Are you a Somali before you are a Muslim or are you Muslim before you are a Somali?

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

How is he trolling when this is what most MJs actually believe in the real world? Its you and the other charlatans who are trolling by propagating ideas that the majority of people find extremely controversial and would beat you if you tried telling them their heritage is a "fairytale".

I want this @Mudug-Madman guy to prove how with our incredibly close proximity to Scotra, Yemen and Oman how in the world we didn't breed with Arabs, its fucking crazy.

Also give a possible genology of MJs that doesn't include Hutu iyo Tutsi baan ahaay.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

Haye and where exactly do Somalis come from because we look nothing like Madow. The Ethiopians are from Jews, Sudanis from Arabs and Hutu and Tutsi from the former two as well as Islanders. Now where are Somalis from??

Somalis come from a result mixing between native East-African populations and PREHISTORIC West Asians. The emphasis is on prehistoric, meaning it occurred before there was ever any Arabs or any populations like Arabs. Our older West Asian DNA is nothing like the DNA of Arabs. This is in contrast to Habaeshas, who have considerable Semetic input.

http://anthromadness.blogspot.ca/2015/07/horn-africans-mixture-between-east.html

Also, these clan founder myths are just that, myths. There's no truth to them. Sheikh Darod, if he even existed, was a Somali man. Same with Sheikh Isaaq. The historical and DNA evidence proves this.

http://anthromadness.blogspot.ca/2015/06/the-interestingly-fraudulent-nature-of.html

 

[Mudug-Madman]

How is he trolling when this is what most MJs actually believe in the real world? Its you and the other charlatans who are trolling by propagating ideas that the majority of people find extremely controversial and would beat you if you tried telling them their heritage is a "fairytale".

By trolling I was refering to the part where he said Darods are mulattoes and our skin tone is lighter than Hawiye and Isaaqs, which is laughable.

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

Somalis come from a result mixing between native East-African populations and PREHISTORIC West Asians. The emphasis is on prehistoric, meaning it occurred before there was ever any Arabs or any populations like Arabs. Our older West Asian DNA is nothing like the DNA of Arabs. This is in contrast to Habaeshas, who have considerable Semetic input.

http://anthromadness.blogspot.ca/2015/07/horn-africans-mixture-between-east.html

http://anthromadness.blogspot.ca/2015/07/horn-africans-mixture-between-east.html

And he said Arabs who are our neighbours is laughable and then he bring West Asians . I'm talking recent Somali history (i.e Post-Islam).

Also, these clan founder myths are just that, myths. There's no truth to them. Sheikh Darod, if he even existed, was a Somali man. Shame with Sheikh Isaaq. The historical and DNA evidence proves this.

http://anthromadness.blogspot.ca/2015/06/the-interestingly-fraudulent-nature-of.html

Sheikh Daarod had a fucking tomb built when he died, its still there!! If you want to disprove facts go and take a DNA test with his corpse.

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

By trolling I was refering to the part where he said Darods are mulattoes and our skin tone is lighter than Hawiye and Isaaqs, which is laughable.

My father has light skin and he is full Somali so does his parents and his family. Most MJs who married MJs have light skin, if married another qaabil thats your fault. Don't bring BS here because your genology.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

And he said Arabs who are our neighbours is laughable and then he bring West Asians . I'm talking recent Somali history (i.e Post-Islam).



Sheikh Daarod had a fucking tomb built when he died, its still there!! If you want to disprove facts go and take a DNA test with his corpse.

West Asia is the Middle-East, Levant and Turkey. It's basic geography you retard. We have next no recent West Asian amixture.

"It's well-known enough in the field of population genetics that Somalis are not the product of a recent Peninsula Arabian mixture with East African natives, in fact most Somalis don't at all display any Peninsula Arabian ancestry whatsoever whether in terms of their Haplogroup markers which are centered very comfortably in the Horn of Africa or in terms of their autosomal DNA where they actually seem more genetically isolated than Ḥabeshas since they show no West Asian admixture outside of ancestral components/ clusters like Ethio-Somali which (for the most part anyway) are to be found in South Cushitic admixed peoples like the Maasai and even the Agaw ancestors ofḤabeshas several thousand years ago."

This is what they science says. You can laugh at it all you want, but we have basically no Arab DNA.

 

[Layth]

Speak for yourself. Somalis are on average 3% Semetic and 97% Cushitic. We're not Arab. We don't want to be Arab. We're Somali.

LOL! Somalis are not on average 3% Semitic, where the fk did you get that from?

Ben badnaa. Somalis are made up of different races. You don't consider Dir and Hawiye to be related do you?


You are less homogeneous as the West Africans and almost as heterogeneous as the Europeans and Asians.

"In Somalis, 14 Y chromosome haplogroups were identified"

"In sub-Saharan Western Africans, only four haplogroups were identified"

"The haplotype diversity of eight Y-STRs ('minimal haplotype') was 0.9575 compared to an average of 0.9974 and 0.9996 in European and Asian populations."

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/n7/full/5201390a.html

"WE IZ ONLY 3% SEMITIC"... Speak for yourself Nilotic ass nigga

 

[Mudug-Madman]

LOL! Somalis are not on average 3% Semitic, where the fk did you get that from?

Ben badnaa. Somalis are made up of different races. You don't consider Dir and Hawiye to be related do you?


You are less homogeneous as the West Africans and almost as heterogeneous as the Europeans and Asians.

"In Somalis, 14 Y chromosome haplogroups were identified"

"In sub-Saharan Western Africans, only four haplogroups were identified"

"The haplotype diversity of eight Y-STRs ('minimal haplotype') was 0.9575 compared to an average of 0.9974 and 0.9996 in European and Asian populations."

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v13/n7/full/5201390a.html

"WE IZ ONLY 3% SEMITIC"... Speak for yourself Nilotic ass nigga

Of course Hawiye and Dir are related. All Somalis are related.

Also haplogroups are irrelevant when determining ancestry.

Now show me on study that conclusively proves that somalis have a considerable portion of Semetic DNA. I'll wait.

Somalis are different races kulaha. That's why you have to ask someone they're qabil instead of just knowing when you see them. I don't have to ask if an indhoyar is Asian, I can tell just by looking at him.

 

[Layth]

Of course Hawiye and Dir are related. All Somalis are related.

Also haplogroups are irrelevant when determining ancestry.

Now show me on study that conclusively proves that somalis have a considerable portion of Semetic DNA. I'll wait.

Somalis are different races kulaha. That's why you have to ask someone they're qabil instead of just knowing when you see them. I don't have to ask if an indhoyar is Asian, I can tell just by looking at him.

If you knew anything about Somali culture, you'd know that race and lineage are inherited paternally. If an individual for example, has an Arab father, they're considered Arab; regardless of the mother's background.

LMFAO @ DIR AND HAWIYE ARE RELATED LOLOLOL

They consider you to be a nigga. Dir have the highest rate of haplogroup T in the world at ~82%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184#Africa

Stop being a fcking sheegato and claiming people as your family.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

If you knew anything about Somali culture, you'd know that race and lineage are inherited paternally. If an individual for example, has an Arab father, they're considered Arab; regardless of the mother's background.

LMFAO @ DIR AND HAWIYE ARE RELATED LOLOLOL

They consider you to be a nigga. Dir have the highest rate of haplogroup T in the world at ~82%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_T-M184#Africa

Stop being a fcking sheegato and claiming people as your family.

You still never showed me prove that Somalis have large Semetic component to their DNA.

I'm not a fucking sheegato, but you have to be fucking retarded to no admit that all Somali clans intermarried frequent with one another all throughout history. That makes them related. There's not such thing as someone who's 100% Darod all the way down the line. It's fantasy.

 

[Layth]

You still never showed me prove that Somalis have large Semetic component to their DNA.

I'm not a fucking sheegato, but you have to be fucking retarded to no admit that all Somali clans intermarried frequent with one another all throughout history. That makes them related. There's not such thing as someone who's 100% Darod all the way down the line. It's fantasy.

It doesn't make them related. The mother's background doesn't count. In Somali and Arab culture, race is inherited paternally. Someone could be 99% Bantu with an authentic Arabian lineage and thus be considered Arab.

You're living in a bubble bro.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

It doesn't make them related. The mother's background doesn't count. In Somali and Arab culture, race is inherited paternally. Someone could be 99% Bantu with an authentic Arabian lineage and thus be considered Arab.

You're living in a bubble bro.

So your cousin on your mom's side isn't actually your cousin? He's just a stranger?

I know how lineage works in Somalia, but if for example you're father is Dhulbahante and your mother is Habr Gidir, that means you're Dhulbahante but you still have familial relations with Habr Gidir. You're fathers lineage takes primacy, but in practice and everyday life that doesn't mean your mothers lineage is irrelevant. You're working off the theory, I'm going by how things work in real life.

Someone could be 99% Bantu with an authentic Arabian lineage and thus be considered Arab.

You're right about this, but the problem is Somalis don't have authentic Arabian lineage. It's a myth. If Sheikh Darod and Sheikh Isaaq actually existed, they were Somali men. Refer to the link I posted earlier.

http://anthromadness.blogspot.ca/2015/06/the-interestingly-fraudulent-nature-of.html

 

[Layth]

So your cousin on your mom's side isn't actually your cousin? He's just a stranger?

I know how lineage works in Somalia, but if for example you're father is Dhulbahante and your mother is Habr Gidir, that means you're Dhulbahante but you still have familial relations with Habr Gidir. You're fathers lineage takes primacy, but in practice and everyday life that doesn't mean your mothers lineage is irrelevant. You're working of the theory, I'm going by how things work in real life.


You're right about this, but the problem is Somalis don't have authentic Arabian lineage. It's a myth. If Sheikh Darod and Sheikh Isaaq actually existed, they were Somali men. Refer to the link I posted earlier.

http://anthromadness.blogspot.ca/2015/06/the-interestingly-fraudulent-nature-of.html

This is the very definition of willful ignorance. Ninyahow stop strawmanning me. Your maternal cousin is still your cousin laakin you can't claim to be the same race/tribe as them if you're not of the same paternal stock.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

This is the very definition of willful ignorance. Nayaa stop strawmanning me. You're maternal cousin is still your cousin laakin you can't claim to be the same race/tribe.

You're not the same tribe, but you're still related. Which is what I said in the previous post that you objected to.

Somalis are different clans, but they're all the same ethnic group and same race, and they're all related. Lol at Somalis being a different race. Someones race or ethnicity is usually visible the moment you set eyes on them. Most of the time you can tell if someone is Somali just by looking at them, but you won't be able to guess their clan.

 

[McLovin]

Qabiil is a social construct but ethnicity is tangible. You 0.5ers will always be seen as the genetic outlier so no point trying to divide us, if it were up to me I'd have you in boats or forcefully cushitised

:siilaanyosmile:

 

[Mudug-Madman]

Qabiil is a social construct but ethnicity is tangible. You 0.5ers will always be seen as the genetic outlier so no point trying to divide us, if it were up to me I'd have you in boats or forcefully cushitised

:siilaanyosmile:

Is it a coincidence that both 0.5ers in this thread are advocating strongly that Somalis are separated into different races? I wonder what the motivation could be behind that?

 

[McLovin]

Is it a coincidence that both 0.5ers in this thread are advocating strongly that Somalis are separated into different races? I wonder what the motivation could be behind that?

Langaabs gonna langaab
:siilaanyolaugh:

 

[Layth]

Is it a coincidence that both 0.5ers in this thread are advocating strongly that Somalis are separated into different races? I wonder what the motivation could be behind that?

Somali culture is patriarchal and lineage based. Ain't no-one give a damn about what your 8th grandmother was. Go up to a person from Beesha Direed and tell them that you share the same forefathers as them and see what reaction you get. I don't understand why you don't want to claim your own forefather. Race is according to one's paternal lineage in Somali culture, this is a well-known fact. If a Somali girl married out, her kids will not be considered Somali. It's like the Iraqi Biradaris of the Indian subcontinent claiming to be punjabis due to intermarriage.

"my great great great great grandparents belonged to all sorts of Somali tribes so we're all related".

 

[Lucifer]

Different races kulaha

 

[Mudug-Madman]

Somali culture is patriarchal and lineage based. Ain't no-one give a damn about what your 8th grandmother was. Go up to a person from Beesha Direed and tell them that you share the same forefathers as them and see what reaction you get. I don't understand why you don't want to claim your own forefather. Race is according to one's paternal lineage in Somali culture, this is a well-known fact. If a Somali girl married out, her kids will not be considered Somali. It's like the Iraqi Biradaris of the Indian subcontinent claiming to be punjabis due to intermarriage.

"my great great great great grandparents belonged to all sorts of Somali tribes so we're all related".

I didn't reject my forefather. I'm claiming that he's Somali, not Arab. Somalis are one ethnic group.

As for the rest of your post, it's just one big strawman.