Haplogroup map

He said that he speaks af maay in one of his responses so i assume that he might be digil iyo mirifle paternally who did a 23&me. If so he should also do a deeper test so we could get a digil iyo mirfle branch in somaliy.
My name clearly says banadiri not digil and mirifle. Af Maay isn't only spoken by digil and mirifle. There are few digil and mirifle's on yfull, one is Barbaare by lineage and luwaay by alliance, and another is leysaan but didn't mention his sub clan to hint to any specific lineage.

Will take years for there to be enough digil and mirifle yfull results from all clans to come to any conclusions
 
Yeah but aren’t D&M (on average) not 40% Natufian related and 60% AEA related like the rest of us Somali, Oromo etc
No there's no average, has there been digil and mirifle's from all clans that tested to even come to some sort of estimation?. Plus it wouldn't even make sense for there to be an average due to the diversity, there definitely wouldn't be an average for example for Eelay
 

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My name clearly says banadiri not digil and mirifle. Af Maay isn't only spoken by digil and mirifle.
It's a bit confusing, you said you speak maay did you not then how do you explain it also you appear to know a fair bit about their lineages and history which further enforces us to assume relatability. Is it that you're maternally digil iyo mirifle?

There are few digil and mirifle's on yfull, one is Barbaare by lineage and luwaay by alliance, and another is leysaan but didn't mention his sub clan to hint to any specific lineage.
You mean the one who had T and the other with the j haplogroup? If so then i know about them and they seem to be an outlawyer.

Will take years for there to be enough digil and mirifle yfull results from all clans to come to any conclusions
We could always ask them to do a test that'll get things moving. By the way what's your haplogroup?
 
No there's no average, has there been digil and mirifle's from all clans that tested to even come to some sort of estimation?. Plus it wouldn't even make sense for there to be an average due to the diversity, there definitely wouldn't be an average for example for Eelay
If they were drastically different then we would have seen this ancestry spill over to other Somalis in the region. D&M are not immigrants from Arabia or Persia. They are native to the region. The entirety of Ethiopia are on average the same so why would D&M be different? Yes sure some Ethiopians have slightly higher or lower proportions of the 40/60 ratio of Natufian related and SSA related ancestries but the bulk of Ethiopia including D&M are on average the same just like their Samaale brothers
 

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I heard digil have adopted Bantu and it makes almost 60% digil numbers.
That's a given due to slavery in the south, no such use for slaves in the north, not adopted but married bantu woman most likely, I doubt a Somali would adopt grown as guys.
Saxib how do you do this?
T-L208 average in Somalis is between 15-25%, the rest being E-V32 and 1-5% of various haplogroups like A, B and J1 etc...
 
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If they were drastically different then we would have seen this ancestry spill over to other Somalis in the region. D&M are not immigrants from Arabia or Persia. They are native to the region. The entirety of Ethiopia are on average the same so why would D&M be different? Yes sure some Ethiopians have slightly higher or lower proportions of the 40/60 ratio of Natufian related and SSA related ancestries but the bulk of Ethiopia including D&M are on average the same just like their Samaale brothers
Has there been sufficient tests on all ethnic groups and tribes in Ethiopia? So would a bilis d&m be getting same results as a jàreer d&m? Obviously not, so how would there be an average for D&M. They're drastically different amongst themselves, other Somalis don't have same clan structure as d&m clans to be comparing
 
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Has there been sufficient tests on all ethnic groups and tribes in Ethiopia? So would a bilis d&m be getting same results as a Madow d&m? Obviously not, so how would there be an average for D&M. They're drastically different amongst themselves, other Somalis don't have same clan structure as d&m clans to be comparing

The bulk of the Horn of African population descend from proto Cushitic tribes that were genetically the same. A modern Somali today matches the ancient pastoralist from Kenya 5000 years ago.


The only difference would be the slight higher Bantu admixture here and there among certain Digil and Mirifle
 
It's a bit confusing, you said you speak maay did you not then how do you explain it also you appear to know a fair bit about their lineages and history which further enforces us to assume relatability. Is it that you're maternally digil iyo mirifle?
Because their history and lineage is available online, Sheekh Eethin Sheekh Sa'iid has a book in Arabic and also a playlist on YouTube in Maay on their history. There's also Italian sources were information was collected from d&m informants. Yes I am. All banadiris that lived in dhoobey and dooy for generations speak af maay .
You mean the one who had T and the other with the j haplogroup? If so then i know about them and they seem to be an outlawyer.
T one isn't an outlier when it's very common. Haven't seen any J, but there's an E-M34 Leysaan who didn't state his sub clan or anything about his origin, so that result is useless so far.
We could always ask them to do a test that'll get things moving. By the way what's your haplogroup?
I didn't take the test
 
The bulk of the Horn of African population descend from proto Cushitic tribes that were genetically the same. A modern Somali today matches the ancient pastoralist from Kenya 5000 years ago.


The only difference would be the slight higher Bantu admixture here and there among certain Digil and Mirifle
There wouldn't be bantu admixture, why would they be when they didn't even intermarry? If there wasn't any intermarriage between the boon who are much closer then what makes you think there would've been bantu intermarriage?
 
There wouldn't be bantu admixture, why would they be when they didn't even intermarry? If there wasn't any intermarriage between the boon who are much closer then what makes you think there would've been bantu intermarriage?

You just said there is a madow D&M. They the Bantu right?
 

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Yes I am. All banadiris that lived in dhoobey and dooy for generations speak af maay .
Interesting so does that mean you or some of your ancestors lived in the interior?

T one isn't an outlier when it's very common.
His branch of T is quite unique and different from the rest of the T carrying somalis.

I didn't take the test
You should, at the very least try doing a 23&me. It'll be interesting to see what you'll get and you might find some interesting matches.
 

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Interesting so does that mean you or some of your ancestors lived in the interior?


His branch of T is quite unique and different from the rest of the T carrying somalis.


You should, at the very least try doing a 23&me. It'll be interesting to see what you'll get and you might find some interesting matches.
Mark my word he will be T, them lost Dirs spread everywhere. :mjlol:
 
You just said there is a madow D&M. They the Bantu right?
No, jàreer ≠ bantu, jàreer d&m would be like Eyle , Gawaawiin , the jàreer of Geledi, Bagadi, Shan caleemood, Eelay, Hariin etc . They're all of similar ethnic stock, for example Eyle, Gawaawiin and jàreers of dhoobey claim to be descendants of three sons of shaash . As for the Eelay jàreers then they migrated with rest of Eelay to their modern day lands in south and that's the case for most mirifle clans
 
Interesting so does that mean you or some of your ancestors lived in the interior?
Yes, almost every clan had branches that were living in interior involved in trade or da'wah
His branch of T is quite unique and different from the rest of the T carrying somalis.
Wouldn't be unique from rest of d&m tho so not an outlier tbh.
You should, at the very least try doing a 23&me. It'll be interesting to see what you'll get and you might find some interesting matches.
Yes In Shaa' Allah
 
Notice the haplgroup t spreading in middle class of Africa, Somalia and some small pockets in India. Is T originally from India?


Oldest remain for haplogroup T was in Jordan near 10k years ago.



 

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