How do we figure out this union?

[waraabe]

Nothing to do with colonialism?

Sxb you use the exact name they gave that area and you claim the borders they drew on the map. :siilaanyolaugh:

you use the name italia gave you, you simply want to control other Somalis (don't want to share power)

 

[Gambar]

Aideed promised the SNM either Presidency or PM. They rejected both from the get go and decided to isolate themselves. The old borders are not recognized by any country, and if they want to make their own state, they should do so without my regions.

There's a history of shutting Isaaq out of the political leadership of Somalia. Basically, they want the presidency and they are not the only clan to feel that way. That is part of where the resentment comes from because SNM fought too.

As for the borders, they already existed and they retreated back to it. Whether or not it is recognized today doesn't matter. Somalia Italiana is not the only Somalia there is.

 

[MadNomad]

I don't care whether the borders are colonial or not. Somaliland is will remain an independent state.

Let me know when Somalia claims Kenyan territory because colonial borders don't matter

Kenyans being separated from Somalis by colonial lines is one thing. But Somalis separating themselves among each other because of colonial lines is moronic.

Tell me, in a hypothetical situation where another union would work perfectly, would you be up for it? Or has that colonial brainwashing gone in too deep already

 

[waraabe]

Kenyans being separated from Somalis by colonial lines is one thing. But Somalis separating themselves among each other because of colonial lines is moronic.

Tell me, in a hypothetical situation where another union would work perfectly, would you be up for it? Or has that colonial brainwashing gone in too deep already

union wont work

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

There's a history of shutting Isaaq out of the political leadership of Somalia. Basically, they want the presidency and they are not the only clan to feel that way. That is part of where the resentment comes from because SNM fought too.

As for the borders, they already existed and they retreated back to it. Whether or not it is recognized today doesn't matter. Somalia Italiana is not the only Somalia there is.

If they wanted to become the political leaders, they had their chance but they choose to take back their 3 tuulos and declare independence. The Mooryans didn't take political leadership through words, they conquered Xamar and cleansed the Darood from it.

Puntland controls most of Sanaag, Sool (other than Laascaanood), and Cayn which is deep inside Toghdeer. The colonial borders, are not recognized and Somaliland is simply a federal state who chooses to isolate themselves. In a few years time, the little head start they had due to peace and institutions built by Barre won't matter. Even D&M will have more relevance than Isaaq(who are simply one of the sub clans of Dir).

 

[merka]

Kenyans being separated from Somalis by colonial lines is one thing. But Somalis separating themselves among each other because of colonial lines is moronic.

Tell me, in a hypothetical situation where another union would work perfectly, would you be up for it? Or has that colonial brainwashing gone in too deep already

I support a Union of Somali Republics where Djibouti, Somaliland and Somalia cooperate with one another as independent states. But as long as Somalia continues to sabotage Somaliland's sovereignty I will be against this forced union.

 

[MadNomad]

union wont work

There's a history of shutting Isaaq out of the political leadership of Somalia. Basically, they want the presidency and they are not the only clan to feel that way. That is part of where the resentment comes from because SNM fought too.

As for the borders, they already existed and they retreated back to it. Whether or not it is recognized today doesn't matter. Somalia Italiana is not the only Somalia there is.

This is the kind of Qabiil think i am talking about. Isaaq, darood, who cares. You don't see the French or Danes caring about such primitive stuff, they just see themselves as one people.

I'm not naive, union isn't going to happen. But i have yet to see one good reason for why SL should be its own country.

 

[Lord Flacko]

you use the name italia gave you,

as opposed to Somaliland, the quintessential Somali name for a country :siilaanyolaugh:

 

[merka]

If they wanted to become the political leaders, they had their chance but they choose to take back their 3 tuulos and declare independence. The Mooryans didn't take political leadership through words, they conquered Xamar and cleansed the Darood from it.

Puntland controls most of Sanaag, Sool (other than Laascaanood), and Cayn which is deep inside Toghdeer. The colonial borders, are not recognized and Somaliland is simply a federal state who chooses to isolate themselves. In a few years time, the little head start they had due to peace and institutions built by Barre won't matter. Even D&M will have more relevance than Isaaq(who are simply one of the sub clans of Dir).

If Isaaq won't be relevant what about Dhulbahante?

 

[Gambar]

This is the kind of Qabiil think i am talking about. Isaaq, darood, who cares. You don't see the French or Danes caring about such primitive stuff, they just see themselves as one people.

I'm not naive, union isn't going to happen. But i have yet to see one good reason for why SL should be its own country.

Qabiil always has and always will matter in Somalia and it's unfair to ask those who've been shut out just to forget about it because they can't win. They formed S/Land and it's still a problem.

 

[MadNomad]

I support a Union of Somali Republics where Djibouti, Somaliland and Somalia cooperate with one another as independent states. But as long as Somalia continues to sabotage Somaliland's sovereignty I will be against this forced union.

Why do you seek sovereignty in this hypothetical scenario where a union would work out perfectly?

See this is the issue, you don't reject a union because it wouldn't work out, you reject it for some other reason. What is that reason?

 

[Gambar]

If they wanted to become the political leaders, they had their chance but they choose to take back their 3 tuulos and declare independence. The Mooryans didn't take political leadership through words, they conquered Xamar and cleansed the Darood from it.

Puntland controls most of Sanaag, Sool (other than Laascaanood), and Cayn which is deep inside Toghdeer. The colonial borders, are not recognized and Somaliland is simply a federal state who chooses to isolate themselves. In a few years time, the little head start they had due to peace and institutions built by Barre won't matter. Even D&M will have more relevance than Isaaq(who are simply one of the sub clans of Dir).

I think the grievance is they weren't even given consideration while the USC took control. The whole promising them presidency was a gentlemans agreement anyways.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

If Isaaq won't be relevant what about Dhulbahante?

The fact that you have to compare Isaaq (who are a clan) with Dhulbahante shows your relevance.

 

[merka]

Why do you seek sovereignty in this hypothetical scenario where a union would work out perfectly?

See this is the issue, you don't reject a union because it wouldn't work out, you reject it for some other reason. What is that reason?

How would this union work out perfectly? Somaliland doesn't want to be ruled by Somalia just as Djibouti or any other Somali Region.

At least with my scenario each Somali region are equal independent states who voluntarily unite on economic issues similar to the GCC or EU.

I honestly see this as more forward looking than pretending we are united when it's obviously not the case.

 

[waraabe]

The fact that you have to compare Isaaq (who are a clan) with Dhulbahante shows your relevance.

you are just angry isaaq doesn't care about you anymore. stop trying to be relevant

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

I think the grievance is they weren't even given consideration while the USC took control. The whole promising them presidency was a gentlemans agreement anyways.

Consideration of what? The USC took the capital, not SNM who took back their 3 tuulos and called it a day. Their peace has not done them any good. It is the only thing that they have. A few oligopoly's with a corrupt leadership and they think they achieved something. Whilst the South was going through turmoil, they could have been the leaders if they tried to and moved the capital to Hargeisa and ruled Somalia and the international community would have backed them. But what did they do? What did they achieve? They won't be anything more than a federal state of Somalia, and a sub clan of Dir now.

 

[merka]

The fact that you have to compare Isaaq (who are a clan) with Dhulbahante shows your relevance.

I guess you're happy being ruled from Garowe then.

 

[MadNomad]

Qabiil always has and always will matter in Somalia and it's unfair to ask those who've been shut out just to forget about it because they can't win. They formed S/Land and it's still a problem.

Well it shouldn't matter. All it does is create conflict, and it makes it so that each Qabiil wants a piece of the power, instead of all Somalis wanting the best people for the job in power, regardless of Qabiil. This us and them thinking that comes with Qabiil is cancerous.

 

[waraabe]

Consideration of what? The USC took the capital, not SNM who took back their 3 tuulos and called it a day. Their peace has not done them any good. It is the only thing that they have. A few oligopoly's with a corrupt leadership and they think they achieved something. Whilst the South was going through turmoil, they could have been the leaders if they tried to and moved the capital to Hargeisa and ruled Somalia and the international community would have backed them. But what did they do? What did they achieve? They won't be anything more than a federal state of Somalia, and a sub clan of Dir now.

if isaaq is a sub clan of dir then darod must be the most langab people thehuman race has seen, how can a whole clan compete with a sub clan looooool

 

[MadNomad]

How would this union work out perfectly? Somaliland doesn't want to be ruled by Somalia just as Djibouti or any other Somali Region.

At least with my scenario each Somali region are equal independent states who voluntarily unite on economic issues similar to the GCC or EU.

I honestly see this as more forward looking than pretending we are united when it's obviously not the case.

And why can't Somalis unite? You look at European history and they weren't these united nations from the beginning. It was mostly small kingdoms fighting each other, but they moved on from that and united under their respective ethnicities. Somalis should do the same, but of course i know that won't happen. We are too moronic for that.