HS chamber of commerce visit Garacad Port

Macawisley

Macawisley

Gaban said:
2 things.

1. A lot of the folks in this thread are either spreading misinformation or have a genuine lack of knowledge esp regarding isbaaros and changing situations(AS). There are no isbaaros in GM or the HG state when passing laamiga dheer. Even when it comes to HS the isbaaros are little to none on the main road connecting muqdisho ii Hargeisa in comparison to LS and MS. The isbaaros in HS are mainly within abgaal dhul and turning off the main road into abgaal dhul toward northern Abgaal land and also as you get closer to muqdisho.. The ones on the main road toward Muqdisho are short and are slowly being cleared as they are clearly a great issue.

2. Every state in the country WILL have at least ONE port that they can use. If Garacad decides to stay with PL then the market won't be too promising but if they Join GM they will be the GM State port and get better business and less competition.
Berbera for SL
Bosaso for PL
Garacad or Hobyo for GM
Cadale for HS
Marka or Baraawa for KG
Kismayo for JL.

On a present scale, most people may believe that this is too much to succeed in any port. When Somalia becomes peaceful and begins to attract business due to its geolocation and size, I won't be shocked if there are more ports than the ones listed above, with the ones listed above serving as the nation's major ports.

These ports may not all grow to be as huge as conventional ports, with some being larger than others, but each Somali state WILL have at least one port for personal usage and/or emergency use. This is federalism.
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I get what you mean but there is one problem.

Berbera is in Waqooyi Galbeed region
Baraawe in Lower Shabelle
Garacad in Mudug
Baraawe in Lower Shabelle
Cadale in Middle Shabelle
Kismaayo in Lower Juba

How will it be possible for a single region (Mudug) have 2 ports?

The most logical move for the 1.5 region GM State is for the port project to move to Ceeldheer district in Galgaduud the only full region with a coastal town. Don’t you reckon? Because it’s highly unlikely for 1 region to have 2 ports.

I get your point very clearly, but all those regions you stated don’t have a disputed status and have a full region with a coastal town feasible for a port, unlike GM in this case.

PL also has Bari a coastal region with Bosaso port.

Also there is Sanaag with huge potential etc.
 
Gaban

Gaban

Kheyre said:
I get what you mean but there is one problem.

Berbera is in Waqooyi Galbeed region
Baraawe in Lower Shabelle
Garacad in Mudug
Baraawe in Lower Shabelle
Cadale in Middle Shabelle
Kismaayo in Lower Juba

How will it be possible for a single region (Mudug) have 2 ports?

The most logical move for the 1.5 region GM State is for the port project to move to Ceeldheer district in Galgaduud the only full region with a coastal town. Don’t you reckon? Because it’s highly unlikely for 1 region to have 2 ports.
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A possibility and I'm not ruling it out, thats why I said Garacad could be the possible port for Mudug and GM since building 2 ports near each other under the mere basis of being different states would eventually result in one port being undermined and possibly shut down. Garacad being already built can use that leverage to come into GM and negotiate some deals as well as pressure GM to make Garacad the State port as it is already built and by federal law, GM. If they decide to remain with PL then their port may see competition in the future from Hobyo or ceeldheer or whatever port GM ends up building; Hobyo being the most likely as well as PLs bosaso.
 
S

Starswarz1

Kheyre said:
I get what you mean but there is one problem.

Berbera is in Waqooyi Galbeed region
Baraawe in Lower Shabelle
Garacad in Mudug
Baraawe in Lower Shabelle
Cadale in Middle Shabelle
Kismaayo in Lower Juba

How will it be possible for a single region (Mudug) have 2 ports?

The most logical move for the 1.5 region GM State is for the port project to move to Ceeldheer district in Galgaduud the only full region with a coastal town. Don’t you reckon? Because it’s highly unlikely for 1 region to have 2 ports.
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You really are dense, you keep saying that Mudug being one region won't have 2 ports when everyone here knows that Galmudug has bigger coast than all Federal states (KG, HS and JL) except Somaliland and Puntland, so how in god's name will Galmudug who has an Coast length of over 400km not have its own Port?

Galmudug having an huge coast over 400KM can easily have more than 3-4 Ports.



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Gaban

Gaban

Starswarz1 said:
Come on sxb, you, I and everyone here knows that Galmudug will have its Ports it's just a matter of time, any Fully Fledged State will have its Ports it's how Nations works.


Like you said it's free market, and we wish our neighbors Puntland and Hirshabelle well, but we Galmudug will always strive to better our State whether it be having our own ports or airports.
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exactly there's no ill toward Garacad its just making logic of their future and even welcoming them to GM so that they may not experience competition. But if they decide to stay with PL it will affect them in the long run with neighbouring states stabilising and developing their states. Garacad joining GM is in their best interest in the long run.
 
Calaami

Calaami

Garaadka Guud ee Beesha Calaamka
Gaban said:
If reer Garacad are smart they would Join GM and do like you have said 'Wane' future possibilities of other ports by using the leverage of their already built port but if they keep to PL they may see a Hobyo down the corridor competing with them. Hobyo port is still a possible port and if built could heavily undermine Garacad port business as Reer Galmudug would look towards using Hobyo instead of PL Garacad.

PS. For those in the thread, respond logically and stop letting your fear and inferiority overlap your logic and political lense.
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We have the same idea sxb, the only difference is I believe the existence of Garacad port functioning alone will end a legitimate push for Hobyo Port.

You believe Garacad port functioning outside of GM will result in Hobyo being built, and I disagree for the simple reason that building a port of any kind is immensely expensive.

HG businessman aren’t dumb, they won’t bankroll a sea port if another one is literally an hour or two away. And the FGS won’t either.
 
Gaban

Gaban

Calaami said:
We have the same idea sxb, the only difference is I believe the existence of Garacad port functioning alone will end a legitimate push for Hobyo Port.

You believe Garacad port functioning outside of GM will result in Hobyo being built, and I disagree for the simple reason that building a port of any kind is immensely expensive.

HG businessman aren’t dumb, they won’t bankroll a sea port if another one is literally an hour or two away. And the FGS won’t either.
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Garacad port functioning in PL will affect it and we all know every state at some point would like their own port/Will build their own port.

Reer Hobyo have still not let the Hobyo dream go and may go through with it in the future but if Garacad happens to come to GM then that will most certainly end Hobyos push. Thats my argument.

HG businessmen aren't dumb like you said and there's even rumours that Hormuud and Reer GM have several shares in Garacad but the ball lays in Majeerteenka mudugs court to make a decision on where they want to take their business.
 
Calaami

Calaami

Garaadka Guud ee Beesha Calaamka
Gaban said:
Garacad port functioning in PL will affect it and we all know every state at some point would like their own port/Will build their own port.

Reer Hobyo have still not let the Hobyo dream go and may go through with it in the future but if Garacad happens to come to GM then that will most certainly end Hobyos push. Thats my argument.

HG businessmen aren't dumb like you said and there's even rumours that Hormuud and Reer GM have several shares in Garacad but the ball lays in Majeerteenka mudugs court to make a decision on where they want to take their business.
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I agree every state would want, and should want their own port.

Laakiin the argument that Garacad and presumably the tuulos around it would join Galmudug for better business is beyond ridiculous. GM wouldn’t even be among the bigger markets Garacad caters to. That goes to Ethiopia/DDS, PL itself, Hiiraan/HS, and SSC.
 
Gaban

Gaban

Kheyre said:
@Starswarz1

GM future port location is now in Galgaduud and that became reality when

This:

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Became this:

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Mudug or Galgaduud is not the issue any can take port but they both would affect Garacad whereas if Garacad were to join they would become GM state port undermining any future ones. No ones arguing about what became and what didn't what we are talking about is Garacads economic future and how GM is a better market and if they stay out could see competition from whatever port GM builds. If Garacad was federally GM i wouldnt even be writing this haha.
 
Macawisley

Macawisley

Gaban said:
GMs coast doesn't start from Hobyo and you know that. lets not allow sentiments to overlap facts :)
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I’m sorry my bad, but Google earth does not show us where this divided region ends for GM… unlike for other states.

Where does it end?

Like as in what tuulo
 
Gaban

Gaban

Calaami said:
I agree every state would want, and should want their own port.

Laakiin the argument that Garacad and presumably the tuulos around it would join Galmudug for better business is beyond ridiculous. GM wouldn’t even be among the bigger markets Garacad caters to. That goes to Ethiopia/DDS, PL itself, Hiiraan/HS, and SSC.
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GM is a significant market brother, and I agree with the rest. I'm just suggesting that Garacad is better suited being a state port for GM, which by federal law it comes under, than risking another port establishing right next to it that could become a state port due to Garacad staying out on state/clan lines when it clearly has such a massive market and potential right now being the only built central port, as you noted above.

If a Hobyo port is built it will have as much advantage as Garacad and it being a state would mean it would probably receive more backing than a secondary port such as Garacad.

Garacad has the option of either being a secondary port in PL and possibly competing with another state port in the future or joining GM and becoming the primary state port of the state and diminishing any chances of future competitors in central coast.

Just a thought but we will see inshallah.
 
Macawisley

Macawisley

Gaban said:
Mudug or Galgaduud is not the issue any can take port but they both would affect Garacad whereas if Garacad were to join they would become GM state port undermining any future ones. No ones arguing about what became and what didn't what we are talking about is Garacads economic future and how GM is a better market and if they stay out could see competition from whatever port GM builds. If Garacad was federally GM i wouldnt even be writing this haha.
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how will you convince a community who doesn't even recognise you as a state to allow you to rule them?

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Gaban

Gaban

Kheyre said:
how will you convince a community who doesn't even recognise you as a state to allow you to rule them?

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its been nearly a decade since this statement was made, a lot has changed since then and state-building is still in the process. It is not a credible or reliable statement today and can even be seen as 'bait' for this thread to turn into some FKD. Meel kale la aad, Puntland or should I say Cumar Maxamuud and Majeerteenka Mudug recognise GM maanta and the possibility of a future with them even though it may not be as apparent; I and you both know that. Let's not turn the thread into what it isn't there's a section for that.
 
Calaami

Calaami

Garaadka Guud ee Beesha Calaamka
Gaban said:
GM is a significant market brother, and I agree with the rest. I'm just suggesting that Garacad is better suited being a state port for GM, which by federal law it comes under, than risking another port establishing right next to it that could become a state port due to Garacad staying out on state/clan lines when it clearly has such a massive market and potential right now being the only built central port, as you noted above.
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Kkkk, I was waiting for this.

By what federal law? Every FMS must be composed of a minimum 2 gobols, but there is no penalization for having more than 2.

PL as an FMS predates GM, there’s no need to try and overcompensate for a lack of two whole gobols in Galmudug. We know the vast majority of the population of Mudug live under Puntland.
 
Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid

Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid

King of Prussia
Gaban said:
its been nearly a decade since this statement was made, a lot has changed since then and state-building is still in the process. It is not a credible or reliable statement today and can even be seen as 'bait' for this thread to turn into some FKD. Meel kale la aad, Puntland or should I say Cumar Maxamuud and Majeerteenka Mudug recognise GM maanta and the possibility of a future with them even though it may not be as apparent; I and you both know that. Let's not turn the thread into what it isn't there's a section for that.
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wallahi i don't think i know a single mj much less an cumar maxamud that believes in uniting with galmudug. you can much sooner find a jew who supports hitler before that.
 
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