Capitalism vs Socialism

[repo]

Why wouldn't you want to advance in society? Nothing wrong with being working class but if you are born have kids and they don't end up doing better than you they've kinda failed imo. No I'm not wealthy

That's a capitalist mindset. You look at everything in terms of money but not health or happiness. If you are a doctor and your child ends up a farmer there's nothing wrong with it. But societal/financial expectations have put unnecessary burden on people.

 

[Helios]

That's a capitalist mindset. You look at everything in terms of money but not health or happiness. If you are a doctor and your child ends up a farmer there's nothing wrong with it. But societal/financial expectations have put unnecessary burden on people.

Bettering yourself is a good thing. The fundamental critique of socialism is that it breeds contentment/laziness with the status quo and you're embodying it

 

[Apollo]

Surprised Capitalism is leading in the poll considering it is a dirty word among Millennials and Gen Z.

 

[repo]

Bettering yourself is a good thing. The fundamental critique of socialism is that it breeds contentment/laziness with the status quo and you're embodying it

Imagine how many children who could have grown up to be the next Einstein. I don't want to pressure people into a competitive unhealthy lifestyle which prevents them from pursuing their personal interest and reach their potential just so another individual can benefit off their back. I want to level the playing field. Capitalism is a predatory system it's inherently built to exploit humanity for the benefits of few.

 

[Helios]

Surprised Capitalism is leading in the poll considering it is a dirty word among Millennials and Gen Z.

I guess most Somalis aren't buzzfeed libtards

 

[Helios]

Imagine how many children who could have grown up to be the next Einstein. I don't want to pressure people into a competitive unhealthy lifestyle which prevents them from pursuing their personal interest and reach their potential just so another individual can benefit off their back. I want to level the playing field. Capitalism is a predatory system it's inherently built to exploit humanity for the benefits of few.

Dude do you want a painter to be able to paint all day and a poet to recite poetry and be fully supported in their lifestyles and pursuits by the State through housing, guaranteed income, and benefits???

 

[repo]

Dude do you want a painter to be able to paint all day and a poet to recite poetry and be fully supported in their lifestyles and pursuits by the State through housing, guaranteed income, and benefits???

I want them to be able to do so comfortably. A doctor does not stop being a doctor because he's paid less, you become a doctor because that's your passion. People aren't all of a sudden going to stop pursuing their goals cause some decide to become painters or artists or whatever. Society will advance, humanity will advance when we are able to provide the right conditions to reach our fullest potential and that's what socialism does.

 

[Helios]

I want them to be able to do so comfortably. A doctor does not stop being a doctor because he's paid less, you become a doctor because that's your passion. People aren't all of a sudden going to stop pursuing their goals cause some decide to become painters or artists or whatever. Society will advance, humanity will advance when we are able to provide the right conditions to reach our fullest potential and that's what socialism does.

That's not socialism man that's communism when all aspects are controlled and the state will ensure the needs of all citizens are met. Joe Bob the painter isn't turning out Picassos and in our society wouldn't be able to make ends meet. IT would be nice if he could pursue his dreams but economic viability and being useful in the labour force is important. Doctors are Doctors out of passion yes but it is a critical field. We need them but painters... not so much

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

Social Democracy with a SWF is my ideal.

 

[Helios]

Social Democracy with a SWF is my ideal.

What is an SWF

 

[repo]

That's not socialism man that's communism when all aspects are controlled and the state will ensure the needs of all citizens are met. Joe Bob the painter isn't turning out Picassos and in our society wouldn't be able to make ends meet. IT would be nice if he could pursue his dreams but economic viability and being useful in the labour force is important. Doctors are Doctors out of passion yes but it is a critical field. We need them but painters... not so much

Many of the greatest philosophers and artists in history were born into wealth. Philosophy itself was a rich man's vocation, who else has the time to sit around and think all day?

In the era of technological advancement would you rather individuals work for the common good such as open source or spend their time slaving away to satisfy another man's greed?

 

[Helios]

Many of the greatest philosophers and artists in history were born into wealth. Philosophy itself was a rich man's vocation, who else has the time to sit around and think all day?

In the era of technological advancement would you rather individuals work for the common good such as open source or spend their time slaving away to satisfy another man's greed?

Who is most likely going to find a cure for cancer? Govt researchers or the private sector. One clearly is better at using funds than the other. I don't care what people do with their wealth or how they accumulate it legally as long as the people working for them are paid well and taxes enter my govt treasury. The free market is the greatest way to allocate goods and determine supply and demand and I hope it is allowed to continue doing this unmolested. Corporations need to be reigned in tho I'm no fan of Amazon and other disgusting companies. Small enterprise is key

 

[Helios]

Interesting debate @sincity I enjoyed it. Nice that it stayed civil

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

What is an SWF

Sovereign Wealth Fund

 

[Helios]

Sovereign Wealth Fund

Ye makes sense but you need some surplus to store away in your fund. Norwegians and Saudis have all their oil profits stashed away in their funds

 

[Omar del Sur]

That's not directly linked to Capitalism.
But mine was directly linked to Communism.

"that wasn't true capitalism!"

 

[Helios]

"that wasn't true capitalism!"

*Collectivizes your land*

 

[Muji]

Free market?

Turning everyone in the family into a wage slave. We have zero hour contracts, high costs of living, 2 thirds of the poorest people in society being women (in particular single mothers) and unaffordable housing all so that we can make giant global corporations richer.

I agree that communism often leads to misery for people but why can’t we move towards how things in the West were when a working class family could live on one wage, could afford to buy a house and could save up to send one of their kids to private school.

 

[Muji]

Social Democracy with a SWF is my ideal.

please elaborate

 

[Helios]

Free market?

Turning everyone in the family into a wage slave. We have zero hour contracts, high costs of living, 2 thirds of the poorest people in society being women (in particular single mothers) and unaffordable housing all so that we can make giant global corporations richer.

I agree that communism often leads to misery for people but why can’t we move towards how things in the West were when a working class family could live on one wage, could afford to buy a house and could save up to send one of their kids to private school.

Free market doesn't mean robber baron 20th century monopolies it just means that prices are determined by supply and demand and that people are free to buy and sell goods/property as they wish. The state doesn't decide how much a loaf of bread or a barrel of oil is the 'market' does.

Benefits and other things aren't conflicting with the free market its the fundamental nature of the economy does the state run it or do private individuals. Socialists would rather the state organize things