Are you a Somali before you are a Muslim or are you Muslim before you are a Somali?

[McLovin]

Big talk from a guy whose people don't even control any lands. You're living under the thumb of MJs like @TheLibertarianQuiche who accept Somalia as a multicultural country of immigrants and fight your nationalist fantasies from becoming reality.

Its good to see your true and barbaric agenda coming to light. That whole progress and championing minority rights was nothing more than a front.

Self funded town of Waciye

Less than 20 years old. Tell me what you rivercoons have built in your hundreds of years of existence besides mudhuts


Don't send for a harti or you will always come out lackin

 

[Mudug-Madman]

50% was just an estimation on my behalf. It could be much higher than that. All the Warsengalis I've seen so far were J though.

So your data is incomplete? Why the f*ck are we even arguing then? You're just pulling numbers out your ass.

Serves me right for taking what a Jew says at face value.

 

[Bahal]

Qabiil is a social construct but ethnicity is tangible. You 0.5ers will always be seen as the genetic outlier so no point trying to divide us, if it were up to me I'd have you in boats or forcefully cushitised

:siilaanyosmile:

 

[Layth]

So your data is incomplete? Why the f*ck are we even arguing then? You're just pulling numbers out your ass.

Serves me right for taking what a Jew says at face value.

Look. I'm seriously starting to think that you're suffering from certain cognitive difficulties, perhaps sluggish cognitive tempo among many; but I'll assume you're just high to be generous.

There's evidence that Somali tribes are not paternally related. This is the main point.

 

[McLovin]

What have you done to me

 

[Bahal]

What have you done to me

Welcome to the right side of history.

 

[Mudug-Madman]

Look. I'm seriously starting to think that you're suffering from certain cognitive difficulties, perhaps sluggish cognitive tempo among many; but I'll assume you're just high to be generous.

There's evidence that Somali tribes are not paternally related. This is the main point.

Cruciani et al. (2007) suggest that this sub-clade of E-V12 originated in North Africa, and then subsequently expanded further south into the Horn of Africa, where it is now prevalent.[Note 3] Before the discovery of V32, Cruciani et al. (2004) referred to the same lineages as the "gamma cluster", which was estimated to have arisen about 8,500 years ago. They stated that "the highest frequencies in the three Cushitic-speaking groups: the Borana from Kenya (71.4%), the Oromo from Ethiopia (32.0%), and the Somali (52.2%). Outside of eastern Africa, it was found only in two subjects from Egypt (3.6%) and in one Arab from Morocco". Sanchez et al. (2005) found it extremely prominent in Somali men and stated that "the male Somali population is a branch of the Horn African population – closely related to the Oromos in Ethiopia and North Kenya (Boranas)" and that their gamma cluster lineages "probably were introduced into the Somali population 4000–5000 years ago". More recently, Tillmar et al. (2009) typed 147 males from Somalia for 12 Y-STR loci, and observed that 77% (113/147) had typical E-V32 haplotypes. This is currently the highest frequency of E-V32 found in any single sample population. Similarly, Hassan et al. (2008) in their study observed this to be the most common of the sub-clades of E-M78 found in Sudan, especially among the Beja, Masalit and Fur. The Beja, like Somalis and Oromos, speak an Afro-Asiatic language and live along the "corridor" from the Horn of Africa to Egypt. Hassan et al. (2008) interpret this as reinforcing the "strong correlation between linguistic and genetic diversity" and signs of relatedness between the Beja and the peoples of the Horn of Africa such as the Amhara and Oromo. On the other hand, the Masalit and Fur live in Darfur and speak a Nilo-Saharan language. The authors observed in their study that "the Masalit possesses by far the highest frequency of the E-M78 and of the E-V32 haplogroup", which they believe suggests "either a recent bottleneck in the population or a proximity to the origin of the haplogroup." However, More recently, Tillmar et al. (2009) typed 147 males from Somalia for 12 Y-STR loci, and observed that 77% (113/147) had typical E-V32 haplotypes. This is the highest frequency of E-V32 found in any single sample population.

Somalis do not get their paternal lineages from the Arabian peninsula. You still haven't given me any proof that they do.

He have many different haplogroups because we're an ancient population. But we're all Cushitic at the end of the day. Different haplogroups =/= different race, you hook-nosed, hairy Semite. GTFO.

Show me proof Somalis are related to Peninsula Arabs. If you can't show me that, then this discussion is over.

 

[Layth]

Somalis do not get their paternal lineages from the Arabian peninsula. You still haven't given me any proof that they do.

He have many different haplogroups because we're an ancient population. But we're all Cushitic at the end of the day. Different haplogroups =/= different race, you hook-nosed, hairy Semite. GTFO.

Show me proof Somalis are related to Peninsula Arabs. If you can't show me that, then this discussion is over.

@AbdiJohnson is antisemitism allowed?

Anyway Mudug, haplogroup T and J are both Eurasian haplogroups. No one who's even remotely acquainted with haplotypes would deny this. Sheekhaal are R1a; another Eurasian haplotype.

The matter is clear as daylight. If you want to continue living a lie do so at your own peril.

Let's agree to disagree bro.

 

[Lucifer]

You all sound like AAs who claim everyone and everything under the sun in America that does not look 100% European. I'd even say there is more phenotypical variation among "Somalis" than there are in many countries in South America. You have so-called ethnic Somalis as light as Arabs, as dark as Africans, and of varying heights and hair types. Yet people want to claim that these people are more homogeneous than AAs? That's some straight comedy right there.

0.5

 

[DeathWish]

Are you a Somali before you are a Muslim or are you Muslim before you are a Somali? Is Ali from Saudi Arabia who is Muslim dearer to you than Liban from Somalia who is a non Muslim.

I am Muslim first and Somali second.

 

[The_Cosmos]

How can I even expect to get into a rational discussion with someone who thinks he "check-mated" me before the discussion even began?

Do you see what I'm talking about? We can't even come together because we can't agree on common premises, so why even bother getting into a discussion in the first place?

To have a rational discussion both sides must engage. You already disengaged by asserting belief in fantasies.

 

[OmarLittle]

Human first.

Collective identities are very dangerous and prone to being manipulated by ideologues and demagogues.

Somalis need to adopt individualism.

 

[Jubba_Man]

No he's living alongside MJs like me who are staunch nationalists. If he's living under our thumb, then so are your brothers and sisters who have a large community in Garowe.

There's hardly a "community" in Garowe. MJs are not nationalist. They would much rather host a "0,5" in their region than an individual from an opposing clan whom they supposedly share an ethnicity with. You only see so-called nationalist sites like these and its say wallahi kids who grew up in the diaspora and wield absolutely no influence.

Actually, yes you can. Another example is cadaan families who have members with different hair colours but all have the same mother and father. Again, you imposing your Bantu situation on others.

As the evidence mounts and people become more educated, many Somalis will realize the lineages they believed in the past are false. I'm doing my small part in educating our people, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

So you claim you all are phenotypically diverse, and yet you also claim you can tell a Somali apart from other ethnics based on appearance alone. These two statements cannot be simultaneously true. Cadaans are completely a different story. Even if they look different, people still know they are cadaan at the end of the day. With so-called homogeneous Somalis, you have people who look like they are from South America, the Arabian peninsula, or central Africa all apparently from the same ethnicity.

And I wish you well in your endeavors. Most Somalis in real life will get violent with you real quick if you even imply that their ancestor doesn't exist and their abtirsi is a fabrication.

 

[Jubba_Man]

Self funded town of Waciye

Less than 20 years old. Tell me what you rivercoons have built in your hundreds of years of existence besides mudhuts


Don't send for a harti or you will always come out lackin

Come back to me when your unknown people build a modern skyline like this:

By my estimates, it will probably take another 1800 years at the rate you are going.

A true langaab talking about some damn Harti. You clearly feel too ashamed in claiming your own people and thus have to cling onto the achievements of others.

 

[DeathWish]

Come back to me when your unknown people build a modern skyline like this:

By my estimates, it will probably take another 1800 years at the rate you are going.

A true langaab talking about some damn Harti. You clearly feel too ashamed in claiming your own people and thus have to cling onto the achievements of others.

What city is that?

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

@DeathWish its Luanda

 

[DeathWish]

@DeathWish its Luanda

Thanks walal

 

[DeathWish]

Somalis must unite and think about qabil later. Our lands are under attack by Kenya and Ethiopia. If we don't unite then this will happen.

We will lose everything over our petty differences. Somalinimo should be before qabil.

 

[McLovin]

Come back to me when your unknown people build a modern skyline like this:

You clearly feel too ashamed in claiming your own people and thus have to cling onto the achievements of others.

:siilaanyolaugh:
I could say the same about you. Claiming the achievement of mulatto Bantus and Chinese workers now? Wallahi you rivercoons are running amok

 

[Layth]

:siilaanyolaugh:
I could say the same about you. Claiming the achievement of mulatto Bantus and Chinese workers now? Wallahi you rivercoons are running amok

You claim to be homogeneous; something that even the Papuans are not bold enough to confer upon themselves.

At least he's related to Kenyans paternally, making them of the same stock.