Colonial historians' war on Somali History

[HabarSteven12]

Arabs barley had cities themselves at that time. Literally were in the desert with some shacks around oasis where they shared goods then went back to the desert.
Macrobians aren't a thing. Proto Somali ruled the city states. Somalis became a proper ethnicity probably during the 500s my guess is.

Okay now you are being reasonable. Was there any mention of the word Somali prior to the 15th century?

 

[ibrahym]

Okay now you are being reasonable. Was there any mention of the word Somali prior to the 15th century?

No, but they were mentioned as Berbers

 

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

The Romans spoke about a lot of ancient kingdoms and civilizations they traded with. They spoke and gave a thorough description of Aksum, Persia, India and the Greeks. No mention of any ancient Somali kingdom they traded with. Just name one. You literally debunked yourself .

Look at you, tryna to put words into my mouth. I never once mentioned anything about a Somali kingdom trading with the Romans. I was merely responding to your false claim that we did not trade with the Romans. That's as simple as it gets. So, how did you debunk me if I never mentioned anything about a Somali kingdom? Answer that without running around in circles.Show me one post I have made where I said we had a kingdom and were trading with the Romans.

 

[Khaem]

Okay now you are being reasonable. Was there any mention of the word Somali prior to the 15th century?

It doesn't matter if the word existed in written record in the 1400s. The modern ethnicity known as Somali today existed for at least 1,500 years.
Somali comes from the two words Soo (go) & maal (milk) the word Somali means "go and milk" which links us to our pastoralist background.
The same thing With the name Arab which just means Nomad.
It was first written down by the Ethiopian emperor in the 1400s who was writing about his victories against several groups in war, including somalis.

We also have the founding myth about the creation of the Somali race by a man named Samaale and his brother Sab.

We also had different names by foreigners who wrote about us. Greeks said macrobians, romans called us Berber, Arabs used to call the whole region, including somalis, abyssinnian/habash until they made distinction.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Answer that without running around in circles.Show me one post I have made where I said we had a kingdom and were trading with the Romans.

We did actually trade with romans but didn't have a centralised kingdom
Merchants from as far as France were coming to our city states to trade and seek from it's markets and commercial hubs

 

[Three Moons]

Its a male, he goes under the name Magherbin on Wikipedia, a deluded Harari nationalist who envies the role Somali people, and Somali men in particular have played in the history of the Horn, East Africa and other parts of the world, hence why he tries to diminish it at every turn, not realising he is doing the opposite. He is in his 40s and as you can see from his months of larping he is clearly not well spending most of his time pushing propaganda on Wikipedia.

Its interesting though that a Harari of all people would bear such ill-will towards the Somali people, when we are the only major group in Africa that want the Harari to succeed and thrive, while the others are slowly absorbing them to extinction.

His misplaced anger makes sense though, if you look at all the important urban centers of the Horn with the most history and acclaim, most of them are all in Somaliweyn or heavily influenced by us. The group mentioned the most in historical manuscripts are us and our subgroups, all major historical figures are linked to us, while major unidentified groups like the Harla are all closely tied to Somali clans, including their language and most likely represented a Somali farmer group the way the Tumal were blacksmiths and the Somal were pastoralists. With the collapse of the major sultanates the latter and its lifestyle prevailed and became the name under which we all identify today.

The worst thing that can happen for these guys is for Somalia to settle down and a ton of archaeologists to start putting down roots in our region and retrace each century, because their time and effort will only serve us since we have been here before any other modern group.

@Emir of Zayla @Idrus @killerxsmoke

 

[Odious Delirium]

Okay now you are being reasonable. Was there any mention of the word Somali prior to the 15th century?

No one here has made any claims beyond what idrus has stated how did it all of a sudden become reasonable now

 

[HabarSteven12]

Look at you, tryna to put words into my mouth. I never once mentioned anything about a Somali kingdom trading with the Romans. I was merely responding to your false claim that we did not trade with the Romans. That's as simple as it gets. So, how did you debunk me if I never mentioned anything about a Somali kingdom? Answer that without running around in circles.Show me one post I have made where I said we had a kingdom and were trading with the Romans.

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The Roman era began with the Romans trying to break barriers established for centuries by Arabs in the Red Sea and in the Indian Ocean that hindered the Mediterraneans in their access to the Indian Ocean for trade. The Arabs had been making much profit by selling goods, including spices of the Indian Ocean seaboards, to the Mediterraneans for exorbitant prices. Accessibility to the Indian Ocean markets by Mediterraneans would have adversely affected the economy of the Arabs.

As the Romans used the trade winds for the first time to trade in Azania, they found that the Arabs had already been in East Africa. They had been involved in trade affairs in the emporium of Rhapta (Casson 1989). Romans were trying to break trade barriers established by Arabs not Somalis lol.

Romans traded with Arabs not Somalis. The Romans noticed a strong Arab presence in Azania and the Indian Ocean. No mention of Somalis lol. You still haven't provided a single shred of evidence that Somalis or city states allegedly established by Somalis were trading with the Romans. You only provided a scholar showing the geographical area Romans traded with. We wuz kangs and sheet.
Source: East Africa and the Middle East relationship from the first millennium BC to about 1500 AD.

 

[HabarSteven12]

@Fobnimo Till I Dhimo At the moment.. Give me only one source that shows the romans describing the Somalis they traded with. Show me one source that shows the romans trading with the noble Somalis. We wuz trading and sheet.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

@Fobnimo Till I Dhimo At the moment.. Give me only one source that shows the romans describing the Somalis they traded with. Show me one source that shows the romans trading with the noble Somalis. We wuz trading and sheet.

bro you literally believe blond Arabs founded a SSA city. you act more like a wewuzing Hotep than any Somali "incel".

 

[Basra]

A very interesting informative twitter thread about shisheeye's war on Somali history.
Shout out to the guy who made this twitter thread

Maybe "Ibn Said' is probably a down low enemy of Hawiye also known as "Darood" who openly claim "Anaa Arabiya" In my humble opinion- South Somalia belongs to Hawiye! Puntland Darood- and Somaliland Isaaq! The rest are irrelevant!

 

[Somali_patriotic]

@HabarSteven12
You don't live in the west?

 

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

@Fobnimo Till I Dhimo At the moment.. Give me only one source that shows the romans describing the Somalis they traded with. Show me one source that shows the romans trading with the noble Somalis. We wuz trading and sheet.

 

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

Maybe "Ibn Said' is probably a down low enemy of Hawiye also known as "Darood" who openly claim "Anaa Arabiya" In my humble opinion- South Somalia belongs to Hawiye! Puntland Darood- and Somaliland Isaaq! The rest are irrelevant!

The way some cadaans hate on African taariikh u would think Allah made it wajib for them

 

[Adeersyber]

Still doesn’t talk about Arab rule
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Uno only mentions of Arabs in the periplus is himyarites who got tribute from raphta(scotora) the book he's referring to is an orientalist myth that assumes Eurasian built everything

 

[Emir of Zayla]

Uno only mentions of Arabs in the periplus is himyarites who got tribute from raphta(scotora) the book he's referring to is an orientalist myth that assumes Eurasian built everything

That’s in Tanzania, that has nothing to do with us.

 

[DubatDiaries]

The way you counter historical and intellectual arguments is similar in tone to the Somali Incel community.

A Somali incel is understood as a young man/adolescent who spends his time harassing and belittling random Somali girls on the internet - which may or may not be linked to his inability to get a little lady friend. Someone believing Somalis as a people existed before the 15th century does not make them an incel.
Stop misappropriating our term

 

[Basra]

The way some cadaans hate on African taariikh u would think Allah made it wajib for them

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ok Fine! "Ibn Sayad" is not Darood but Isaaq!~ Still enemy of Hawiye

 

[Emir of Zayla]

ok Fine! "Ibn Sayad" is not Darood but Isaaq!~ Still enemy of Hawiye

Your Hawiye?

 

[Bari🐍]

Your Hawiye?

She's reer Basra. Jinni qabil.