Af Maay

[Rooble]

Any person that speaks Af Maxaa Tidhi fluently can pick up on Af May May easily. Just work on yourself don't blame the dialect.

 

[Morphius]

Arabs have these debates on "it's own language" all the time but they know the standard Quranic Arabic and it's origins.

forget everything else. we don't know where Somali language even came from.

 

[Hubble]

Well at least we understand one another. By standard Somali grasp it as we all can communicate no matter the sound accent. Contrast to Af maay maay which completely sounds alien with exception of few words here and there.

Most Somalis haven't studied af Somali and that explains why they don't understand af Maay. Af Maay has classical Somali words as does af Marko, authentic words rarely used by many af maxaa tirri speakers.

 

[Hubble]

Arabs have these debates on "it's own language" all the time but they know the standard Quranic Arabic and it's origins.

forget everything else. we don't know where Somali language even came from.

It came from us in the Horn of Africa, no one else speaks our language.

 

[Rooble]

KowDheh I don't know about Af Marka though sounds like a coastal dialect and we know a lot of orgy's happen on the coast lol .

 

[Hubble]

KowDheh I don't know about Af Marka though sounds like a coastal dialect and we know a lot of orgy's happen on the coast lol .

Lol

They might've added other loaned words but the Somali words they use are authentic as it gets.

 

[Hitman]

KowDheh I don't know about Af Marka though sounds like a coastal dialect and we know a lot of orgy's happen on the coast lol .

 

[Rooble]

Don't get me wrong sxb it's a great tongue, but can''t be said that it's the true tongue.

 

[Hubble]

Don't get me wrong sxb it's a great tongue, but can''t be said that it's the true tongue.

That's not what I'm arguing, I'm just saying that all these dialects hold keys to our language.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Why are you attacking us for our opinions?
Btw I'm glad I'm not from the cursed south.

alhamdulillah

 

[Rooble]

That's not what I'm arguing, I'm just saying that all these dialects hold keys to our language.

Very true my brother

 

[Trailblazer]

No one is denying that they're different but how dare any of you claim that it's not af Somali like you're the only Somalis.

I'm talking about who keeps the word af Somali? That's my issue here and to be fair and frank our two afaf have vast similarities in grammar and vocabulary so it's very difficult to label it a completely different language unless we make Somali a language group instead of a language which I think is the best solution.

so you thing that if maay become a separate language than it will be seen as a subordinate af to standard somali
i agree we should make somali a language group, the oromo Borana can't understand Wellega or Raya the oromo dialect of Tigray.
Ma Tiri and Maxa Tiri are equivalent sister tongues but because standard somali is northern and thus attached to Dir, Darood, Ishaq and Hawiye and Digil/Mirifle feel left out, and they perceive that northern have usurped everything for themselves leaving nothing for D&M.

a possible solution is absorb uniquely Maay words into standard somali and modify Af Maay to have the same sounds like Cayn, Dh, t, X, SH, Kh, Q which Af maay lack

 

[Trailblazer]

Not true in the slightest. Waqooyi and Xamar are considered the same dialect. Af Maay was never considered an accent and it's always beenseen as distinct from af maxaa tirri. Fail and a half.

truely i have a hard time understand af-Abgaal(Banadiir dialect)

 

[Trailblazer]

No one cares what you think. They are Somali like it or lump it they don't need your approval and neither do I.

Sometimes I don't understand wtf some Hargeisans are saying does that mean they have their own language?? I grew up speaking my Ogadem mother tounge and hearing Ogaden 24/7 so when I was in my teens and I heard some Slanders speaking for the first time I was shocked and found their accent funny but didn't understand half the shit they talked about.

you people don't know what dialect is. learn about Somalia. It is diverse

exactly the first time you hear someone speak Hargeisan or Issa dialect from Ethiopia, you like what the f*ck. both require getting use to.

 

[Hubble]

so you thing that if maay become a separate language than it will be seen as a subordinate af to standard somali
i agree we should make somali a language group, the oromo Borana can't understand Wellega or Raya the oromo dialect of Tigray.
Ma Tiri and Maxa Tiri are equivalent sister tongues but because standard somali is northern and thus attached to Dir, Darood, Ishaq and Hawiye and Digil/Mirifle feel left out, and they perceive that northern have usurped everything for themselves leaving nothing for D&M.

a possible solution is absorb uniquely Maay words into standard somali and modify Af Maay to have the same sounds like Cayn, Dh, t, X, SH, Kh, Q which Af maay lack

Only Northerners consider theirs the standard. Most people would say Mudug is the standard af maxaa tirri.

I'm not sure they lack of all those consonants, do you have sources?

Not worried honestly they'd survive because they're building schools which teach in af Maay and they've never relied on anyone to keep their dialect alive.

My main issue was what's af Somali if Maay isn't? It's genuinely a rhetorical question because af maxaa tirri speakers shouldn't attempt to hijack the term for themselves. Maay speakers are Somali and their language is af ey Somalida keli ah leedahey.

 

[Hubble]

truely i have a hard time understand af-Abgaal(Banadiir dialect)

Abgaal themselves aren't all from Xamar, this is a recent thing where a whole clan claims the city. Its a Xamar accent, everyone sounds like they're doing shirib when they speak Loool

 

[Trailblazer]

Only Northerners consider theirs the standard. Most people would say Mudug is the standard af maxaa tirri.

I'm not sure they lack of all those consonants, do you have sources?

Not worried honestly they'd survive because they're building schools which teach in af Maay and they've never relied on anyone to keep their dialect alive.

My main issue was what's af Somali if Maay isn't? It's genuinely a rhetorical question because af maxaa tirri speakers shouldn't attempt to hijack the term for themselves. Maay speakers are Somali and their language is af ey Somalida keli ah leedahey.

walaal is a complicated issue, and has a lot to do with dynamic of power between somali clans. in the 60 the northern clans effectively made somali exclusive to themselves while the D&M were called Sab. The state pushed the standard dialect but give little development to Af-Maay to forge a stronger nation state. truly the war may have inadvertently strength capacity of the D&M to protect and develop their dialect because the state interest was to knitted together somalia's disparate tribes at whatever the cause. some times in the 90, a study publish a theory which challenge the original unassailable position of northern somalia clan histography. somali ethnicity began in southern Ethiopia before moving into somalia and because southern somalia has greatest diversity of somali tongues the somali language thus originated in the southern rather than the north. southern somalia was already inhabited by somalis and the northern were just migrating back south rather than conquering new lands and expanding somali domain.

 

[Hubble]

walaal is a complicated issue, and has a lot to do with dynamic of power between somali clans. in the 60 the northern clans effectively made somali exclusive to themselves while the D&M were called Sab. The state pushed the standard dialect but give little development to Af-Maay to forge a stronger nation state. truly the war may have inadvertently strength capacity of the D&M to protect and develop their dialect because the state interest was to knitted together somalia disparate tribes together at whatever the cause. some times in the 90, a study publish ideas which challenge the original unassailable position of northern somalia. somali ethnicity began in southern Ethiopia before moving into somalia and because southern somalia has greatest diversity of somali tongues somali language thus originated in the southern rather than the north. southern somalia was already inhabited by somalis and the northern were just migrating back south rather than conquering new lands and expanding somali domain.

I don't understand. Where in Southern Ethiopia and what language are they claiming was spoken in Somalia before we supposedly moved in. Do you have a link to that study? I bet some pesky Oromo wrote it.

Raxanweyn are not the only southerners and af maxaa tirri is very much alive in South Central Somalia and in Jubaland too.

 

[Trailblazer]

I don't understand. Where in Southern Ethiopia and what language are they claiming was spoken in Somalia before we supposedly moved in. Do you have a link to that study? I bet some pesky Oromo wrote it.

nope, a white person wrote it over the course of the last 100 somalia 5000 year of history have been left in the hand of white acedemics to decide for us where we belong and how we should interpret our own history. sadly, somalis and many oromos actually take these hypothesis as fact.
http://www.academia.edu/248346/The_Origins_of_the_Galla_and_Somali
you find a glimpse of this theory, in this article

 

[Hubble]

nope, a white person wrote it over the course of the last 100 somalia 5000 year of history have been left in the hand of white acedemics to decide for us where we belong and how we should interpret our own history. sadly, somalis and many oromos actually take these hypothesis as fact.
http://www.academia.edu/248346/The_Origins_of_the_Galla_and_Somali
you find a glimpse of this theory, in this article

I read this and laughed. So because we were 'within touching distance" of the Habeshi it means we ORIGINATED from near them? They could've invaded us, one plausible theory (it's about a song listing who the Habeshi king fought) or perhaps they used to live in Oromo lands (which border us) and this is also plausible because they owned them as slaves and it's well documented that they conquered the Oromo.