Greater Israel Explained: The Israeli Plan to Conquer the Arab World (Somalia ties into this i'll explain)

[Idilinaa]

It was clear from the start but they are becoming more brazen. InshaAllah it backfires on them.

Other times they had plausible deniability on their side , or claiming a letter is fake or what have you.

But when you have top ministers within your government caught on camera openly professing this , there is nothing you can do deny it being real. So they are at a loss,

 

[Idilinaa]

Also traitors and internal tensions are not unique to Somalia. Every single country on earth has it.

In a different thread i gave examples of the Norwegian anti-government dissident that bombed a political party headquarters and killed 70 people in political camp on an Island.
There is many of those types of extremist elements in their societies. As well as corrupt politicians that are booted from their posts

Another example is America not only with their various anti-govt militia groups, but also how they did an insurrection and stormed the capital. Same thing here there are corrupt traitor politicians within America , that would comprimise american interests in heartbeat and are routinely booted out or made to resign.

In Australia you have various politicians that are comprimised by China and act on behalf of their interests. And have massive problem with Anti-government extremism:

In recent memories that there has been UK riots where people attacked the public , destroyed business and properties. They have organized movements and groups behind them. Politicians even that supported their carnage.
In Kenya they rioted and destroyed public property and businesses but they also stormed the government capital.

In Singapore there was various bombings and anti-govt subversions throughout the 60s and 70s.

MacDonald House bombing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Now imagine if those countries had a lunatic enemy nation next door as a neighbor, who exploited their western allied ties to arm those various dissidents and traitors to make war and invited them in and hosted them?

They armed not just USC, but all of them the SNM, SDF etc and they are operated like terrorist groups, Isreal also funded and armed them, Libya armed and funded SDF and they had Siad Barre included in an assassination list, they were acting in service of Ethiopia.

It was essentially Ethiopian proxies fighting the Somali government & by extension the Somali nation. It's a distortion to claim it was a civil war.

@EritreanPost_ @Aseer @Kun_Ciil @Galool

 

[Idilinaa]

@EritreanPost_ Eritrea and Somalia was cursed with the worst neighbor in human history.

Even Eritrea, when people criticize them for forcing people into permanent military conscriptions, the only reason they are forced to do that is because Ethopia's constant incursions, threats and provocations against Eritrea's sovereignty they have to be on guard and ready.


Stop for a second and imagine if Sweden was arming dissidents in Norway or vice versa Mexico or Canada armed anti-govt miltia group in America, if North Korea and Russia armed groups to topple China or vice versa.

Of course stuff like that would never happen. Most countries don't have it like we do, they are allied with their neighbors who respect eachothers sovereignty and understand how to work to eachothers mutual benefit. Some of those countries have bad blood and historical greviances but they accept them and move on.

I don't see it changing either. Abyi Ahmed was hope for both Eritrea and Somalia until he crushed any notion of normalization, it shows how they are commited to pursue antagonistic expansions against their neighbors, even if it riddles the whole region underdeveloped/poor and riddled with strife.

@The alchemist summed it up best

All Ethiopian groups want legitimacy and support and fight against the oppressive state for freedom or peace or whatever ethnocentric power-hungry nonsense they peddle. Once they got into power, they still held the same antagonism against Somalis by still carrying out neglect of the Somali region and pushing the same expansionary agendas that have existed since the times of their underhanded colonialism-inviting kings. This is a salient historical fact. To us, it does not matter who is in charge because they are still under the "Ethiopian" umbrella of historical adherence. They all are under this notion of Ethiopianism. We are not.

Anyone who claims Ethiopia was a bastion of anti-colonial freedom fighting can f*ck off. Those people were inviting all types of Europeans to take over all Muslim lands under the Christian pretense, and here are the quotes from horses' mouths:

Menelik:

Mv country is far distant from your country. My road to the coast, to Zeila, Tajura and Aden is at present closed by the Muslims. They prevent my receiving into my country provisions, arms, agricultural implements, artisans or even messengers of the Gospel. Will you kindly raise your powerful voice in order that I may have this way opened to me, for I desire to inaugurate in my country European civilisation, intelligence and arts.[2]

It is funny how similar to Israelis, today's Ethiopians talk a whole lot about the anti-colonial struggle when they actually went out of their way to invite colonialists if they could punish the Muslims or get their lands and resources.

Dejjazmach Sebagadis Weldu asking the British to colonize:

“We want you to take Massawa from the Turks and either hold it (yourself) or hand it over to us as our country is lost by it ... and the Muslim on the Red Sea coast.”

Notice the hold it yourself. Meaning, at least take it, even if we don't get to have it. These are the true faces of Ethiopians, yet somehow they flipped the historical narrative as if Ethiopia were always against colonialism in Africa.

Yohannes, a Tigray chieftain, asked an envoy general by the name of Gordon for territorial access to the sea:

“territorial, and not only functional, access to the sea.”

Again, using colonial channels to push their expansion toward the seas by letting colonialist give away land and resources to Ethiopians from the natives of the coast.

When the Europeans colonized Eritrea, Djibouti, Somaliland, and Somalia, Menelik was furious he had not been given access by the Europeans he invited to colonize in the first place:

"I am about to die from anger because I have remained without bringing one (new) skill, imprisoned (as I am) .... I am a man who has been sentenced to imprisonment for life and prevented from bringing into this country rifles, cannon and workers."

As I said in my historical synthesis on the salient sentiment by the Habash they had an extreme inferiority, a complex of not having a sea access, as if they had phantom pain from having their limb decapitated, when they in true historical observation, never really dominated the sea once, neither when they did have access, as that was predominantly Beja in their vicinity and Somali in our region. Still, the entitlement existed ever since, to areas that they never even had controlled in the first place.

I could go on and on, for example, how Menelik wanted to give Harar to Europeans for sea access.

How a Tigray king, Yohannes said this:

“I do not wish (to open) a counsel in Massawa – I wish Massawa itself.”

Expressively, the Ethiopian project of all its angles always sought control of the coast for their own gain at the direct detriment of the people they would take those accesses from, with no diplomatic intentions.

Yohannes further sent messages to the queen of Britain spieling the same intentions, saying he would want them to control the region instead of Muslims and would want them to give access. The guy fell off in support by the Europeans, and Italians armed Menelik to take him out, with the rest of the Tigray territorial spoils shared between the two.

Ethiopia today is celebrated as an anti-colonialist un-spoiled beacon when it was the most colonialist-inviting country in Africa. It's ridiculous hearing this pan-Africanist saying "Ethiopia was never conquered" when Ethiopia sent letters to invite colonialization and even suggested places to give favors to those colonialist European actors.

Menelik wrote this later:

If I cannot take Tajura by sea, it is not difficult for me to seize the port from this side (overland). However, without coming to blows, I hope that civilised Europe will render me justice and give satisfaction...

we hope that our crown which honours Jesus Christ will never be trampled to the ground by the children of Mohammed.”

“If truly you are the protectors of Christians, it is today that you must give us proof.”

That man did get considerable inland Somali territory and favors by the Europeans but they did not give him what he wanted, coastal territory.

In 1891, Menelik wrote this to Tzar Russia, Britain, Italians, Germans, and the Frenc:h

“Ethiopia has been for four centuries a Christian island in a sea of pagans.” Then he started lying by saying: “Formerly, the boundary of Ethiopia was the sea ... our frontiers on the sea coast fell into the power of the Muslims.”

Here is the concluding text of his intentions, underscoring the pro-colonial, and ambition for expansion for coastal control that rings true as something that has always taken place for whatever Ethiopian people that is in power:

"At present, we do not intend to regain our sea frontiers by force but we trust that the Christian powers guided by our Saviour, will restore to us our sea coast-line . .. at any rate, certain parts of it."

Notice the sentiment that the colonialist invasion was viewed by the Habash as a positive religious allyship.

Menelik wrote this on his deathbed:

“If God gives me strength, I shall re-establish the ancient frontiers (tributaries) of Ethiopia up to Khartoum and as far as Lake Nyanza with all the Gallas included."

After him came Hallie Sellasie, the liar and historical revisionist who said this in the UN Memorandum:

"Prior to the race of European powers to divide up the continent of Africa, Ethiopia included an extensive coastline along the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean. It was only the last 15 years of the 19th century that Ethiopia had been deprived of access to the sea by the loss of Somaliland and Eritrea. The first step in this direction was to seize Massawa by the Italians in 1885. This was followed by a similar seizure of the Benadir and the areas of Somaliland as well as a series of agreements concerning Ethiopia but in regard to which she had not been consulted. It was under these conditions that agreements were concluded in 1880, 1890,1891, 1894."

Here he is telling the world that colonialism was the thing that took away Ethiopians, in his assertion, rightful territory which now includes the entire sea coast of Horn of Africa, Eritrea, Djibouti, Somaliland, and Somalia -- all supposedly previous Ethiopian regions.

This Sellassie placed leaflets on the Royal Air Force of Britain and sent them down on the Italian colonies. It said:

"Eritrean people and the people of Benadir! You were separated from your mother Ethiopia and were put under the yoke of the enemy and under the yoke of the enemy, you still remain.

I have come to restore the independence of my country, including Eritrea and the Benadir whose people will henceforth dwell under the shade of the Ethiopian flag.

In this struggle, We are neither alone nor without arms. We have the help of Great Britain, therefore I summon you to strive to deliver yourselves from the alien slavery ...

Eritrean soldiers in the ranks of Italy, do not fire a single shot against the British who come to help us."

You can clearly see the revisionist attempts by Haille Sellassie and the propaganda he wanted to push. Pay attention to how again, the colonialists are used as an instrument to further the Ethiopanist's goal. To expand upon this, when the colonialists saw themselves exiting the region, Halie Sellassie told the Italians that Eritrea should be given to Ethiopia.

This was structured poorly, but I wanted to roughly write down the facts quickly.

 

[EritreanPost_]

@EritreanPost_ Eritrea and Somalia was cursed with the worst neighbor in human history.

Even Eritrea, when people criticize them for forcing people into permanent military conscriptions, the only reason they are forced to do that is because Ethopia's constant incursions, threats and provocations against Eritrea's sovereignty they have to be on guard and ready.


Stop for a second and imagine if Sweden was arming dissidents in Norway or vice versa Mexico or Canada armed anti-govt miltia group in America, if North Korea and Russia armed groups to topple Russia or vice versa.

Of course stuff like that would never happen. Most countries don't have it like we do, they are allied with their neighbors who respect eachothers sovereignty and understand how to work to eachothers mutual benefit. Some of those countries have bad blood and historical greviances but they accept them and move on.

I don't see it changing either. Abyi Ahmed was hope for both Eritrea and Somalia until he crushed any notion of normalization, it shows how they are commited to pursue antagonistic expansions against their neighbors, even if it riddles the whole region underdeveloped/poor and riddled with strife.

@The alchemist summed it up best

U nailed it. Ethiopia is the worst neighbor we eritreans and Somalis could have.

And all the crimes they committed. And the consequences for my country. Long term military training, sanctions, isolations etc

 

[Idilinaa]

U nailed it. Ethiopia is the worst neighbor we eritreans and Somalis could have.

And all the crimes they committed. And the consequences for my country. Long term military training, sanctions, isolations etc

It's baffling how analysts can't see them as the regional choas makers that they are .

They are propped up by the west and zionists inspite of it, that keeps it a float but they spend time demonizing Somalia and Eritrea in their coverage

 

[Idilinaa]

It's baffling how analysts can't see them as the regional choas makers that they are .

They are propped up by the west and zionists inspite of it, that keeps it a float but they spend time demonizing Somalia and Eritrea in their coverage

Look at this @EritreanPost_ This western interviewer, blaming Eritrea for destablizing the region and destabilizing Somalia.

Afwerki actually lays the reality right in front of her, and sums up all the stuff Ethiopia has done to destabilize Somalia. ''Imposing governments from outside'' is so real.



If this doesn't make it obvious how complicit UN, AU, US and the western media is in whitewashing and absolving Ethiopia of it's many crimes , as well as supporting their destabilizing actions and whitewashing it, then i don't know what does.

 

[The Macrobian]

You might be onto something here. I believe Greater Israel is one part of the plan and they are using the Shi’is to help implement it because they both have the same messianic figure. Notice how the regions that will be incorporated into greater Israel are all regions infiltrated by the Rafidha. They are already fighting some sort of pseudo war against each other it’s because it’s been proven time and time again Iran and Israel are secretly allies. And they will fight a large pseudo war so that Israel will have control over these lands either directly or indirectly through puppet states. Another thing is that I believe Israel is trying to create other Jewish states. For example the houthis who are also part of the pseudo mujahideen rafidha are there in Yemen to recreate the Jewish state of himyar. Ethiopia is there to recreate the kingdom of Simien and Ukraine and Russia are there to recreate the kingdom of khazaria.

 

[Idilinaa]

I believe Somalia is in a better situation now than before. Firstly we can retrospectively look back at things to gain a better understanding, it's a good thing all those twitter archival accounts are starting to reveal the truth to us.

These past few weeks have been eye opening with these revelations.

I can kinda guess as why there is a false biased narrative and misrepresentation painted on what happened in Somalia.

It's because with the collapse of the government they could no longer represent and give their side to what happened. We also lost a crucial united Somali body that could voice our concerns and interests.

So all those treacherous insurgent groups with the help of their international backers and Ethiopia took control of the narrative and started to whitewash not only their crimes/betrayal but also brainwashed and mislead a lot of Somalis who btw imagine them to be liberation fighters , their slander against ICU & Kacaan, who believe they fought because of qabyalaad and doesn't see them for what they are , a pack of disgruntled elitist retribution seekers, self-serving obstructionists who do the bidding of foreign nations to detriment of all Somalis.

 

[Idilinaa]

So all those treacherous insurgent groups with the help of their international backers and Ethiopia took control of the narrative and started to whitewash not only their crimes/betrayal but also brainwashed and mislead a lot of Somalis who btw imagine them to be liberation fighters , their slander against ICU & Kacaan, who believe they fought because of qabyalaad and doesn't see them for what they are , a pack of disgruntled elitist retribution seekers, self-serving obstructionists who do the bidding of foreign nations to detriment of all Somalis.

The most prolific Somali journalist during the 70/80s interviewed several of those insurgent groups, the SNM; SDF, USC etc .

Gives further proof to how they were just disgruntled self-serving retribution seekers, that was exploited by outside actors to aid in destroying Somalia.



I actually plays into why their current day co-horts are obsessed with scapegoating and slandering Siad Barre or the regime. The slander goes so far that they accuse specific officials or Siad Barre of being Atheists, with no evidence.

When you take a step back to reflect on the vomit they spew , you can see it for what it is ''Siad Barre Derangement Syndrome''

You will think they would unite around policy disagreements or economic problems or governing model specifics. Progressing Somalis was never on the agenda table to them, just personal hatred for this one man. Waa caajib

 

[Idilinaa]

The most prolific Somali journalist during the 70/80s interviewed several of those insurgent groups, the SNM; SDF, USC etc .

Gives further proof to how they were just disgruntled self-serving retribution seekers, that was exploited by outside actors to aid in destroying Somalia.



I actually plays into why their current day co-horts are obsessed with scapegoating and slandering Siad Barre or the regime. The slander goes so far that they accuse specific officials or Siad Barre of being Atheists, with no evidence.

When you take a step back to reflect on the vomit they spew , you can see it for what it is ''Siad Barre Derangement Syndrome''

You will think they would unite around policy disagreements or economic problems or governing model specifics. Progressing Somalis was never on the agenda table to them, just personal hatred for this one man. Waa caajib

He pretty much compares it to the Ethiopian TPLF rebel groups he interviewed at the time that ousted Mengistu and says they had a policy agenda/plan for their country after ousting him and a vision for they wanted Ethiopia to be but the Somali insurgents that ousted Siad didn't have a policy agenda or plan for Somalia. Zero vision.

For those who are less than fluent in Somali can understand.

 

[Kun_Ciil]

The most prolific Somali journalist during the 70/80s interviewed several of those insurgent groups, the SNM; SDF, USC etc .

Gives further proof to how they were just disgruntled self-serving retribution seekers, that was exploited by outside actors to aid in destroying Somalia.



I actually plays into why their current day co-horts are obsessed with scapegoating and slandering Siad Barre or the regime. The slander goes so far that they accuse specific officials or Siad Barre of being Atheists, with no evidence.

When you take a step back to reflect on the vomit they spew , you can see it for what it is ''Siad Barre Derangement Syndrome''

You will think they would unite around policy disagreements or economic problems or governing model specifics. Progressing Somalis was never on the agenda table to them, just personal hatred for this one man. Waa caajib

The kacaan government compared to what we have witnessed since its collapse is without doubt incomparable, it was at least a nationalist and functioning government who protected Somali interests..

However, Siad Barre without a doubt he uttered words of gaalnimo and here is your evidence


When championing women rights for equality he went to the point of saying that men and woman are also equal when it comes to their share of inheritance. OK, you can say person could be ignorant and that he was misled by the communist ideology.

However, the way he mocked the ayat of quran talking about inheritance is gaalnimo cad. He isnt ignorant, but he knows the ayat and Allah's ruling but instead his arrogance makes him mock Allah's legislation thinking he has a better way than what Allah has legislated. Here he says " waxa jiri jartay ina la oran jaray rubuc waa thuluth waa khumus waa jinni..labada qof waa simanyihiin." (There used to be a saying that was said - one fourth, a third, a fifth and jinni- both people are equal).

Directly mocking the ayat on the division of inheritance in surah nisaa

11. Allah commands you as regards your children's (inheritance); to the male, a portion equal to that of two females; if (there are) only daughters, two or more, their share is two thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is half. For parents, a sixth share of inheritance to each if the deceased left children; if no children, and the parents are the (only) heirs, the mother has a third; if the deceased left brothers or (sisters), the mother has a sixth. (The distribution in all cases is) after the payment of legacies he may have bequeathed or debts. You know not which of them, whether your parents or your children, are nearest to you in benefit, (these fixed shares) are ordained by Allah. And Allah is Ever All-Knower, All-Wise.

12. In that which your wives leave, your share is a half if they have no child; but if they leave a child, you get a fourth of that which they leave after payment of legacies that they may have bequeathed or debts. In that which you leave, their (your wives) share is a fourth if you leave no child; but if you leave a child, they get an eighth of that which you leave after payment of legacies that you may have bequeathed or debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of lagacies he (or she) may have bequeathed or debts, so that no loss is caused (to anyone). This is a Commandment from Allah; and Allah is Ever All-Knowing, Most-Forbearing.
13. These are the limits (set by) Allah (or ordainments as regards laws of inheritance), and whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ) will be admitted to Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise), to abide therein, and that will be the great success.

14. And whosoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and transgresses His limits, He will cast him into the Fire, to abide therein; and he shall have a disgraceful torment.

And then he goes on to say

"Ina la yabtaan waa gar waa nigulashubay waa nigulashubay wiligiina mana nigalashubin aniga hada inin ku shuba wallahi ana idin fiican iyo billahi. Waa kitaab kaamil Wallahi ana maskax idin hayo waxa idin ku shubeen waa beentood."( you have a right to be surprised, it was poured into you, it was poured into you but it was never poured out of you - I.e the Islamic belief on inheritance. Wallahi I am better for you and billahi. It is a complete book(his mind) wallahi I have intelligence for you, what they have poured into you(the sheikhs) are their lies.

Subhanallah he was talking like fircoon when he says to his people "I want nothing for you except that which I see as good and on the right path."

Disbelieving and denying that which is in the quran is kufur by itself, and mocking the deen of Allah is kufur itself

The proof

65. If you ask them (about this), they declare: "We were only talking idly and joking." Say: "Was it at Allah, and His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and His Messenger () that you were mocking?"

66. Make no excuse; you have disbelieved after you had believed. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you because they were Mujrimun (disbelievers, polytheists, sinners, criminals, etc.).

In the end in 1975 he killed the sheikhs who stood up and opposed his rejection of the ruling of Allah.

 

[Idilinaa]

The kacaan government compared to what we have witnessed since its collapse is without doubt incomparable, it was at least a nationalist and functioning government who protected Somali interests..

However, Siad Barre without a doubt he uttered words of gaalnimo and here is your evidence


When championing women rights for equality he went to the point of saying that men and woman are also equal when it comes to their share of inheritance. OK, you can say person could be ignorant and that he was misled by the communist ideology.

However, the way he mocked the ayat of quran talking about inheritance is gaalnimo cad. He isnt ignorant, but he knows the ayat and Allah's ruling but instead his arrogance makes him mock Allah's legislation thinking he has a better way than what Allah has legislated. Here he says " waxa jiri jartay ina la oran jaray rubuc waa thuluth waa khumus waa jinni..labada qof waa simanyihiin." (There used to be a saying that was said - one fourth, a third, a fifth and jinni- both people are equal).

Directly mocking the ayat on the division of inheritance in surah nisaa




And then he goes on to say

"Ina la yabtaan waa gar waa nigulashubay waa nigulashubay wiligiina mana nigalashubin aniga hada inin ku shuba wallahi ana idin fiican iyo billahi. Waa kitaab kaamil Wallahi ana maskax idin hayo waxa idin ku shubeen waa beentood."( you have a right to be surprised, it was poured into you, it was poured into you but it was never poured out of you - I.e the Islamic belief on inheritance. Wallahi I am better for you and billahi. It is a complete book(his mind) wallahi I have intelligence for you, what they have poured into you(the sheikhs) are their lies.

Subhanallah he was talking like fircoon when he says to his people "I want nothing for you except that which I see as good and on the right path."

Disbelieving and denying that which is in the quran is kufur by itself, and mocking the deen of Allah is kufur itself

The proof



In the end in 1975 he killed the sheikhs who stood up and opposed his rejection of the ruling of Allah.

I didn't get an alert of your post.

I am not sure if this is correct interpretation. As he has done a full length interview with Egyptian journalists about this about the inheritance law controversy and religion.

From this, it looks like the regime was battling kwharij rebels that were trying to incite and provoke violence through the use of religion, threatening to murder people, doing takfir by claiming him and others are atheists and so on.

He also made it frank anything people found that is wrong with the law could be amended and changed if people demanded it

The full interview has been posted before on this forum

EGYPTIAN MAGAZINE INTERVIEWS SIAD BARRE

[ROSE AL-YUSUF Editor Muhammad Awdah's interview with Somali President, Mohammed Siad Barre] Question: But our spiritual, cultural and national heritage is an Islamic heritage. Does that not conflict with the choice of Marxism? Answer: The Somalis are Muslim Arabs. They fully understand the...

www.somalispot.com

 

[Idilinaa]

Plus trying to destroy the country and incite violence because you disagree with one old man, who would have left office in just a few years time has to be idiotic. These criticisms they make even if they were true does not make much sense as a justification.

In the mid 80s Somalia was on it's way towards a regime and a transition as New York Times reported it: All they should have done is wait it out for peaceful transition and build on the regime change and correct/change on things they felt needed it.

What is always apparent to me is that Somalia would have gone in the direction of the Nordic countries who were experimenting with socialism becoming a mixed social -capitalist country in the end. Would have went on the same path as Singapore from dictatorship to elective democracy and it would have just become more increasingly Islam oriented , more people were becoming practicing and wearing hijab during his administration compared to Aden's. That's the transition it would have made if people allowed it to.

Also notice it says:

''Thousands of Somalis, waving green branches to symbolize life and rebirth filled the streets of the capital to welcome their leader''

It shows how much he was embraced and loved by the local civilian populous. They try to paint things through the perceptive of disgruntled individuals and imply the government was hated.

 

[Galool]