Decline of Wahabism Begins

[Haragwaafi]

isis are more salafi than AQ. they arent surooris like pro-ikhwani salafi sheikhs of egypt.
do asharis teach usul thalatha by miaw? here is them teaching kids usul thalatha.
isis didnt express the mass takfir of major "salafi" sheikhs.



teaching other "salafi" books

Takfirism without any proof comes from Ashar'i and similar deviant groups as ISIS and AQ get their ideology from the MB thinker Sayid Qutub

 

[Khaemwaset]

In my college there are alot of rich saudi foreign exchange students. NONE of them pray lol or come to jummah prayers.

I'm friends with many Saudis and I can't say the same.

Why are niggas in this forum always cooming over Arabs being liberal. As if Somalis would care.

 

[reer]

Takfirism without any proof comes from Ashar'i and similar deviant groups as ISIS and AQ get their ideology from the MB thinker Sayid Qutub

are these statements from asharis?
@World notice he isnt defending this openly but defending it subtlely. hes contradicting himself or hes doing taqiyyah because he agrees with it.

this is from durar saniyah is praised/endorsed by ibn baz, uthaymeen, fawzan, munajjid (islamqa.info sheikh):

But: he came from the Levant, and they worship Ibn Arabi; they made an idol on his grave that they worship, and I do not mean all the people of the Levant, God forbid; rather, there is still a group on the truth, even if it is small and has become alienated.
https://archive.org/details/1241825/02_41815/page/n43/mode/2up

this is from a book by MIAW. takfir of a town.

I am reassured that the people of Harimla and those behind them openly insult religion, and that the truth is what most people are on. They use the large number as evidence of the goodness of their religion, and they do and say what is the greatest and most heinous form of apostasy.
https://d1.islamhouse.com/data/ar/ih_books/single8/ar_Mofed_Almostfeed.pdf



He said: What do the Muslim scholars and the imams of the monotheists say about the imamate of a man who says that the Jahmiyyah and Qaburiyyah who deny the monotheism of the Allah and the attributes, and the monotheism of worship, such as most of the people of Dubai, Abu Dhabi, etc., have two opinions, and that the proof (hujjah) has not reached them, and when asked how we resemble them, he said: "They are Muslims," etc. 1325 AH.

In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate
Praise be to Allah alone, the Answer: The Imamah of anyone who does not disbelieve in the disbelief of Jahmiyyah and Qaburites, or doubts their disbelief, is not valid
https://archive.org/details/20200128_20200128_0823/page/n161/mode/2up




In this year, all the people of Al-Qassim [region] apostated, except for the people of Buraydah, Ar Rass, and At-Tanuma. They broke the covenant and agreed to kill all the Muslims in their country.
https://archive.org/details/20200122_20200122_1021/تاريخ نجد - ابن غنام/page/n153/mode/2up

 

[Haragwaafi]

are these statements from asharis?
@World notice he isnt defending this openly but defending it subtlely. hes contradicting himself or hes doing taqiyyah because he agrees with it.

this is from durar saniyah is praised/endorsed by ibn baz, uthaymeen, fawzan, munajjid (islamqa.info sheikh):



this is from a book by MIAW. takfir of a town.

I am reassured that the people of Harimla and those behind them openly insult religion, and that the truth is what most people are on. They use the large number as evidence of the goodness of their religion, and they do and say what is the greatest and most heinous form of apostasy.
https://d1.islamhouse.com/data/ar/ih_books/single8/ar_Mofed_Almostfeed.pdf



He said: What do the Muslim scholars and the imams of the monotheists say about the imamate of a man who says that the Jahmiyyah and Qaburiyyah who deny the monotheism of the Allah and the attributes, and the monotheism of worship, such as most of the people of Dubai, Abu Dhabi, etc., have two opinions, and that the proof (hujjah) has not reached them, and when asked how we resemble them, he said: "They are Muslims," etc. 1325 AH.

In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate
Praise be to Allah alone, the Answer: The Imamah of anyone who does not disbelieve in the disbelief of Jahmiyyah and Qaburites, or doubts their disbelief, is not valid
https://archive.org/details/20200128_20200128_0823/page/n161/mode/2up




In this year, all the people of Al-Qassim [region] apostated, except for the people of Buraydah, Ar Rass, and At-Tanuma. They broke the covenant and agreed to kill all the Muslims in their country.
https://archive.org/details/20200122_20200122_1021/تاريخ نجد - ابن غنام/page/n153/mode/2up

You're mudalis lying on our scholars since you're zandeeq

عن زُهَيرٍ أبي عبدِ الرَّحمنِ السِّجِستانيِّ، أنَّه سأل سلَّامَ بنَ أبي مُطيعٍ عن الجَهْميَّةِ، فقال: (كُفَّارٌ، ولا يُصلَّى خَلْفَهم)

قال البُخاريُّ عن الجَهْميَّةِ: (نظَرتُ في كلامِ اليهودِ والنَّصارى والمجوسِ، فما رأيتُ أضلَّ في كُفرهِم منهم، وإني لأستجهِلُ من لا يُكفِّرُهم إلَّا من لا يَعرِفُ كُفرَهم)

 

[reer]

You're mudalis lying on our scholars since you're zandeeq

عن زُهَيرٍ أبي عبدِ الرَّحمنِ السِّجِستانيِّ، أنَّه سأل سلَّامَ بنَ أبي مُطيعٍ عن الجَهْميَّةِ، فقال: (كُفَّارٌ، ولا يُصلَّى خَلْفَهم)

قال البُخاريُّ عن الجَهْميَّةِ: (نظَرتُ في كلامِ اليهودِ والنَّصارى والمجوسِ، فما رأيتُ أضلَّ في كُفرهِم منهم، وإني لأستجهِلُ من لا يُكفِّرُهم إلَّا من لا يَعرِفُ كُفرَهم)

stop moving the goalposts. do you make takfir on most of the people of dubai and abu dhabi? do you call them jahmiyya?

 

[Haragwaafi]

stop moving the goalposts. do you make takfir on most of the people of dubai and abu dhabi? do you call them jahmiyya?

Which of the muslims takfirs reer Dubai and Abu Dhabi ya mundalis ??

 

[reer]

Which of the muslims takfirs reer Dubai and Abu Dhabi ya mundalis ??

ما قول علماء المسلمين» وأئمة الموحدين في إمامة رجل يقول في الجهمية والقبورية المنكرين لتوحيد الذات والصفات». وتوحيد العبادة. كأكثر أهل دبي وأبي ظبي ونحوهما قولان» وأنهما لم تبلغهما الحجة. ولما سأل كيف تشبهنا بهم؟ قال: هم مسلمون إلخ

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

الحمد لله وحده الجواب: لا تصح(" إمامة من لا يكفر الجهمية والقبوريين» أو يشك في تكفيره

you keep moving the goalposts why dont you come out with your support takfirism and say yes and you support it instead of beating around the bush.

ما في الكويت إلا مشرك، أو أخو المشرك،
There is no one in Kuwait except a mushrik, or the brother of a mushrik.

disgusting but you will not condemn it.

do you make takfir on huremla??? your ulama

I am reassured that the people of Harimla and those behind them openly insult religion, and that the truth is what most people are on. They use the large number as evidence of the goodness of their religion, and they do and say what is the greatest and most heinous form of apostasy.

 

[reer]

this is "salafi" taqiyyah or "salafi" self-contradiction. he will not come out and say "people of so and so town yes they were murtaddin" but he wont distance himself from it.

 

[Haragwaafi]

ما قول علماء المسلمين» وأئمة الموحدين في إمامة رجل يقول في الجهمية والقبورية المنكرين لتوحيد الذات والصفات». وتوحيد العبادة. كأكثر أهل دبي وأبي ظبي ونحوهما قولان» وأنهما لم تبلغهما الحجة. ولما سأل كيف تشبهنا بهم؟ قال: هم مسلمون إلخ

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

الحمد لله وحده الجواب: لا تصح(" إمامة من لا يكفر الجهمية والقبوريين» أو يشك في تكفيره

you keep moving the goalposts why dont you come out with your support takfirism and say yes and you support it instead of beating around the bush.

ما في الكويت إلا مشرك، أو أخو المشرك،
There is no one in Kuwait except a mushrik, or the brother of a mushrik.

disgusting but you will not condemn it.

do you make takfir on huremla??? your ulama

I am reassured that the people of Harimla and those behind them openly insult religion, and that the truth is what most people are on. They use the large number as evidence of the goodness of their religion, and they do and say what is the greatest and most heinous form of apostasy.

Do you read what you posting or do you just post it without comprehending the saying of the scholars??

ما قول علماء المسلمين» وأئمة الموحدين في إمامة رجل يقول في الجهمية والقبورية المنكرين لتوحيد الذات والصفات». وتوحيد العبادة. كأكثر أهل دبي وأبي ظبي ونحوهما قولان» وأنهما لم تبلغهما الحجة. ولما سأل كيف تشبهنا بهم؟ قال: هم مسلمون إلخ

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

الحمد لله وحده الجواب: لا تصح(" إمامة من لا يكفر الجهمية والقبوريين» أو يشك في تكفيره

That's a man asking the sheikh a question about the Jahmiya and sheikh gave him the right answer and didn't takfir the people of Dubai and Abu Dhabi as that answer in includes any muslim who ever doubts about the kufr that Jahamies believe in.

do you make takfir on huremla??? your ulama

I am reassured that the people of Harimla and those behind them openly insult religion, and that the truth is what most people are on. They use the large number as evidence of the goodness of their religion, and they do and say what is the greatest and most heinous form of apostasy.

The Sheikh didn't takfir them and it was the place where he got followers because of his da'wa and it's stupid of you to bring old historical incidents without mentioning their context

 

[Haragwaafi]

this is "salafi" taqiyyah or "salafi" self-contradiction. he will not come out and say "people of so and so town yes they were murtaddin" but he wont distance himself from it.

You have problem with the Sunnah of the prophet صلى الله و عليه وسلم??

 

[Abu Hesi]

Ahlul Hadith aint going no where yaa ahlul bun iyo uunsi

 

[reer]

You have problem with the Sunnah of the prophet صلى الله و عليه وسلم??

وأما من لم يكن في ولاية إمام المسلمين (فلا ندري بجميع أحوالهم وما هم عليه, لكن الغالب على أكثرهم ما ذكرناه أولا من عدم الإسلام) (٢) فمن كان ظاهره الإسلام منهم فيعامل بما يعامل به المسلم في جميع الأحكام.
https://shamela.ws/book/12091/74

do you believe kuwait was only mushriks and brothers of mushriks?
do you believe the towns he made takfir upon were kuffar? be honest
do you believe whoever doesnt takfir on people of makkah is a kafir?
do you believe most people of sham used to worship ibn arabi?
do you believe most of dubai and abu dhabi were jahmis and we cant pray behind them?

 

[Haragwaafi]

وأما من لم يكن في ولاية إمام المسلمين (فلا ندري بجميع أحوالهم وما هم عليه, لكن الغالب على أكثرهم ما ذكرناه أولا من عدم الإسلام) (٢) فمن كان ظاهره الإسلام منهم فيعامل بما يعامل به المسلم في جميع الأحكام.
https://shamela.ws/book/12091/74

do you believe kuwait was only mushriks and brothers of mushriks?
do you believe the towns he made takfir upon were kuffar? be honest
do you believe whoever doesnt takfir on people of makkah is a kafir?
do you believe most people of sham used to worship ibn arabi?
do you believe most of dubai and abu dhabi were jahmis and we cant pray behind them?

You making dumb assertions by not showing the context behind those statements.

Here's an actual takfirism towards Muslims by ahlu bidah in Hejaz during that time

الشريف «مسعود بن سعيد» الذي عاصر الإمام «محمد بن سعود» عندما قدم إليه 30 عالماً من علماء الدعوة لمناظرة علماء أهل مكة، قام بحبسهم في السجن، بعد مناظرتهم التي لم يكن فيها وفاق بين الطرفين. وأمر قاضي مكة أن يصدر فتوى بتكفيرهم، كما رفض السماح لأهل نجد بأداء فريضة الحج، بحجة أن السلفية مذهب جديد مخالف للسنة وما عليه سائر المسلمين.

أصدر علماء مكة فتوى بوجوب قتال الشيخ وأتباعه إذا لم يعدلوا عن رأيهم

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Liberals/Murtadeen/multipolarist making another anti-"Whahabi" or Saudi thread #27822892:

 

[Askari]

Wahhabism has no place in the modern world.you have to live and let live and they can’t live with that.

 

[reer]

You making dumb assertions by not showing the context behind those statements.

Here's an actual takfirism towards Muslims by ahlu bidah in Hejaz during that time

الشريف «مسعود بن سعيد» الذي عاصر الإمام «محمد بن سعود» عندما قدم إليه 30 عالماً من علماء الدعوة لمناظرة علماء أهل مكة، قام بحبسهم في السجن، بعد مناظرتهم التي لم يكن فيها وفاق بين الطرفين. وأمر قاضي مكة أن يصدر فتوى بتكفيرهم، كما رفض السماح لأهل نجد بأداء فريضة الحج، بحجة أن السلفية مذهب جديد مخالف للسنة وما عليه سائر المسلمين.

أصدر علماء مكة فتوى بوجوب قتال الشيخ وأتباعه إذا لم يعدلوا عن رأيهم

they made takfir of the people of makkah. do you agree they were kuffar and and if you dont takfir them you are a kafir? if you agree be honest.


Whoever does not make takfir on the polytheists of the Turkish state and the worshippers of graves, such as the people of Mecca and others who worship the righteous, turn from the monotheism of Allah to polytheism, and change the Sunnah of His Messenger, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, with innovations, is a disbeliever like them, even if he hates their religion, hates them, and loves Islam and Muslims; for whoever does not make takfir on the polytheists does not believe the Qur'an, for it has disbelieved the polytheists and ordered their disbelief, hostility and fighting.

https://app.turath.io/book/3055?page=4015