Bosaso Vs Hargeisa Population. Dr Estimates

[DR OSMAN]

Bosaso proper is 5 kilometers in length and 3.5 kilometers wide it has an area of 15 kilometers. But there is a side settlement that is 1 kilometer length x 1 kilometer width also that is an area of 1 kilometer in area. So Bosaso is about 16 kilometers in area space. There is slightly IDP camps not worth counting to small and other scattered settlements near the farms and airport but it's not significant for a land area estimation.

Hargeisa is 6 kilometers length yet it's 7 kilometer in width. It has an area of 42 kilometers. There is not much difference in population between Hargeisa and Bosaso in real term population and I say that while Bosaso has a smaller land area then Hargeisa, but it is high density, they actually fill up their land area, where-as Hargeisa has many empty spaces in that 42 kilometer land area.

Then we must account for the fact of Bosaso being surrounded by many tuulos and hargeisa not a single tuulo outside of it, then there is the nomadic population to take into account and we know how massive bari land mass and it's pasture for nomadic population and it's massive. You can tell be the amount of wells, sand dams, and water catchments in a region to indicate how big their livestock population must be, you don't build such water infrastructure or have large quantities of it unless there is a large livestock in the area. The larger the livestock population the larger number of nomadic households because one or two families can't own 1 million livestock, it would be divided conservatively probably 30 livestock per household to generate a household count.

What's your views guys? Lets do real population estimates using a Dr formula, factors(water wells, livestock populations, households, land area, mathamatics) apply equations for households such as 5 per house-hold, apply comparisons against similar sized land area and household populations in the world which are census counted to see how accurate our estimations are. For example we can take Washington DC land area, find out its population and divide it up and see how many live in Washington in say Hargeisa land area of 42 kilometer and Bosaso land area of 15 kilometerto see the accuracy of our estimations, if we get similar figures in washington dc using somali city land masses, we know we getting close to reality.

That's how Majerten do stuff, not this nonsense of getting historical colonial records which are 1950 and all guess work because they never did a count nor provided the methodology, it's like somalispot guy just saying hargeisa a million when it's really 83k after mathamatics is applied to google earth.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I did notice on Google earth the airport road doesn't go completely to the airport. It goes half-way to the airport and then replaced by dirt road to complete the last leg to the brand new spanking Bosaso Airport. Plus nothing has been paved around parking area and it's all dirt roads still.

I'll only do Galkacyo when baraxlay is identified by locals on here but I suspect it's very small population and 80% of galkacyo is Majerten. Qardho-Garowe-Burtinle-Bacadwayne-Qandala will give us a strong boost in numbers also against the Tukaraq enemy Idoor. Then the smaller settlements and tuulos by adding it all up like eyl-garacad-bayla-xafun-isku shuban-Caluula-Baargaal will give us the slaughter hand on the idoor cause they don't have tuulos to add up besides gabiley that is comparable to our smallest tuulo similar to qandala or less. Then the slaughter hand comes in miyi counts and bringing out the livestock and comparing daaqsin size. Idoor will run to get all dir camels and then ask harti waqoyi to combine because las anod till borame is only 500 kilometers, bosaso to galkacyo is 750 kilometers. He will even run to jabuti for help but we will take half out of jabuti for canfar.

If Idoor try that shit getting all dir and harti waqoyi to combine against majerten, we will call upon wardheer and jubaland majertens if they seek to go outside somaliland proper of 500 kilometer. I want a comparison between Puntland and Somaliland to end this crap who is larger. But I mean all somaliland including ssc-awdal-idoor combined and I still think we come out on top with a good margin.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Who is the larger clan Majerten (Puntland, Wardheer, Jubbaland majerten combined) or Dir Waqoyi(Jabuti, Awdal, Isaaq, Dir Ethiopians and Dir Southerners, Harti Waqoyi)? I honestly think Majerten are still larger. Somalis are fooled by sub-clans thinking it means the sub-clan must be lesser in number and comparable to other sub-clans of other clans. For example they see Majerten as a sub-clan so they assume he can't be the same size as dhulbahante-warsangeli-Isaaq-Jabuti-Dir koonfureed and Ethiopia combined. That's not true.

Wacaysle is a sub sub clan yet it's far larger then say a clan like Sheikhal all combined together and possibly larger then Murusade-Hawadle Combined, I haven't looked into Wacaysle but they are the largest abgaal clan and it's cause they REER MIYI their on camels, that's where real population of Somalis are, their on camels not settlements necessarily. If you don't have nomads you are laangaab in Somalia, it doesn't matter if you have settlements look at Rahanwayn it has no camel herder and it's a doomed langaab because all he has to rely on is settlements and settlements are small as you can see.

Plus it wouldn't be fair to combine Harti against say Somaliland, that's just totally wrongggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg and hence I allow them to use the Harti in their count because waxan ahay niin landheeraha aan baqaynin, waxan ahay majerten sida buurtasi uu balaartay

Mahmah are real in Somalia because you can't use a mahmah that is based on lies as it wouldn't be deemed a mahmah in the first place or proverb. A proverb has to be grounded in truth or else noone can measure it's wisdom.

Sheikh Ali Majerten On Islamic Mission to convert Oromos into Islam

Baha baha hadday tahay bahda Haajiraan ahay
Binu Cuqayl biyaha Jeberti nin ka beermay baan ahay
Daarood bartiisiyo beerkiyo laftaan ahay
Dadku baari kala roone baafane Hartaan ahay
Majeerteenka sida buurta u ballaartay baan ahay
Cumarkaas(Reer Cumar) burhaantiis bogga loo geshaan ahay
Boqorku waa Jibraahiile anna baashigaan ahay.

I am Dr Osman, I got nothing to fear from Somali clan. Niin ka soo jeedo beel wayn sida buurtasi uu balaartay baan ahay, My clan has spread out into such a large number it's only comparable to mountains, when your a mountain you got nothing to fear from small hills in hargeisa do you? Bari has huge mountains ma fahamtay that's what he is referring to, where as all you have in hargeisa is small hills naaso hablood ma garatay? your little naaso hablood verse karkaar mountain range? come on that's what it's like when you compare Majerten and Isaaq. Compare Majerten Dir Waqoyi and then add Jabuti and Harti Waqoyi and it's still less then us.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Who is the largest clan in Majerten? Do you think I would say Osman Maxamud just because I am osman maxamud? nooooooooooooo wayyyyyyyyyyyyy. It's omar maxamud by a long shot, it's not even close in terms of numbers. See being real is what you should do, not just troll isaaq is a million or that sade clown running around with sade on the brain for everything and how sade is this and that.

Big ups to Omar Maxamud, waa landheeraha Majerten weeye. The question who takes second spot between Osman and Isse and Ali Saleban, that's all. Yo who do the Omar Maxamud think is the real valid second landheere of Majerten, notice the landheere is always given the highest voice and why we all turn to sayidka because he has nothing to gain by lying about other tribe, he knows his already the largest and why all clan consider him a neutral voice on other somali clans.

So all omar maxamud come in and speak on who you think is the second largest clan in the majerten. It's a race between Osman Maxamud-Isse Maxamud-Ali saleban. Some may leave Isse behind and say it will be a tight one between Osman Maxamud and Ali saleban

 

[DR OSMAN]

For whatever it is worth guys. I just measured Mogadishu land mass. It's 16 kilometers vertical and 7 kilometers wide. It has a land area of a whooping 112 kilometers. That is 3 times the size of Hargeisa. So if Hargeisa is 80k X by 3 times. 210k is the population of Mogadishu. I was pretty close huh with my initial guess without measuring it.

If Bosaso is 16 kilometers, you would expect it to be around 40k population. Depends on households of course, I think Bosaso has more children due to poverty levels being less and they can afford to get married, where-as poverty levels are higher in hargeisa so a broke person is unlikely to find a bride and breed. Plus I am suspicious of Hargeisa land area because it sprawls heavily due to lack of town planning, mogadishu is well planned and every area is accounted for, where-as that isn't the case in Hargeisa.

Bosaso has poor planning too but it's density is tight as hell. Density level is low in hargeisa, way to much space in between properties, so in Bosaso in 100 meter area you fit 100 homes, in Hargeisa 30 homes. So it doesn't come down to land area only, it comes down to density and how much homes are in each space

 

[DR OSMAN]

I'll do Bosaso house count but it's very possible that bosaso has twice the homes of hargeisa yet a smaller land area. You can have 100 homes in 100 meters of space if you eliminate the space in between, where-as you can have only 30 homes in 100 meter space if u have huge space in between. Do you guys follow what I mean mathamatically. It's also about how you use your land area that counts not just your land area is big and that's all that matters.

So Bosaso is putting up a fight against Hargeisa for the second spot niyahow. Mogadishu has big land area mass and also density and well planned that is why it's the largest city but it's still only 200k in my view but I haven't counted how many houses they have in a given land area of say 100 meters and apply some mathamatics to it.

 

[DR OSMAN]

What is your views Somalispot? Bosaso or Hargeisa for second largest settlement in Somalia? Forget the first spot, it's gone to Mogadishu, were talking about who has the second largest settlement and even then it won't matter really but it's good to know i guess in a way. Plus we haven't counted Kismayo and Galkacyo which are massive compared to anything else Irir is packing in terms of settlements. But settlement don't matter really, it's all about nomadic count but it's good to know just in-case the irir boys play games again.

 

[Factz]

Hargeisa has more population than Bossaso, Galkayo and Garowe combined. Let's not be a fool here, it's the second largest city in the Somali peninsula.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Hargeisa has more population than Bossaso, Galkayo and Garowe combined. Let's not be a fool here, it's the second largest city in the Somali peninsula.

The land area is 6 kilometers x 7 kilometers. Wa baxadisa Hargeisa that is 42 kilometers in area. That won't change no matter how many trolling statements you make. The question really is do you fill up your 42 kilometers and I say no because there is a-lot of space in between houses. You have 12600 houses in hargeisa, it's been calculated. It's a population of 80k only. Were talking about Bosaso and Hargeisa cause that's where it will be tight, forget garowe and galkacyo niyahow.

Don't worry I'll do Garowe and Galkacyo.

 

[Factz]

The land area is 6 kilometers x 7 kilometers. Wa baxadisa Hargeisa that is 42 kilometers in area. That won't change no matter how many trolling statements you make. The question really is do you fill up your 42 kilometers and I say no because there is a-lot of space in between houses. You have 12600 houses in hargeisa, it's been calculated. It's a population of 80k only. Were talking about Bosaso and Hargeisa cause that's where it will be tight, forget garowe and galkacyo niyahow.

Don't worry I'll do Garowe and Galkacyo.

Hargeisa has a much larger width than Bossaso, it's not crowdy as you think.

Bossaso population = 700 thousand
Galkacyo population = 245,000
Garowe population = 90 thousand

Hargeisa = 1.3 million.

Despite Puntland controlling north Galkacyo, it's still smaller than Hargeisa combined.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Hargeisa has a much larger width than Bossaso, it's not crowdy as you think.

Bossaso population = 700 thousand
Galkacyo population = 245,000
Garowe population = 90 thousand

Hargeisa = 1.3 million.

Despite Puntland controlling north Galkacyo, it's still smaller than Hargeisa combined.

Where is your math formula for your quotes or is it more colonial guess work with no methodologies to back it up? or is your ass just trolling

 

[whitehartlane]

Hargeisa has a much larger width than Bossaso, it's not crowdy as you think.

Bossaso population = 700 thousand
Galkacyo population = 245,000
Garowe population = 90 thousand

Hargeisa = 1.3 million.

Despite Puntland controlling north Galkacyo, it's still smaller than Hargeisa combined.

You are right, Hargeysa is the 2nd largest city in Somalia..and tht won't change easily in the next 20/30 years..

Yes it's true bosaso is the 3rd largest with gaalkacyo burco Baydhabo in tht order all very close in numbers.

All in all harti is larger than isaaq..

Buurtinle alone is bigger than every isaaq tuulo outside Hargeysa iyo burco.. and buurtinle is smaller than
Laascaanood
Buuhoodle
Badhan
Garowe

 

[GBTarmy]

You are right, Hargeysa is the 2nd largest city in Somalia..and tht won't change easily in the next 20/30 years..

Yes it's true bosaso is the 3rd largest with gaalkacyo burco Baydhabo in tht order all very close in numbers.

All in all harti is larger than isaaq..

Buurtinle alone is bigger than every isaaq tuulo outside Hargeysa iyo burco.. and buurtinle is smaller than
Laascaanood
Buuhoodle
Badhan
Garowe

I agree with your list but I would put Borama with those cities as well.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I worked out Bosaso, I took a quick snap-shot measured a standard area 100 x 100 meters. There is roughly 50 houses in that space. Bosaso is around 8000 households, it's not perfect number but it's a good estimate becuz my methodology is to measure the whole land area first to get a figure by length and width to calculate land area. Then measure again a small sample 100 meters x 100 meter area thru length and width and then multiply it on over-all land area which in this case is 16 kilometers for Bosaso. So it works like this. In a 100 meter space there is 50 homes. Calculate how many homes fit into 1 kilometer space. If 50 homes fit into 100 meters multiply it by 10 to get the figure for 1 kilometer. It's 500 homes. Then multiply it against 16 kilometers because that's the over-all land area.

Hence it's 8000 homes in Bosaso. 12000 Homes in Hargeisa. That's a rough estimation and this doesn't account for rural population(hargeisa has no tuulos outside hargeisa) Bosaso is jam-packed all across Bari with good sized settlements along the way.

 

[Factz]

You are right, Hargeysa is the 2nd largest city in Somalia..and tht won't change easily in the next 20/30 years..

Yes it's true bosaso is the 3rd largest with gaalkacyo burco Baydhabo in tht order all very close in numbers.

All in all harti is larger than isaaq..

Buurtinle alone is bigger than every isaaq tuulo outside Hargeysa iyo burco.. and buurtinle is smaller than
Laascaanood
Buuhoodle
Badhan
Garowe

Isaaq is bigger than Darood within Somalia republic lol. You are delusional if you actually believe Harti is bigger than Isaaq. Also, Hargeisa is growing faster than Mogadishu so please stop dreaming about any city surpassing Hargeisa because it won't happen.

Here are the CIA reports telling you Isaaq is bigger than Darood within Somalia.

As for Buurtinle, is it bigger than Gabiley, Wajaale, Odweyne or Sheikh? Whatever you're smoking, pass me some of that shit sxb.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I agree with your list but I would put Borama with those cities as well.

Harti what the f*ck are u smoking waryaa? How can you compare Harti and Isaaq? Ma nacas ba tahay mise ma waalan tahay? How can you compare grazing lands from outside burco and erigavo to galkacyo all the way to bosaso to Isaaq which is similar grazing land to garowe and galkacyo? Are u smoking something weird niyahow? Do you understand how Somalis are even structured and how critical nomads are because settlements are very small? Do you know why Rahanwayn is called a laangaab? he doesn't ride camels and camels determine population size not cities because all settlements are small in Somalia.

We have large livestock according to the world economic forums and livestock generates FAMILIES and population.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Isaaq is bigger than Darood within Somalia republic lol. You are delusional if you actually believe Harti is bigger than Isaaq. Also, Hargeisa is growing faster than Mogadishu so please stop dreaming about any city surpassing Hargeisa because it won't happen.

Here are the CIA reports telling you Isaaq is bigger than Darood within Somalia.

As for Buurtinle, is it bigger than Gabiley, Wajaale, Odweyne or Sheikh? Whatever you're smoking, pass me some of that shit sxb.

More estimates and no methodologies provided for estimations, tell me was it some khat chewer that spoke to the cia and provided khat intelligence while he was high on somali clan numbers? what a joke the CIA is for even believing that nonsense but Somali elders know the truth and the somali government does also. You have no livestock sxb, you dont have any geel in somaliland besides garhajis and that is small also in comparison to other somalis.

 

[GBTarmy]

Who is the largest clan in Majerten? Do you think I would say Osman Maxamud just because I am osman maxamud? nooooooooooooo wayyyyyyyyyyyyy. It's omar maxamud by a long shot, it's not even close in terms of numbers. See being real is what you should do, not just troll isaaq is a million or that sade clown running around with sade on the brain for everything and how sade is this and that.

Big ups to Omar Maxamud, waa landheeraha Majerten weeye. The question who takes second spot between Osman and Isse and Ali Saleban, that's all. Yo who do the Omar Maxamud think is the real valid second landheere of Majerten, notice the landheere is always given the highest voice and why we all turn to sayidka because he has nothing to gain by lying about other tribe, he knows his already the largest and why all clan consider him a neutral voice on other somali clans.

So all omar maxamud come in and speak on who you think is the second largest clan in the majerten. It's a race between Osman Maxamud-Isse Maxamud-Ali saleban. Some may leave Isse behind and say it will be a tight one between Osman Maxamud and Ali saleban

Osman is bigger than ciise, ciise lost numbers during the sayidka times. Between osman and ali saleeban I would guess Osman but I may underestimate ali saleeban.

Also Hargeisa is the second biggest city but bari and rest of puntland has more nomadic population and more and more move from rural to Bosaso, Gaalkacyo and Garowe we will see rapid growth in them all. Bosaso takes the third spot easily though with gaalkacyo as 4th.

 

[GBTarmy]

Harti what the f*ck are u smoking waryaa? How can you compare Harti and Isaaq? Ma nacas ba tahay mise ma waalan tahay? How can you compare grazing lands from outside burco and erigavo to galkacyo all the way to bosaso to Isaaq which is similar grazing land to garowe and galkacyo? Are u smoking something weird niyahow? Do you understand how Somalis are even structured and how critical nomads are because settlements are very small? Do you know why Rahanwayn is called a laangaab? he doesn't ride camels and camels determine population size not cities because all settlements are small in Somalia.

We have large livestock according to the world economic forums and livestock generates FAMILIES and population.

where did I compare harti with isaaq?

 

[whitehartlane]

Isaaq is bigger than Darood within Somalia republic lol. Hargeisa is growing faster than Mogadishu so please stop dreaming about any city surpassing Hargeisa because it won't happen.

Here are the CIA reports telling you Isaaq is bigger than Darood within Somalia.

As for Buurtinle, is it bigger than Gabiley, Wajaale, Odweyne or Sheikh? Whatever you're smoking, pass me some of that shit sxb.

Lol

Hargeysa was 2nd largest since 1960s
Bosaso was a fishing village mere 20 years ago.. in 2018 it's 75% of Hargeysa in terms of population.. keep telling yourself fairy tales that Hargeysa is fastest growing city in somalia.. tht title belongs to bosaso and we all Somali or non Somali know that..

And yes buurtinle is bigger than all those towns you listed..

Isaaq is larger than darood..