about? Really it’s those Arabs getting exploited by Somalis and losing money lol, just like when this guy finnesed for money Kenya and they still are losing the case, they won’t get the money back though
That's factually incorrect. Tigray may be low in resources and dry af land but they do well in education and infrastructure/development for their population.
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The ordinary Somali can convince their diaspora counter parts to each send them 50 a month through dahabshiil, tawakal, taaj, iftiin, Amal bank u name it, if they have many family members it adds up lol
Read my post again, the situation is bad. Somalia is very close to follow other African nations into the resource trap.
Also I highly disagree with allowing more regional power because in that case: tribal govs will gain more power and marginalise anyone outside of their tribe from the economic benefits and wtf is gonna happen to the regions with no oil and are poorer with no real resources? They'll be completely screwed.
If. Ethiopia is much more fragile than Somalia. The powder keg could still erupt any moment, and there seems to be no significant down trend in tensions.
