History of unified rule in Somalia

[Gantaal97]

He wanted to bring SOMALI Muslims together. If this was about just muslims he would have tried to include afars, hararis, eastern oromos etc.
Read any book about Somali history and you will know somaliweyn was envisioned by the SYL with the inspiration from the Sayyid

The Sayyid wasn't a Somaliweyn that'd just a propaganda spread by the kacaan regime he was an islamist who wanted to spread his religious views or new Sufi order to the Somali people and ironically it was the somalis who ended the darawiish movement cuz of his brutal way of ruling.

SYL or SYC as it was known during the British occupation of Southern Somalia was set up by the British who supported a united Somali stated in the horn of Africa but that idea was put down by the Americans and the Soviets who were suspicious of British motives in the region.

 

[Bundasliga]

The Sayyid wasn't a Somaliweyn that'd just a propaganda spread by the kacaan regime he was an islamist who wanted to spread his religious views or new Sufi order to the Somali people

So basically he wanted to unite Somalis under the umbrella of religion and ethnicity . If that's not a definition of "somaliweyn" then I don't know...

 

[Gantaal97]

So basically he wanted to unite Somalis under the umbrella of religion and ethnicity . If that's not a definition of "somaliweyn" then I don't know...

Does Somaliweyn also include killing other Somalis and takfiring in order to establish a unified Somali state?? You know how bloody the Darawiish war was for Somali people??

 

[reer]

Does Somaliweyn also include killing other Somalis and takfiring in order to establish a unified Somali state?? You know how bloody the Darawiish war was for Somali people??

he was 100x better than the alternative which was selassie and menelik annexation. somalis who badmouthed him and were soon ran a train on by mussolini + britain + selassie. mac sonkor to the traitors. the sayyid was vindicated by their actions.

 

[Gantaal97]

he was 100x better than the alternative which was selassie and menelik annexation. somalis sho badmouthed him and were soon ran a train on by mussolini britain selassie. mac sonkor.

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His takfiring position and ruthless way of ruling is what made Somalis during that time to turn against him and chase him deep into Ogaadeen territory where died somewhere in the desert that sounds to me not a person who actually wanted to bring Somalis together.

 

[reer]

His takfiring position and ruthless way of ruling is what Somalis during that time to turn against him and chase him deep into Ogaadeen territory where died somewhere in the desert that sounds to me not a person who actually wanted to bring Somalis together.

typical caqli somali. always hating. he was brutal and ruthless. but he was 100x better than any somali in his time. somalis are fickle minded treacherous treasonous and only listen to karbash and blood. that is why they are docile to xabashis. that is why they feared the sayyid. and after ww1 when the muslim world was weakened finally overthrew on him. somalis are haters ungrateful treasonous treacherous stupid dumb and virtually blind. they will sell themselves and their land in a heartbeat for some grazing land and shillings. he understood that. that is one of the reasons why his moved lasted 21 years. that is a reason why he was able to form the 1st cross clan proto state. he broke the traditions through brute force. that is the only proven way to deal with nomads and the way to civilize illiterate nomads.

 

[Bundasliga]

Does Somaliweyn also include killing other Somalis and takfiring in order to establish a unified Somali state?? You know how bloody the Darawiish war was for Somali people??

No/yes .

Fact of the matter is Ethiopia pushed west ,Britain north & Italy south .
There was no single place under full somali control .

Jihad is justified .
His movement was the most successful against the colonial powers .
What other options do you had? Join darawiish or serve the colonialist.

 

[Gantaal97]

No/yes .

Fact of the matter is Ethiopia pushed west ,Britain north & Italy south .
There was no single place under full somali control .

Jihad is justified .
His movement was the most successful against the colonial powers .
What other options do you had? Join darawiish or serve the colonialist.

British and italians were there long for long time and he did sign treaties with them his war was more of imposing his newly embraced Islamic or sufi order theology to the Somalis even if that required a brute force and Somalis who fought against him fought in the name of preserving the Qadariyah order as the Sayyid takfired any follower of that order in return Somali Qadariya clerics takfired him. The whole bs that he was anti colonialist and fought for the freedom of somalis is a myth made up by the kacaan regime.

 

[Bundasliga]

British and italians were there long for long time and he did sign treaties with them his war was more of imposing his newly embraced Islamic or sufi order theology to the Somalis even if that required a brute force and Somalis who fought against him fought in the name of preserving the Qadariyah order as the Sayyid takfired any follower of that order in return Somali Qadariya clerics takfired him. The whole bs that he was anti colonialist and fought for the freedom of somalis is a myth made up by the kacaan regime.

Yes kacaan regime made him totally up .
"Mad mullah" is made up & the dead British troops are also made up kacaan even faked English & American newspapers 50 years later .
Kacaan also was a sufi movement not a socialist .
The colonial missionary did in reality dawah to the nomads & the cathedrals are just fancy mosques .

 

[Gantaal97]

Yes kacaan regime made him totally up .
"Mad mullah" is made up & the dead British troops are also made up kacaan even faked English & American newspapers 50 years later .
Kacaan also was a sufi movement not a socialist .
The colonial missionary did in reality dawah to the nomads & the cathedrals are just fancy mosques .

Christian missionary didn't exist in Somali territories instead those missionary Christian groups established orphanage in Djbouti Somaliland and Mogadishu were they take orphan kids and convert them and those orphanages existed even after the daraawiish wars.

Just so you know Sayyidka campaigns mainly happened in the eastern territories of modern Somaliland and state of Puntland further west and in the south of modern day Somalia Islam was prevalent with strong presence of Qadariya sufi order for example in that period you had sheekh ul balad Sheekh Madar the founder of modern day Hargeysa and the cleric that Sayydika takfired cuz he defeated him in a debate that happened in Berbera so all the bs that sayydika preserved the Islamic identity of Somalis is just full of bullshit somalis were and are Muslims till the end of times and nothing would change that

 

[Peace&Love]

Sayyid was a glorified camel looter. He killed more Somalis than anything. With all that said, he was still 100 times better for Somalis than being told what they can or could not do in their territories by some British/Italian foreigner.

 

[Shimbiris]

Examples of large ethnic groups being unified under a single ruler in history:

Medieval England
Medieval France
Dynasties of China
Joseon Korea
Tokugawa Japan
Aztec Empire
Roman Empire
Macedonian Empire
Inca Empire
Sassanid Persian Empire

I could list more but you get the idea, it was not an uncommon thing at all.

Except that those weren't really nation-states at all. As in they were not based around an ethnicity or the idea of nationhood but around a ruling dynasty, religion and that sort of thing.

Nation-states are a recent idea, especially in the Horn. There is a reason most native HoA languages were rarely written down before the 17th-18th centuries with the Muslims preferring to just use Arabic and the Christians preferring to just use Ge'ez.

Pre-modern Horn states were based around dynasties and religion. The Sultan of the Geledi or the Solomonid Emperor couldn't have cared less about Somali or Amhara nationhood respectively. It was only when our ancestors met Europeans that the notion of creating nation-states became popular and this is the period also when Horners begin to profusely writing their own languages when they did this infrequently before.

 

[Bundasliga]

Christian missionary didn't exist in Somali territories instead those missionary Christian groups established orphanage in Djbouti Somaliland and Mogadishu were they take orphan kids and convert them and those orphanages existed even after the daraawiish wars.

Building orphanages & schools to convert them into Christianity = missionary!

Oxford definition of missionary :
"A person sent on a religious mission, especially one sent to promote Christianity in a foreign country."

"[..]The French Catholic Mission (FCM), under the auspices of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC), opened a famous orphanage in Daymoole village, British Somaliland, in 1881. This orphanage, which was located near Berbera, is best remembered for contributing to the anger of the Somali Muslim scholar and freedom fighter, Sayid Muhammed Abdulle Hassan (7 April 1856 - 21 December 1920), who waged a relentless jihad against the British colonizers and their sympathizers. Hussein A. Bulhan writes that the Sayid􀂶s 􀂳wrath intensified when he met Somali boys converted to Christianity by missionaries who came and collaborated with the colonial administration."

 

[Gantaal97]

Building orphanages & schools to convert them into Christianity = missionary!

Oxford definition of missionary :
"A person sent on a religious mission, especially one sent to promote Christianity in a foreign country."

"[..]The French Catholic Mission (FCM), under the auspices of the Roman Catholic Church (RCC), opened a famous orphanage in Daymoole village, British Somaliland, in 1881. This orphanage, which was located near Berbera, is best remembered for contributing to the anger of the Somali Muslim scholar and freedom fighter, Sayid Muhammed Abdulle Hassan (7 April 1856 - 21 December 1920), who waged a relentless jihad against the British colonizers and their sympathizers. Hussein A. Bulhan writes that the Sayid􀂶s 􀂳wrath intensified when he met Somali boys converted to Christianity by missionaries who came and collaborated with the colonial administration."

He wasn't a freedom fighter and those orphanage continued to exist long after his movement was crushed and those who fought weren't British "sympathizers" but a local Muslims just like him who were against his religious views and way of rule.

If Sayyidka focused on bringing all Somalis together regardless of their religious orientation or Sufi order in the name of Islam to drive the Gaalo french Italians and the English away from our territories he would have been crowned the first Sultan or King of Somali people but alas he spilled Muslim Somali blood by raiding and killing Somalis who simple didn't agree to his way of rule.

 

[Bundasliga]

He wasn't a freedom fighter and those orphanage continued to exist long after his movement was crushed and those who fought weren't British "sympathizers" but a local Muslims just like him who were against his religious views and way of rule.

If Sayyidka focused on bringing all Somalis together regardless of their religious orientation or Sufi order in the name of Islam to drive the Gaalo french Italians and the English away from our territories he would have been crowned the first Sultan or King of Somali people but alas he spilled Muslim Somali blood by raiding and killing Somalis who simple didn't agree to his way of rule.

Whatever makes you sleep at night.
If there were no colonizers there would be no sayyid

 

[Gantaal97]

Whatever makes you sleep at night.
If there were no colonizers there would be no sayyid

Nice joke man idk care if him as a "hero" that's your opinion but he isn't a Somali hero peace

 

[Jabuuti]

*Laughs in Ancient China*

it was always divided by dynasties. It wasn't fully united until Qing dynasty from what I remember.

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

If I was living at rgw time of Sayid Cabdile Xassan. I would have sided with British or Italian. What's the point of fighting empires? Empires can create for you nation States. I believe Sayid Cabdile Xassan movement was like Al Shabab created by Isaaq, so they could be the chosen sweet child of the British empire. Isaaq are very intelligent people, and I admire them for those moves, I would have done the same.

 

[Bundasliga]

If I was living at rgw time of Sayid Cabdile Xassan. I would have sided with British or Italian. What's the point of fighting empires? Empires can create for you nation States. I believe Sayid Cabdile Xassan movement was like Al Shabab created by Isaaq, so they could be the chosen sweet child of the British empire. Isaaq are very intelligent people, and I admire them for those moves, I would have done the same.

Mujahid in the name ,but run from jihad

 

[Mujahid Nur Marehan]

Sayid Cabdile Xassan started off his movement in Berbera. He appointed his top man Darawiish a Isaaq, He started of by displacing inky Marehan and had a agenda of decreasing Dhulbahante population. If that doesn't ring alarm, then I don't know what will, your a donkey than.