Caribbean Black Woman Vents About the Dysfunction in Her Community. Would You Say the Same Applies to Ours?

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Gen Z Somali guys are the best Masha'Allah. I am really proud of them. Gen Z couples, will do great, their children will be more firmly middle-class, and may even inherit property.

It's the millennial males that failed themselves and disappointed their parents. How much should we blame society, and environment, when their sisters did far better? At which point do these people take responsibility for themselves. You can see some of them on here, who love to gossip about others, instead of looking internally. Sad thing is, these people are already parents, and they are supposed to be 'role model' for their own sons.

It takes bravery to take yourself to task, and work on yourself.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Dysfunction is inherited. This is why I strongly disagree with ciyaalo suuq/dhaqan celis getting married off to some miskeen back home. These ciyaalo suuqs need to undergo rehab and clean their system from whatever alcohol/drugs/khat etc, before they pass this onto their babies. Yes, babies inherit all the garbage you consume.

For example:

The offspring of men with a history of drug dependence or alcohol dependence had significantly higher rates of conduct disorder.....

So, if you don't care about your own life, or disappointing your parents, at least don't try to have babies until you fix your life. But they will not listen, these kind of people are inherently stubborn and selfish to begin with.

Somali parents need to stop trying to rehab their wayward sons via marriage, all it does, is create generational dysfunction, and innocent babies born with traits they don't deserve.

 

[Kisame]

He's not wrong

Every day there's a new rage bait thread, ironically it's the kaafir user inciting these feuds and watching you Muslims go back and fourth

With all due respect you're so chronically online to see through this mess

I don't have any family or friends like that the yap is insane. The older gen ik that immigrated have studied and gotten degrees despite being fresh off the boat from Djibouti. Incl like my uncle who did computer science in sweden. No male cousins in prisons, we all go school, have jobs and most I have met in the recent years go gym.

Internet waste will always try push stereotypes on Somali because their own family are dysfunctional doesn't mean we all are.

You young niggas get so defensive about this shit for no reason. Everyone knows most gen Z Somali men are doing fine right now.

Y'all don't need to get angry when people start talking about the struggles of millennial Somali men.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Statistically ciyaalsuuq bums usually tend to be a byproduct of lower IQ/income and affects everyone in the family including woman, just in non-violent ways.
This trope of the doctor sister with a felon brother is disingenuous and is not grounded in reality

It is absolutely grounded in reality, it happens often in our community. I know educated, well-mannered women, who have an ex-con brother.

 

[Afeik_Abiy]

You young niggas get so defensive about this shit for no reason. Everyone knows most gen Z Somali men are doing fine right now.

Y'all don't need to get angry when people start talking about the struggles of millennial Somali men.

My point wasn't even that there are Somali men bums, everyone who isn't coping knows that.
My point is that bum Somali men more likely than not have bum sisters

 

[Rayaale]

I think in the context of Somalis, simply talking about family dynamics and whether the parents are good is far too simplistic. I know fathers who have struggled to rein their sons in and have tried their best whilst having their own drawbacks like low level English, low income and raising kids in a bad area, but still they were good men dealt a bad hand in a gaal country they don't know the system of with sons in an environment a boomer father can't relate to.

How come the Somalis born are raised in Africa or Middle East turn out fine

 

[Angelina]

How come the Somalis born are raised in Africa or Middle East turn out fine

No gangs

Somalis are working class and are raising their kids in the essentially the projects in council housing.

Also black urban culture has been normalized and hiphop being seen as a cool thing that glorifies dysfunction.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

No gangs

Somalis are working class and are raising their kids in the essentially the projects in council housing.

Also black urban culture has been normalized and hiphop being seen as a cool thing that glorifies dysfunction.

There are gangs in Nairobi for example, and Ciyaal Weero in Mogadishu. Sadly, they have been infected by Hip Hop. But tbh, gangs that sell alcohol, drugs, and khat have always existed.

 

[Angelina]

There are gangs in Nairobi for example, and Ciyaal Weero in Mogadishu. Sadly, they have been infected by Hip Hop. But tbh, gangs that sell alcohol, drugs, and khat have always existed.

A tad different though since they’re not as organized and there is a still a sense of community that can make it easier for parents to stop their children from joining. L

Imagine being in a foreign gaal country and your kids are at school half of the day and parents can barely speak English and kids are out here feeling as though they can’t get the latest trainers and you have olders in the estate essentially groomers giving out £100 and making these poorer boys feels as though they have their ‘backs’ since those boys are also dealing with aggression since they’re dark skin young lads and in school boys glorify these rappers who talk about trapping and the parents have no idea what their child is in to or what they’re coming across at school or on road.

You’re right that gangs are everywhere but America and the UK is a different kettle of fish for a Somali kid whose parents are clueless. New age Somali parents have learnt a lot. Some of my aunts who are family friends are so protective of their younger sons now because when they first came to the UK in 1991, their older sons were caught up in everything I mentioned and they were none the wiser. It was grooming, criminal grooming, that’s what’s happened to their sons.

 

[Khaemwaset]

I’m talking about what I saw when I was 12-21 and wasn’t even talking about family but my local area when I was growing up. None of my male cousins are in prison although I have family friends who are near cousins who’ve been. I know/heard of at least 10 boys whose families I know who I have been to prison and these boys are from different qabils.

You need to put your feelings aside here and understand when 1000s of people are saying something there must be some element of truth to it.

Gunning for my family when I was blantatly talking about my local area more than ten yrs ago is silly. It’s a fact, a % of boys in my area did go prison, boys that were part of my community that I grew up with.

Speak to any over 26+ you’ll get a similar experience and even many men admit this.

You’ve just turned 18 with barely any life experience with life now being completely different to when I was growing up in the 2000s and 2010s. You weren’t even born or was under 5 when I saw some people I knew getting stabbed or locked up?

You have no statistics. You only use anecdotal evidence. I can use my own. There is not a single deadbeat I know in my extended family. All the boys my age my cousins are either full time work or uni or both. They drive ect.

How does my age change the fact that my extended family don't have this issue. Straight from djibouti man were going to University getting degrees to work internationally in high paying fields despite being djiboutian fobs. Some abtis got their degree and went straight back to Djibouti to work home. I don't care about your family, just say your kind ran into trouble don't lump us in with your tragedy.

Bumalians always making stereotypes for no reason. Literally never heard an ajnabi say this shit.

 

[Khaemwaset]

You young niggas get so defensive about this shit for no reason. Everyone knows most gen Z Somali men are doing fine right now.

Y'all don't need to get angry when people start talking about the struggles of millennial Somali men.

Just say your family are bums don't put it on the Somali brand. I'm literally talking about man that came fresh off the boat getting engineering, computer science degrees straight out of Djibouti.

 

[Angelina]

You have no statistics. You only use anecdotal evidence. I can use my own. There is not a single deadbeat I know in my extended family. All the boys my age my cousins are either full time work or uni or both. They drive ect.

How does my age change the fact that my extended family don't have this issue. Straight from djibouti man were going to University getting degrees to work internationally in high paying fields despite being djiboutian fobs. Some abtis got their degree and went straight back to Djibouti to work home. I don't care about your family, just say your kind ran into trouble don't lump us in with your tragedy.

I made it clear I was talking about the men in my area and not family. I’m talking about my community experience. I’m talking about people from completely different qabils as well. So trying to reduce it to a family thing is stupid

Are you dumb? Are men straight from Djibouti being raised in a council estate? Are they being groomed by older madows tricking them with a £50 note? This happened when I was growing up and that’s how a lot of kids got on road.

There is a reason why many parents sent their kids back and only wanted them to come back after 18.

Bumalians always making stereotypes for no reason. Literally never heard an ajnabi say this shit.

No one has stats so what’s the point? Using the whole no stats argument is a cop out as you can’t even use stats to say Somalis are doing well or doing bad. There is literally nothing out there and the ones we do have are actually bad btw buts mostly for the older gen.

Very stupid point indeed.

You're a kid with no life experiences and I’m talking telling how things were before you even old enough to start school. You don’t know what you’re talking about and the fact that you’re talking about ‘fobs’ tells me evening. I’m talking about young men raised in estates in the 90s, 2000s-2010s. You have no clue whatsoever.

 

[Angelina]

Just say your family are bums don't put it on the Somali brand. I'm literally talking about man that came fresh off the boat getting engineering, computer science degrees straight out of Djibouti.

You can’t even keep up with the conversation. We are not talking about the fobs. Where they raised in the ghetto of the West in a council estate? Those fobs are obviously less likely to get into the street life and also, Djibouti has middle class people who send their kids to the West. I know many who were sent to France and finished their degree in the UK.

You’re talking about a whole different kettle of fish and that’s what’s frustrating with you. You can’t stick to the topic and have to jump about.

 

[Khaemwaset]

Are you dumb? Are men straight from Djibouti being raised in a council estate? Are they being groomed by older madows tricking them with a £50 note? This happened when I was growing up and that’s how a lot of kids got on road.

There is a reason why many parents sent their kids back and only wanted them to come back after 18.

No one has stats so what’s the point? Using the whole no stats argument is a cop out as you can’t even use stats to say Somalis are doing well or doing bad. There is literally nothing out there and the ones we do have are actually bad btw buts mostly for the older gen.

Very stupid point indeed.

So you're saying Djiboutians are simply better

 

[Khaemwaset]

You can’t even keep up with the conversation. We are not talking about the fobs. Where they raised in the ghetto of the West in a council estate? Those fobs are obviously less likely to get into the street life and also, Djibouti has middle class people who send their kids to the West. I know many who were sent to France and finished their degree in the UK.

You’re talking about a whole different kettle of fish and that’s what’s frustrating with you. You can’t stick to the topic and have to jump about.

What am I jumping about? I am on topic, you're talking about the experiences of your extended family. I'm doing tbe exact same thing. Djiboutians live jn council homes too in Marseille or Montreal. But they don't go into the gang life. Cousins in Netherlands never got into the gang life. Same with those in sweden. All turned out fine both the immigrant generation and the 1st gen of us who were born here.

You use your own anecdotal stories and I'm using mine why can't you keep up?

 

[Angelina]

What am I jumping about? I am on topic, you're talking about the experiences of your extended family. I'm doing tbe exact same thing.

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Djiboutians live jn council homes too in Marseille or Montreal. But they don't go into the gang life. Cousins in Netherlands never got into the gang life. Same with those in sweden. All turned out fine both the immigrant generation and the 1st gen of us who were born here.

Djiboutians are a tiny and I mean tiny minority and aren’t even that well known in France. They don’t have a presence in France like the UK particularly London.

Btw, we do have statistics about Somalis and it’s not great.

You use your own anecdotal stories and I'm using mine why can't you keep up?

Fair enough.

 

[Xoriyo]

They speak English. Let's cut the crap. Seeing how Eritreans refugees have flourished with zero access to guri dawlad has solidified my view.

Eritrean refugees are far from flourishing in countries like Germany and Switzerland. Especially in Switzerland where they’re associated with unemployment, crime, loitering and drunk disorderly conduct. Tabloid papers often have them on the front pages.

Immigrant/ refugee communities flourish in certain countries but might struggle in others.

 

[Khaemwaset]

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Djiboutians are a tiny and I mean tiny minority and aren’t even that well known in France. They don’t have a presence in France like the UK particularly London.

Btw, we do have statistics about Somalis and it’s not great.

Fair enough.

There are no stats that say Somali are anything extraordinary for recent migrant groups.

We have gcse records of Somalis showing the young Somali in England are higher achievers than most ethnics.

This is the results of Lambeth Borough in London, Somali outperforming white British and other Black carribs.

By 2018 Somalis outperform the rest of Africa by 18%

 

[Hotchick12]

my parents are lucky they had girls first but one of my sister got married to an ex con, i know what you guys talking about, my parents don’t let my brothers out of sight, they communicate their friends over playstations, i hear the streets are getting worse

 

[Hotchick12]

You have no statistics. You only use anecdotal evidence. I can use my own. There is not a single deadbeat I know in my extended family. All the boys my age my cousins are either full time work or uni or both. They drive ect.

How does my age change the fact that my extended family don't have this issue. Straight from djibouti man were going to University getting degrees to work internationally in high paying fields despite being djiboutian fobs. Some abtis got their degree and went straight back to Djibouti to work home. I don't care about your family, just say your kind ran into trouble don't lump us in with your tragedy.

Bumalians always making stereotypes for no reason. Literally never heard an ajnabi say this shit.

lol you’re dijiboutian, you are not refugee from somalia, you djiboutians are classist and don’t even intermingle with other somalis. a djiboutian and somalian don’t even start from the same wavelength