Awdal state welcomes Ethiopia to take over Zeila port

[GaradShabeel]

We should tell them close the rivers if you want, when they get your ports eventually they will drain up the rivers anyways.

Are you serious? Millions of people are dependent on the rivers in Somalia. It’s one thing to anticipate that our access may decrease in the future, but you want them, with your permission, to dry up the rivers? Come on

 

[Garaad diinle]

Reer awdal are proud somalis and pro somali unity, non of them would ever spout such nonsense. The awdal state movement itself is pro somali unity and they have reaffirmed their believe this very month.

 

[Three Moons]

They annexed Harar a century and half ago, and they never stopped drooling over Zayla ever since. The difference between Ethiopian leaders and the current crop of Somali leaders is that the former is well versed in history and understands the symbolic value of that city, while the latter is still stuck in 91’ and can’t envision anything beyond next Tuesday.

 

[Awd]

Sxb I have never dismissed reer awdal genuine concerns regarding the lack of development in the awdal region and there are many people from beesha dhexe who are focal for reer awdal quest for proper power sharing

Also I am not against if reer awdal ever wanted additional authority over awdal region or even building awdal state aslong as the land belong to somalis

But you are missing somethings here sxb, somaliland isnt only wajale berbera corridor, and any other area apart from this tiny strip is actually less developed than awdal, there is no meaninful project anything east of hargeysa all the way to waqdariya or darwayne except the burco erigavo road, people even lack clean water inside hargeysa and burco which is the third largest city in somaliwayn has the worst infrastructure by far, they got two bridges I think, and one of them is called jidka siraad cuz you have got 50% chance of falling down from it let alone airports, roads or whatever

So should we also consider inviting ethiopians as a better alternative cuz the hargeysa adminstration doest want us build our deegaans with our resources?

The other thing is people are ignoring here is, ethiopia wants port to annex, not necessarily zeylac, so the question is why are the other nations get alarmed and somalis disorting it as an investment plan and why its only somalis thats posting stuff like this awdal movement's lowkey and desperate BS

You're absolutely right Mudane, I completely agree with you . Facts

 

[Cartan Boos]

kkkk crazy

 

[Djokovic]

Any port that Ethiopia takes will become there land as they want a navy and army base on the sea this is basically occupation wouldn’t be suprised to see some new islamist groups formed in the area if this ever looked like a possibility of happening

 

[Hilmaam]

This shows the dangers of FMS which opens cracks and divisions for Ethiopia and foreigners to exploit.

I do think this is negotiation tactic to get port built. Most ports built/upgraded in Somalia post 1990 involves foreign companies who then take ownership for X amount of years. I think bebebera it’s Dubai owns 60% for 30 years, bossaso dubai company owns stake, Mogadishu Turkish company owns stake, even Djibouti ports Chinese and Dubai companies own major stakes. Awdal state is proposing something similar as it’s happening everywhere else in Somalia. Ethiopia even at one point had ownership percentage of port in Somaliland. Ethiopia doesn’t dare to take port by force they are weak aid state. But risk is greedy leaders signing bad deal that enriches them short term and hurts people long term. Awdal can find much better deal with Chinese or gulf countries. Ethiopia to arrogant with navy formation and entitlement to somali lands

 

[Awd]

It wasn't the first time the Gadabursi signed a treaty with a foreign power to have access to the Awdal coast. The French - Gadabursi treaty of 1885 was supposed to achieve this for the French:

Source: Ministère des Colonies-Traités (1687-1911) https://recherche-anom.culture.gouv.fr/ark:/61561/uq106dx000r

TRAITÉ DE PROTECTORAT SUR LES TERRITOIRES DU PAYS DES GADA-BOURSIS

English translation:
"Between the undersigned J. Henry, Consular Agent of France and Dependencies at Harrar-Zeilah, and Nour Roblé, Ougasse of the Gada-boursis, independent sovereign of the whole country of the Gada-boursis, and to safeguard the interests of the latter who is asking for the protectorate of France,

It was agreed as follows:

Art. 1st – The territories belonging to Ougasse Nour-Roblé of the Gada-boursis from "Arawa" to "Hélo" from "Hélô" to Lebah-lé", from "Lebah-lé" to "Coulongarèta" extreme limit by Zeilah, are placed directly under the protection of France.

Art. 2 – The French government will have the option of opening one or more commercial ports on the coast belonging to the territory of the Gada-boursis.

Art. 3 The French government will have the option of establishing customs in the posts open to trade, and on the points of the borders of the territory of the Gada-boursis where it deems it necessary. Customs tariffs will be set by the French government, and the revenues will be applied to public services.

Art. 4 – Regulations for the administration of the country will be elaborated later by the French government. In agreement with the Ougasse of the Gada-boursis they will always be revisable at the will of the French government, a French resident may be established on the territory of the Gada-boursis to sanction by his presence the protectorate of France.

Art. 5 – The troops and the police of the country will be raised among the natives, and will be placed under the superior command of an officer designated by the French government. Arms and ammunition for the native troops may be provided by the French government and their balance taken from the public revenues, but, in case of insufficiency, the French government may provide for them.

Art. 6 – The Ougasse of the Gada-boursis, to recognize the good practices of France towards it, undertakes to protect the caravan routes and mainly to protect French trade, throughout the extent of its territory.

Art. 7 – The Ougasse of the Gada-boursis undertakes not to make any treaty with any other power, without the assistance and consent of the French government.

Art. 8 – A monthly allowance will be paid to the Ougasse of the Gada-boursis by the French government, this allowance will be fixed later, by a special convention, after the ratification of this treaty by the French government.

Art. 9 – This treaty was made voluntarily and signed by the Ougasse of the Gada-boursis, which undertakes to execute it faithfully and to adopt the French flag as its flag.

In witness whereof the undersigned have affixed their stamps and signatures.

J.Henry

Signature of Ougasse

Done at Zeilah on 9 Djemmad 1302 (March 25, 1885)."

— Traité de protectorat de la France sur les territoires du pays des Gada-boursis, 9 Djemmad 1302 (March 25, 1885), Zeilah.

Ministère des Colonies-Traités (1687-1911) https://recherche-anom.culture.gouv.fr/ark:/61561/uq106dx000r

 

[The Midlands]

Somaliland plans to join Ethiopia if she gives up on SSC so why not Reer Awdal oo lagu gorgortamayo?
They have good education but still are behind the Isaaqs economically and when it comes to the opportiunuties when they can have their own port. Jibril Abukar Habar Awal are claiming Sacadiin Awdal Islands.

Even there is big economic disparity between Habar Awal and Garxajis

https://fb.watch/nHHVvIq8yR/

 

[Awd]

Somaliland plans to join Ethiopia if she gives up on SSC so why not Reer Awdal oo lagu gorgortamayo?
They have good education but still are behind the Isaaqs economically and when it comes to the opportiunuties when they can have their own port. Jibril Abukar Habar Awal are claiming Sacadiin Awdal Islands.

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Even there is big economic disparity between Habar Awal and Garxajis

https://fb.watch/nHHVvIq8yR/

How are HA claiming the islands, care to elaborate?

 

[The Midlands]

How are HA claiming the islands, care to elaborate?

in Wikipedia. I was like oo goormay dhaafeen maxamed Case in Lughaye

Maybe it's empty of inhabitants so they are moving in

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacadin

 

[Awd]

in Wikipedia. I was like oo goormay dhaafeen maxamed Case in Lughaye

Maybe it's empty of inhabitants so they are moving in

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacadin

Ahh Wikipedia, unsourced. Typical. It's uninhabited anyway. Nobody lives there. It comes under the Zeila district and the military commanders that is responsible for the security of the islands are both Sareeye Yusuf Iman Diiriye who is Reer Maxamed, Maxamed Case and General Col Taliye Colhaye who is Bahabar Celi, Maxamed Case:

Just to add some information, there has never been one Isaaq let alone HA local government representative in Zeila district ever in history. So it's like Warsangeli claiming Beledweyne or Dhuusamareeb.

 

[Awd]

Also take into consideration that all the most important private land in Saylac belong to one specific family. The current Somaliland coordinator of Religious affairs in Saylac, Sh Ibrahim Aw Kaariye Qawdhan Saylici is the owner and custodian of the most famous religious sites in the town namely Masjid Qiblatain and the tomb of Shaykh Ibrahim Al Zaylici. He owns the land that contains both the landmark Tomb and Masjid Qiblatain. He inherited the keys to these sites from his forefathers who held ownership of these sites for over 200-300 years. He comes from the Gadabursi Bahabar Muuse subclan. His family are custodians of Masjid Qiblatain and the tomb of Shaykh Zaylici aswell.

This was an interview with him by Hereri:

 

[Ismacilssc]

Djibouti and SL are ok with this on paper but they will collaborate to try and make sure it never works. It's not in their interests that another port is revived between Djibouti and Berbera. However the question is can they stop it? The answer is no. The Ethiopian government, the World Bank, the African Development Bank and other institutions have signed this off as an emerging project of elevated importance. Some actors in the region may try and disrupt it by creating instability but it won't work.

Lol ur a little khat addict aren't u please stop spewing nonsense it clearly states that nothing will be done without the direct permission from the somalia government wake up and smell the coffees

 

[The Midlands]

What a strategic region

 

[Arkan]

I always ask myself why Gadabuursi are subordinate to Isaaq and Ciise and don't benefit from their strategic location.
Don't they have access to the sea between Isaaq and Ciise? I heard the reason is they are badly divided into a coastal pro SL like maxamed Case and pro Awdal State from Boorama. They are competing on vice president currently held by Saylici besides Isaaq-Ciise Jeegaan against them in Saylac.

We benefit from our strategic location as we control the customs and trade route to Djibouti, enabling us to freely push produce from our land in Ethiopia and Awdal to Djibouti. The economics, politics, and security of the region is in our hands and many are satisfied with it, but some want more. That does not mean we are subordinates. That's like me saying Reer Hiraan are subordinates to Guudlawe/Abgaal, but I suppose that's not true for you either if you control your lands, no?

And we have sea access. It was not long ago Gadabursi were smuggling arms in from Yemen and now it's used by Gadabursi fishing community and Gadabursi coastal forces.

Maxamed Case are not competing for VP. It's Saylici, Saajin, and Abdillahi Dheere competing who are Bahabar Celi/Maxamed Case, Jibril Yonis/Makahil, and Musafiin/Habar Cafan. Funnily, Ahmed Samatar who's also Bahabar Abokor/Maxamed Case vyed for his own political party to then become president. Heck, the Leader of Awdal State Movement, Cali Bahar is Abrayn/Maxamed Case. It's a lot more complicated than you think.

 

[Haragwaafi]

Why are our diaspora in the west so clannist and want to seek destruction instead of promoting developments and investments?

 

[Arkan]

@Awdalite @Arkan Sxb you have got something to explain here, actually everyone who is willing to invest in awdal is welcome as long as they are abiding by thr international laws but the case is different here

Ethiopian PM unequivocally said they want a port to seize, if he actually wanted a port to invest or import things he already had many ports in many countries but he wants a port to annex so that they won't pay taxes to djibouti, kenya and eritrea.

So why the so called awdal movement distorting the reality and making things look like as if ethiopia want a place to invest, what do actually reer awdal would gain if ethiopia occupies awdal( tho impossible) other than millions of amhara and oromo pouring into your lands to outnumber you in a matter of 1 or 2 years?

Why do this AM consider this blatant existential threat as an economic opportunity when infact every other country whose port is mentioned get alarmed? Eritreans are all out responding to this provocation, so are eritreans dump to see this opportunity or is it our country that is up for sale?

Time to wake up awoow, abiy just want a port to annex, and if so no reer would get a penny out of it, just like ciise living around the rail road with no single ciise even get hired, so lets not invite foreigners into our lanďs or else we gonna be next Palestinians

The folks are consfused and dump as hell, imagine someone threatening to annex your lands and you are here extending warm welcome to any aggressor, qabiil made this country hopeless

I swear Isaaq become pro somaliwayn when it concerns Gadabursi and their dealings with Ethiopia.

Sxb I have never dismissed reer awdal genuine concerns regarding the lack of development in the awdal region and there are many people from beesha dhexe who are focal for reer awdal quest for proper power sharing

Also I am not against if reer awdal ever wanted additional authority over awdal region or even building awdal state aslong as the land belong to somalis

But you are missing somethings here sxb, somaliland isnt only wajale berbera corridor, and any other area apart from this tiny strip is actually less developed than awdal, there is no meaninful project anything east of hargeysa all the way to waqdariya or darwayne except the burco erigavo road, people even lack clean water inside hargeysa and burco which is the third largest city in somaliwayn has the worst infrastructure by far, they got two bridges I think, and one of them is called jidka siraad cuz you have got 50% chance of falling down from it let alone airports, roads or whatever

So should we also consider inviting ethiopians as a better alternative cuz the hargeysa adminstration doest want us build our deegaans with our resources?

The other thing is people are ignoring here is, ethiopia wants port to annex, not necessarily zeylac, so the question is why are the other nations get alarmed and somalis disorting it as an investment plan and why its only somalis thats posting stuff like this awdal movement's lowkey and desperate BS

Other regions outside of Saahil and Maroodi Jeex are incomparable to Awdal. In the 2021 budget analysis, Awdal was shown to produces more in revenue than Toghdeer, Sool and Sanaag combined. The economic value of the regions are not comparable.

Toghdeer actually lives off the revenue collected from the western regions. In the 2023 budget outlook both Ceel Afweyn and Burco are in a revenue deficit despite getting large budget allocations and development. Check Ceerigaabo too.

 

[Haragwaafi]

I swear Isaaq become pro somaliwayn when it concerns Gadabursi and their prospected dealings with Ethiopia.

Other regions outside of Saahil and Maroodi Jeex are incomparable to Awdal. In the 2021 budget analysis, Awdal was shown to produces more in revenue than Toghdeer, Sool and Sanaag combined. The economic value of the regions are not comparable. View attachment 299258
Toghdeer actually lives off the revenue collected from the western regions. In the 2023 budget outlook both Ceel Afweyn and Burco are in a revenue deficit despite getting large budget allocations and development. View attachment 299262

Awdal waa Somaliland

 

[Arkan]

Somaliland plans to join Ethiopia if she gives up on SSC so why not Reer Awdal oo lagu gorgortamayo?
They have good education but still are behind the Isaaqs economically and when it comes to the opportiunuties when they can have their own port. Jibril Abukar Habar Awal are claiming Sacadiin Awdal Islands.

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Even there is big economic disparity between Habar Awal and Garxajis

https://fb.watch/nHHVvIq8yR/

What a strategic region

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Jibril Abokor don't settle on the coast, let alone Sacadadiin or Saylac. Infact, Maxamed Case sub of Bahabar Muuse live in Cali Xaydh district which is 35km away from Hargeisa. It's also closer to Hargeisa than Borama.