Haile Selassie had haplogroup T-L208

[NidarNidar]

I have no idea about Haile Sellasie , i thought yall was talking about Nidar's Dir lineage.

edit: Lmao look at this @NidarNidar . This is like the Ghenghis Khan effect baring the DNA ancestry of your conquerors

One of the guys got back to me, his background is Amhara who has roots in Dirdhiba and Harar, going to see if he can take a Big Y.

 

[Step a side]

His Amhara who has roots in Dirdhiba and Harar, he got back to me, going to see if he can take a Big Y.

Native to Dirdhaba - Harar with T lineage? There is a real high possibility that he is a lost Dir.

 

[NidarNidar]

Native to Dirdhaba - Harar with T lineage? There is a real high possibility that he is a lost Dir.

Probably migrated down from the north after being left to guard the Amhara forts during the futah, but ended up becoming Amhara and eventually coming back home by faith.

 

[Aseer]

The site became unbearable because it is full of naive and stupid children.
Can you believe that this unknown video is the only source this idiotic post is based on?
That shows you how naive @NidarNidar is !!!!!!
This is typically a Laangaab syndrome.

Bro does not want to claim haile selassie its understandable, I would tweak out as well if I were you

 

[NidarNidar]

Bro does not want to claim haile selassie its understandable, I would tweak out as well if I were you

Some people can't take a joke, but on the sad note, we did leave people behind.

 

[Midas]

I'm sure non somali muslims existed in the imams time. But why does it seem like all the non somali muslims off ethiopia either post state the imams time. Or arr assimilated somalis. And what does that say about the muslims in the horn of africa in the early centuries. Where they entirely somali?

 

[Midas]

Also it's just occurred to me but if I rember correctly we don't have any evidence for non somali muslims from the horn of africa who went to the wider middle east . Since they all seem to have the nisa habesha which meant they were slaves who converted to islam their?

 

[Idilinaa]

One of the guys got back to me, his background is Amhara who has roots in Dirdhiba and Harar, going to see if he can take a Big Y.

How many generations back are yall related?

Also it's just occurred to me but if I rember correctly we don't have any evidence for non somali muslims from the horn of africa who went to the wider middle east . Since they all seem to have the nisa habesha which meant they were slaves who converted to islam their?

It was only Somalis carrying the nisba Al-Zaylai and Al-Jabarti, and all other non-Somalis from the horn carried the nisba Al-Habash. It didn't always mean they were slaves but they sometimes arrived as slaves and coverted through slavery.

We know it's Somalis who only carried because:
1) Fakr Ad-Din Zayla describes their geography as modern day Somali inhabited land seperated it from Eritrea and the highlands. Describe it as a common nation.
2) Al Maqrizi and Abu Frida's descriptions of Jabarti region and meaning.
2) Al-Umari describes the Zayala language and says it's 1 common language that all the Muslims speak.
3) Most of the non-Muslim Somali groups near us converted to Islam in the 18th century

 

[Midas]

How many generations back are yall related?



It was only Somalis carrying the nisba Al-Zaylai and Al-Jabarti, and all other non-Somalis from the horn carried the nisba Al-Habash. It didn't always mean they were slaves but they sometimes arrived as slaves and coverted through slavery.

We know it's Somalis who only carried because:
1) Fakr Ad-Din Zayla describes their geography as modern day Somali inhabited land seperated it from Eritrea and the highlands. Describe it as a common nation.
2) Al Maqrizi and Abu Frida's descriptions of Jabarti region and meaning.
2) Al-Umari describes the Zayala language and says it's 1 common language that all the Muslims speak.
3) Most of the non-Muslim Somali groups near us converted to Islam in the 18th century

I feel like there of course must be non somali horn muslims before ahmed gurey(dahlak sultnate). But i thinks it's very telling there doesn't seem to be much evidence for any possible islamic center of learning in the rest of the horn predating the 1500s. They all seem to tie themselves back to harar. It's honestly wild that they think the shewa sultanate if that was even a thing. Could somehow be centerd n somali territory but be established by non somalis . when all of it's urban centers and the majority of it's territory was inhabited by Somalis.

 

[Idilinaa]

I feel like there of course must be non somali horn muslims before ahmed gurey(dahlak sultnate). But i thinks it's very telling there doesn't seem to be much evidence for any possible islamic center of learning in the rest of the horn predating the 1500s. They all seem to tie themselves back to harar. It's honestly wild that they think the shewa sultanate if that was even a thing. Could somehow be centerd n somali territory but be established by non somalis . when all of it's urban centers and the majority of it's territory was inhabited by Somalis.

There were also Afar, but they were usually known as Al-Danakil. They were really a weak and impoverished community under the foot of Christian Amhara centered around the port of Beylul, and the ones outside of Mocha were nominal Muslims according to Ibn Haytim .

It's not really surprising that there wasn't really any significant learning centers in the rest of the horn, as Islam wasn't allowed to get a firm foot on the ground due to constant genocidal persecutions by the Christians. I mean look at how much was undone , all the towns and mosques Somalis built and the conversions that took place during the conquest of Abyssinian and all that remains are a few families that can trace their descent to Somali clans.

Harar is interesting because you can see that Somalis were not only continuing the Jihad against Oromos and Non-Muslims from there as a political center but they were also using it as a base for conversions and to spread deen.

So it's not an exaggeration to say that Somalis were the vanguards of Islam in the region. Even Salman Reis pointed it out:

@Midas @Shimbiris

As a carry on from the info above. Salman Reis the Ottoman describes the port of Zayla during the 1500s as a place for book production and distribution. And the major driver of Islamic activities ''The Frontier of Islam''

''and near a port which is known as Zaila stands a city called Janasir. They call it's rulers Mujahidin and they are all very pious. Most learned books are distributed from Zaila. That province is the frontier of Islam. Every year raids are carried against the infidel Habes, on the path of Allah, by way of holy war and they fight hard...

Btw Baylul is Afar/Danakil port.

 

[Idilinaa]

It's not really surprising that there wasn't really any significant learning centers in the rest of the horn, as Islam wasn't allowed to get a firm foot on the ground due to constant genocidal persecutions by the Christians. I mean look at how much was undone , all the towns and mosques Somalis built and the conversions that took place during the conquest of Abyssinian and all that remains are a few families that can trace their descent to Somali clans.

They built many towns and mosques

Just to add this last one:

When Somalis conquered the highlands , they were seen as liberators by the populations living there: As the Portuguese stationed there noted: Ethiopians pretty much hated their monarch and their lords oppressed them

This oppression pretty much continued into 19th century and i believe it relates to the issue today as well.

Their dirgo army groups would move throughout the highlands and sexually assault the villagers and steal from them and ruin their dwellings. Almedia gives an account on this:

@Midas it makes me wonder how much more free, prosperous and progressive the whole horn would have been if the Portuguese didn't get involved and the Muslims maintained control of the highlands.

And i feel like it would have rid people of ethnic/religious differences and people would have come under one collective cultural identity rooted in Islam.

Also much more would have been preserved in the process.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Warra yejju the muslim clan solomonic dynasty mixed with have known somali assimialtes from the futah era.

Specifically Habar Awal Sacad Muuse decedenting from the Habar Magaadle.

My maternal uncle met some while he was traveling through wollo region preaching Islam. My moms side are big wadaado.

not only could this be the Dir T, we could even know his exact subclan if his grandson does Yfull

Sacad Muuse aren’t T-M70 and we got nothing to with Oromos. T-M70 is in mostly Garxajis & some HJ in Isaaq