Have this generation of western Somalis stopped marrying?

[Periplus]

There is a wedding every week lol, do you live under a rock niyow, matter of fact there is a wedding boom happening at the moment.

Yeah fr, since Covid a lot of ppl have been getting married.

 

[Qeelbax]

there’s actually a high amount of singles In That age group it’s possible it’s higher then alot of other Muslim communities

False.

 

[NinWero]

I agree, my cousin who's a female and her friends are entering their 30's and they kept rejecting suitable candidates for a long time.

Not sure what they had in mind, but they're at that age where now they have to get married, I told them if they can't find someone where they are, theirs plenty of nice educated guys in Somalia.

 

[Angelina]

I think there are many factors at play.Somali women are more educated than Somali men, Somali women have less options of available spouses to choose from compared to Somali men, men for example can marry ajanabis whether Muslim or Gaal while Somali women even if they wanted to marry other Muslim ethnicities, since Muslim men from the MENA & South Asia are less likely to marry them and other Black Muslim women.Some Somali women have increasingly become career-oriented and have no interest in starting families as well

It also doesn’t help there are a lot of Somali male bums who are not suitable for marriage

What you’re saying doesn’t make sense. Somali women can marry Muslim ajnabis though. So any additional option Somali men have, so do the women.

it isn’t true that MENA men are less likely to marry black Somali women. There are plenty that are married to Arab and Turkish men. Just go on TikTok. You’ll find Abdis in he comment section though calling them cheap and clean though.

The main reason why Somali girls don’t marry out is;

1: Pride in culture and languages
2: Wanting to be able to maybe visit or go back without any hassle.
3: Parents being staunchly against it.
4: Scaremongering that Ajnabis will mistreat you.
5: Cultural stigmatization and Abdis with their relentless billing and insecurity.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

What you’re saying doesn’t make sense. Somali women can marry Muslim ajnabis though. So any additional option Somali men have, so do the women.

it isn’t true that MENA men are less likely to marry black Somali women. There are plenty that are married to Arab and Turkish men. Just go on TikTok. You’ll find Abdis in he comment section though calling them cheap and clean though.

The main reason why Somali girls don’t marry out is;

1: Pride in culture and languages
2: Wanting to be able to maybe visit or go back without any hassle.
3: Parents being staunchly against it.
4: Scaremongering that Ajnabis will mistreat you.
5: Cultural stigmatization and Abdis with their relentless billing and insecurity.

Never said Somali women NEVER marry foreign Muslim men but it is true black Muslim women including Somali women have a harder time marrying non-black Muslim men.This trend is even common among black gaalos were black women have a hard time getting non-black men.Which is why Somali women are more likely to marry within the black Muslim community (Horners,West Africans etc) and Black convert males.I have even seen this trend among black minorities in Arab speaking societies where the Black Arab male has it easier to marry a ‘white’ Arab female than the other way around

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Somali men do have more options available for marriage compared to Somali women not just for this reason but certainly not for any of the ridiculous reasons you pointed out.I doubt the average Somali young woman thinks about what some incel online trolls think of her relationship plus most relationships aren’t shown off online

 

[Taij4an]

Hold up since most of these marriages ain’t even halal, does that make their kids garacyo?

Yes
it also means these men are committing zina every week
and also technically there kids do not belong to them either, so they basically messed up their nasab and now inheritance can't even go to their own children, even though it probably will and now u got inheritance and money going to the wrong ppl which is also haram

 

[Angelina]

Never said Somali women NEVER marry foreign Muslim men but it is true black Muslim women including Somali women have a harder time marrying non-black Muslim men.This trend is even common among black gaalos were black women have a hard time getting non-black men.Which is why Somali women are more likely to marry within the black Muslim community (Horners,West Africans etc) and Black convert males.I have even seen this trend among black minorities in Arab speaking societies where the Black Arab male has it easier to marry a ‘white’ Arab female than the other way around

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Somali men do have more options available for marriage compared to Somali women not just for this reason but certainly not for any of the ridiculous reasons you pointed out.I doubt the average Somali young woman thinks about what some incel online trolls think of her relationship plus most relationships aren’t shown off online

With all due respect, what you’re getting at is BS. If Somali women have a harder time then YOU as male have an even harder time.

Muslim Arab men do not need Walis to get married, but their women do. Why would an Arab/Asian man give his daughter away to black man especially when his grandkids would not be able to claim an Arab qabil?

I live in an Arab country at the moment. Their men marry out more than the women. It is harder for a woman to marry out. So, please explain how a Somali man would be able to marry an Asian or Arab girl easier than a Somali woman marrying an Arab man? The men are free.

Anti blackness that you find in those societies effect the men more than the women as those societies are patriarchal and don’t care about who their sons marry compared to that of a female.

So, how do Somali men have more options? In fact you’ll have a lot harder time getting an Arab/Asian woman than the other way around?

I see just as much Somali women marrying Arab/Pakistanis in fact I see more online. I’ve seen Somali women marry Khaleeji men but I’ve never seen the opposite.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

With all due respect, what you’re getting at is BS. If Somali women have a harder time then YOU as male have an even harder time.

Muslim Arab men do not need Walis to get married, but their women do. Why would an Arab/Asian man give his daughter away to black man especially when his grandkids would not be able to claim an Arab qabil?

I live in an Arab country at the moment. Their men marry out more than the women. It is harder for a woman to marry out. So, please explain how a Somali man would be able to marry an Asian or Arab girl easier than a Somali woman marrying an Arab man? The men are free.

Anti blackness that you find in those societies effect the men more than the women as those societies are patriarchal and don’t care about who their sons marry compared to that of a female.

So, how do Somali men have more options? In fact you’ll have a lot harder time getting an Arab/Asian woman than the other way around?

I see just as much Somali women marrying Arab/Pakistanis in fact I see more online. I’ve seen Somali women marry Khaleeji men but I’ve never seen the opposite.

Yes the MENA men and South Asian men are free but they prefer to marry European (including white North Americans) and other Eurasian populations before marrying a black woman.

In most society racism towards blacks when it comes to romantic relationships is mostly toward black women including Somali women.A dark man even in racist countries can be seen as handsome as darkness is associated with masculinity in majority of the Eurasian populations of the world especially the Muslim World.This is also why women are more likely to bleach themselves compared to men

I doubt you know much about Arab societies even in the one you are living because of the language barrier and your lack of insight into these societies, having actual friends or Arab relatives.
I’m married to a Moroccan and been there multiple time plus also got insight from asking Moroccans about this phenomenon before.Most of them agreed jn Moroccan society the black Moroccan men have it easier to marry a white looking Moroccan compared to their black female counterparts.Even though Morocco as a nation are far less racist than other Arab speaking nations especially in the Khaleej,the Levant & Iraq

There are even studies that have shown although among gaalos (not that different as One Ummah stuff ain’t practical in real life) that black women are the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to the dating hierarchy.The only people I have seen lust over Somali/Ethio women are black males since among the black community Horners are closest to the Eurocentric beauty standard set for women compared to other black women

Again I never said Somali women never marry non-black foreigners but the vast majority stay with black people and that’s because there is a lack of sincere interest (marriage proposals) from Muslim Eurasian males.Somalis and other Horner men have it easier marrying foreigners whether Muslim or gaal.The world sucks and Eurocentric beauty standards sucks but it’s how the world currently operates

 

[Angelina]

Yes the MENA men and South Asian men are free but they prefer to marry European (including white North Americans) and other Eurasian populations before marrying a black woman.

In most society racism towards blacks when it comes to romantic relationships is mostly toward black women including Somali women.A dark man even in racist countries can be seen as handsome as darkness is associated with masculinity in majority of the Eurasian populations of the world especially the Muslim World.This is also why women are more likely to bleach themselves compared to men

You’re talking about attraction and I’m talking about actual marriage. You as a Somali man cannot freely marry their women no matter how attracted they are to you. But their men can. You’re not taking cultural marriages into account whatsoever.

I doubt you know much about Arab societies even in the one you are living because of the language barrier and your lack of insight into these societies, having actual friends or Arab relatives.

You have no idea about my interactions with them. but I do, I don’t like to talk about my personal life but I’d say I have more of interaction with local women than the average due to the nature of my work which I don’t want to go into detail.

I’m married to a Moroccan and been there multiple time plus also got insight from asking Moroccans about this phenomenon before.Most of them agreed jn Moroccan society the black Moroccan men have it easier to marry a white looking Moroccan compared to their black female counterparts.Even though Morocco as a nation are far less racist than other Arab speaking nations especially in the Khaleej,the Levant & Iraq

Moroccans aren’t Arab and their women are more free than Arab/South Asian women. They are known to have the freedoms to marry from every nationality. Hence, they don’t count at ALL. Also, for every Moroccan woman married to a Somali, there are Algerian men married to Somali women. Don’t like those unions though as these women suffer.


There are even studies that have shown although among gaalos (not that different as One Ummah stuff ain’t practical in real life) that black women are the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to the dating hierarchy.The only people I have seen lust over Somali/Ethio women are black males since among the black community Horners are closest to the Eurocentric beauty standard set for women compared to other black women


Not true, you see more Somali women married to white revert men that it’s become a joke/meme. There are more Somali women married to white men than probably the other way around with regards to reverts.

Again I never said Somali women never marry non-black foreigners but the vast majority stay with black people and that’s because there is a lack of sincere interest (marriage proposals) from Muslim Eurasian males.Somalis and other Horner men have it easier marrying foreigners whether Muslim or gaal.The world sucks and Eurocentric beauty standards sucks but it’s how the world currently operates

You’re looking it at a Western lense. In the ME white men are looked at as handsome not black men though. So why anti-black stigma that a black woman has a black man has it here. To couple it you can’t even marry into their families as the family get involved.


YOu also conveniently forgot to touch on. How do Somali men marry into conservative societies that take more than attraction into account? What the girl feels in terms of your looks means nothing. The only country you can pull that is Moroccans. But those lot marry from every nation?

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

@Angelina

Some Somali men online want to project their issues onto Somali women and act as if Somali women are undesirable, lmao. On which planet are Somali women bottom on any list?

If anything, Somali women suffer from being fetishised and targeted for marriage more than any other Muslim demographic in the West. I think White reverts target us because they think they have a shot, Black reverts target us because they fetishise us. Either way, Somali women are sought out, whether it's for good or bad intentions.

As for Arab and other Asian males, again, Somali women are the ones who run away from them. No Somali woman seeks out Asian males on purpose, I don't think it's a common preference and their cultures are highly undesirable.

 

[Djokovic]

I’ve already been married 5 Times and divorced 4 times I’m only 22

 

[Taij4an]

I’ve already been married 5 Times and divorced 4 times I’m only 22

why

 

[Angelina]

@Angelina

Some Somali men online want to project their issues onto Somali women and act as if Somali women are undesirable, lmao. On which planet are Somali women bottom on any list?

If anything, Somali women suffer from being fetishised and targeted for marriage more than any other Muslim demographic in the West. I think White reverts target us because they think they have a shot, Black reverts target us because they fetishise us. Either way, Somali women are sought out, whether it's for good or bad intentions.

As for Arab and other Asian males, again, Somali women are the ones who run away from them. No Somali woman seeks out Asian males on purpose, I don't think it's a common preference and their cultures are highly undesirable.

He definitely is. Even if you take desirability politics to the side. How does a Somali man have an easier time marrying into Asian/Arab families when a lot of those girls can’t even marry a man from their nation who isn’t their cousin/from their qabil. Is that guy having a laugh?

 

[HiraanBorn]

Most Somalis born and raised in the west have zero social skills with opposite sex Somalis. The blame lies with sex segregating Somali parents who would frown upon and shame them for doing so once they hit puberty and then not help them find partners to the extent other ethnicities do. I also blame unrealistic standards for partners. Compare this to other ethnicities who fall in love and stick by each others' side after meeting in high school or social gatherings despite being broke and without direction at a young age. Somali youth are more concerned about meher price, wedding venues, if traditional roles will be followed, and a pile of other bullshit rather than getting to know the person and clicking with them. They see marriage as a business agreement. It's no wonder.

This is one of the few times I completely agree with you @AbdiFreedom

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

He definitely is. Even if you take desirability politics to the side. How does a Somali man have an easier time marrying into Asian/Arab families when a lot of those girls can’t even marry a man from their nation who isn’t their cousin/from their qabil. Is that guy having a laugh?

I have seen Asian women who chase Somali guys, but the truth is they can't bring Faarax to their family for fear of being beaten up or sent back to their home country. Asian patriarchal misogyny and 'Honour" culture, is on another level, nothing compares to it.

 

[Indeed]

@Angelina a Somali man can easily marry a foreign lady, what are you talking about? Can’t say the same for Somali ladies unless they marry a bumberclurt Jamaican convert at a local mosque.

 

[Angelina]

@Indeed

why give me a Qashin when you know damn well what I’m saying is the truth. The average timo Jelec girl/Asian girl can’t even freely marry a man from our own nation, yet you think you can marry them when an Imran or an Abdalla from a different Qabilla/caste struggles.

The delusions of people here is certainly interesting.

 

[HiraanBorn]

I’ve already been married 5 Times and divorced 4 times I’m only 22

Walaal I must say I am surprised by this revelation, you seemed like an easy guy to get along with.

 

[Angelina]

@Angelina a Somali man can easily marry a foreign lady, what are you talking about? Can’t say the same for Somali ladies unless they marry a bumberclurt Jamaican convert at a local mosque.

Saxib, we are talking about Arab/Asian girls. Men from their own countries from different tribes struggle. What on earth are you talking about?

Stop with the low self esteem and gender wars.

 

[HiraanBorn]

@Indeed

why give me a Qashin when you know damn well what I’m saying is the truth. The average timo Jelec girl/Asian girl can’t even freely marry a man from our own nation, yet you think you can marry them when an Imran or an Abdalla from a different Qabilla/caste struggles.

The delusions of people here is certainly interesting.

I swear I find your manner of discourse engaging and at times aggressive

I've always admired it kkkk