Debating if Islam is tied to Somali ethnicity

[induction]

imo yes. so even if a somali leaves islam technically they are still somali, but in the real world other somalis will discriminate against them and not really include them in any somali functions. So, in that regard they are no longer "somali"

 

[Liban89]

Somalis are 100 percent Muslim. we are an ethnoreligion, why do idiots rehash this?

mods put this in qashiin and lock OP and anyone who voted no in there too.

Michael Mariano was a somali Christian politician from Habar Jeclo tribe, he fought for the independence and later uniting the nation we call Somalia today. He is one of the most prominen xornimodoon figures in our history, drafting many documents integral to the blessed SYL movement, he fought hard to bring hawd reserve area from the clutches of the Abyssinian colonizers way before 1977. Your statement is not true otherwise he'd be gone from somali history books. He was and remains as much of a somali as you are if not more important.

Michael Mariano - Wikipedia

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[Burqad]

Michael Mariano was a somali Christian politician from Habar Jeclo tribe, he fought for the independence and later uniting the nation we call Somalia today. He is one of the most prominen xornimodoon figures in our history, drafting many documents integral to the blessed SYL movement, he fought hard to bring hawd reserve area from the clutches of the Abyssinian colonizers way before 1977. Your statement is not true otherwise he'd be gone from somali history books. He was and remains as much of a somali as you are if not more important.

Michael Mariano - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

@JaredAbdullahiKushner2000

he was brainwashed by catholic priests and reverted to Islam lol.

 

[Liban89]

he was brainwashed by catholic priests and reverted to Islam lol.

Him embracing Islam doesn't effect his somalinimo or his prior accomplishments in any way, he was and will always be celebrated as a somali legend wether he was a Christian or Muslim during his life.

 

[Burqad]

Him embracing Islam doesn't effect his somalinimo or his prior accomplishments in any way, he was and will always be celebrated as a somali legend wether he was a Christian or Muslim during his life.

He immediately reverted to Islam upon joining the SYL, why are you saying “whether” as if it was he was a hypothetical person?

 

[Liban89]

He immediately reverted to Islam upon joining the SYL, why are you saying “whether” as if it was he was a hypothetical person?

lol, waar being Muslim or non Muslim does nothing to his habarjeclonimo or somalinimo, it is a simple fact.

 

[World]

lol, waar being Muslim or non Muslim does nothing to his habarjeclonimo or somalinimo, it is a simple fact.

A Christian Somali living back home raised by missionaries due to colonialism isn’t the same as a western born Somali that left Islam and became an atheist.

 

[Liban89]

A Christian Somali living back home raised by missionaries due to colonialism isn’t the same as a western born Somali that left Islam and became an atheist.

A non Muslim Somali-Martian is still somali. A believe in a deity or lack thereof doesn't effect one's ethnicity.

 

[Ragaasi]

Michael Mariano was a somali Christian politician from Habar Jeclo tribe, he fought for the independence and later uniting the nation we call Somalia today. He is one of the most prominen xornimodoon figures in our history, drafting many documents integral to the blessed SYL movement, he fought hard to bring hawd reserve area from the clutches of the Abyssinian colonizers way before 1977. Your statement is not true otherwise he'd be gone from somali history books. He was and remains as much of a somali as you are if not more important.

Michael Mariano - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

@JaredAbdullahiKushner2000

He converted back (alhamdulilah), dont use muslim men to push your k@ffir agenda

 

[Danakiil]

If arabs can leave islam & still be arab so can somalis tf. How is this even debatable there's even gaalo somalis in kneya called rendile who look like this.

 

[Danakiil]

If that was true which I doubt btw why are we still segregated through clans?

isn’t tribalism prohibited in Islam? You guys failed to follow the very thing you paint yourselves.







Which is kinda embarrassing. A Jewish person still recognise their own even when they’re not adapting to their faiths.

What makes Jews more ethno-religious is they
have founded the faith while Somalis are more of a follower than founders.

People who say Somalia had no history before Islam are being intellectually dishonest. There's a lot of shit buried under all that sand. Just a few years ago there were Christian yahuud & waaqist graves along with a Coptic church with Ge'ez writings carved into it unearthed near Aw Barkhadle in woqooyi galbeed. They were carbon dated to be from the 13th century not even that long ago. Niggas gonna say somalis are less than a thousand years old? Embarrassing.

 

[Hamzza]

If arabs can leave islam & still be arab so can somalis tf. How is this even debatable there's even gaalo somalis in kneya called rendile who look like this.

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Waxaas Canfar ka ahow adigu hhh. Rendille are not Somalis and the do not like to be identified as such.

 

[Danakiil]

Waxaas Canfar ka show adiga hhh. Rendille are not Somalis and the do not like to be identified as such.

Rendile are as somali as Rewein are. You can cope all you want saying they speak a different language (like the Rewein do but they're still magically Somali?). Doesn't change the fact the Rendile lived in jubaland as recently as the 1860's & are a Somalioid group. Rendile are to Somali as an Saho is to me

 

[Hamzza]

Rendile are as somali as Rewein are. You can cope all you want saying they speak a different language. Doesn't change the fact they lived in jubaland as recently as the 1860's & are a Somalioid group. Rendile are to Somali as an Saho is to me

Rendille and Somali are 2 of the 42 ethnic groups in Kenya and never in their history did they(Rendilles) live in Jubaland, I think you are mistaking them for Wardey Oromo.

 

[Danakiil]

Rendille and Somali are 2 of the 42 ethnic groups in Kenya and never in their history did they live in Jubaland, I think you are mistaking them for Wardey Oromo.

Wardey oromo & Rendile both lived in Jubaland before Ogadeen destroyed them. Rendile were serfs to the Oromos even completely conquered before Jebretis even showed up

 

[Hamzza]

Wardey oromo & Rendile both lived in Jubaland before Ogadeen destroyed them. Rendile were serfs to the Oromos even completely conquered before Jebretis even showed up

No they were not serfs for Wardey, I think you are mistaking them for Boni hunters who were serfs for the Wardey Oromo.

 

[Danakiil]

People who say Somalia had no history before Islam are being intellectually dishonest. There's a lot of shit buried under all that sand. Just a few years ago there were Christian yahuud & waaqist graves along with a Coptic church with Ge'ez writings carved into it unearthed near Aw Barkhadle in woqooyi galbeed. They were carbon dated to be from the 13th century not even that long ago. Niggas gonna say somalis are less than a thousand years old? Embarrassing.

"Somalis had no history before islam"

Mysterious sculptures from Somaliland | Politics and Art from the Edge

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[Danakiil]

No they were not serfs for Wardey, I think you are mistaking them for Boni hunters who were serfs for the Wardey Oromo.

No it was specifically Rendile

 

[Hamzza]

No it was specifically Rendile

Source?

 

[Osiris1]

People who say Somalia had no history before Islam are being intellectually dishonest. There's a lot of shit buried under all that sand. Just a few years ago there were Christian yahuud & waaqist graves along with a Coptic church with Ge'ez writings carved into it unearthed near Aw Barkhadle in woqooyi galbeed. They were carbon dated to be from the 13th century not even that long ago. Niggas gonna say somalis are less than a thousand years old? Embarrassing.

They genuinely believe that once Arabs introduced Islam to us, suddenly all the unruly, stubborn pastoralists in the Horn decided to hold a meeting in Zeila and collectively decided to all convert to Islam and willingly give up their previous beliefs and practices, thus creating the Somali ethnic group!