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I hate this East African nonsense
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3LetterzMM
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These guys sound like those Egyptians saying they arenβt African when it has nothing to do with race or culture itβs purely based on geography
You sound ignorant, the Somalis currently residing in these countries aren't online beefing over nonsense. Don't you think there are Muslims in other East African countries as well? This petrol station is run by Somalis, it's in my hometown.
It's as far from Somalia as you can get in a small village (Muhoroni) in Western Kenya. They moved here on their own volition and seem to have settled quite nicely.
I was also surprised to find a Somali restaurant owner settled among the Kalenjin when I visited Kericho (also in Western Kenya /Rift Valley). I asked a Kale to take me to a restaurant where I can taste traditional Kalenjin food. Low and behold, a Somali man with a big smile walks out serving me Mursik. A person with your mindset will never make it anywhere in life because you have a miserable attitude. If Somalis feel like "Madows" are so different then why are they moving to our towns/villages? I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't move somewhere I didn't feel comfortable.
Migori
Why settle in Southwestern Kenya if you don't want to be around Madows? There is a whole community of Somalis speaking our local language.
Junet Mohamed, Member of Parliament for Suna East in Migori County.
As you can see below, his wife is fluent in Dholuo, she campaigns regularly. There are literally hundreds of Malis just like like her.
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Two Somali supermarkets in my village, popped up from nowhere 4-5 years ago. This region is only inhabited by Luos, especially Muhoroni. You might find a few bantus but they're in the minority.
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Somali community in Migori
At the end of the day your people are the ones that will suffer if you carry on with this ignorant mindset because Madows aren't flocking to live in Somalia. Just the other day I came across this Iraqi lady who was calling Somalis all types of profanities on Tiktok. I felt offended, not because we share the same religion/culture but because they were insulting a fellow African. Whether you consider yourself black, African or Somali is irrelevant to the outside world because they view us all the same. You could identify as a horse for all I care, it doesn't bother me one bit. What I do care about is a peaceful coexistence with my neighbours.
At the end of the day your people are the ones that will suffer if you carry on with this ignorant mindset because Madows aren't flocking to live in Somalia. Just the other day I came across this Iraqi lady who was calling Somalis all types of profanities on Tiktok. I felt offended, not because we share the same religion/culture but because they were insulting a fellow African. Whether you consider yourself black, African or Somali is irrelevant to the outside world because they view us all the same. You could identify as a horse for all I care, it doesn't bother me one bit. What I do care about is a peaceful coexistence with my neighbours.
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It's not about "madows" I feel the same way towards Ethiopians or middle easterners. I don't hate or dislike anyone. What's so wrong with me saying that we are different?
Why do you assume East Africans see each other as the same people? I identify by my tribe first, then my nationality. I'm closer to Luos living in Tanzania, Uganda, DRC, Ethiopia, and South Sudan than any Kenyan, but we still live in the same territory. The difference is that I don't wake up telling my neighbours that we are different because there is no need to state the obvious. A Somali living in Kenya has a lot more in common with a Kikuyu than he cares to admit. That doesn't make him any less Somali.
I don't care about people and their nation states I'm speaking about this pan east African identity people try to push
East Africa is the region where Somalia is located. We are "different" just like every other ethnicity on the African continent, so stop acting like we're unique in that regard
Garaad Awal
War is coming.
You are both part of the Swahili World
That's what Shaydhan said about the Adam upon creation, she called him ABD or a slave to desires, urges and crimes and ever since then Black color has forever been tagged as evil. Noah tried to tame it by making it slave to other slaves. Adam was Black and Hawa was White I think not this.modern white just lighter black maybe. All light skinned ppl went thru hawa and black skin thru Adam, well genetically not emotionally as we're all hawas and spiritually adamic.
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This region has always been called East Africa, so Iβm not entirely sure what you mean. In the β90s, the term generally referred to Kenya, Uganda, and Tanzania. But in recent years, it's been coopted by Horners. I suspect this shift is due to the influence of your large diaspora
Personally, I never saw it as an identityβjust a regional bloc & that's why I take offense when we're left out. It's a double edged sword because I hate when people say "East Africans are this and that..." but I still want to be represented in official matters. Maybe start using the terms Horners or Somalis if you want to differentiate yourselves.
"Pan-East Africa" refers to the idea of unity, collaboration, or integration among East African countries.
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They also use that term to steal Somali cultural attire. That is what irritates me the most. This fake homogenisation. Truthfully, we do not share culture, language and often, not even a religion.
No beef needed but let us keep it real.
No beef needed but let us keep it real.
And of course, they mostly post people who are Cushitic or have Cushitic admixture in these videos and then the other groups feel excluded. It does not make any sense whatsoever.
Not sure what cultural attire you're referring to but the dirac was worn along the Swahili Coast and I've yet to see Congolese men walking around in Macawiis.
The dirac was appropriated by Swahilis and everyone knows it. And the only Arabs that wear it are those influenced by Somalis aka Adeni Yemenis. I don't know why you East Africans have a fixation with watching Somalis, and also trying to erase our cultural footprint.
They cannot even pronounce diraC and then want to claim it is theirs. SMH.
Erase your cultural footprint? I think you're reading too much into this. If you don't like other cultures wearing diracs then blame the Somali merchants who exported them. What other cultural attire has been stolen, and by who? I really don't see the homogenisation you're talking about so please enlighten me with specific examples.
The confusion between Somalis and other communities in Kenya arises from a myriad of things.
For one Kenya is like a mixed multitude of nations/tribes etched together by the British "East African" company.
Somalia on the other hand was historically inhabited by ethnic Somalis that formed continual historical civilizations. The Land of Punt, Macrobia and numerous powerful regional Sultanates.
Cushites have been in East Africa since the Neolithic, and have been a distinct ethnic cultural block for thousands of years.
Despite all of this, it is not lost on Somalis that many in "East Africa" hold a deeply problematic fixation and mistrust towards us. From downplaying our historical, cultural and religious influence in the region to outright xenophobia.
This is why meaningless colonial titles like "East Africa" hold no significant place in Somali identity, as we inherently realise where it came from.
We see how misguided Africans emulate European rhetoric without fully comprehending what they are doing. This is why it is not difficult to find echo chambers that try to reduce our culture to a bastardised Arab mix, and hence imply that it is fair game to mistreat, downplay, steal and even outright destroy us as a people.
"many in "East Africa" hold a deeply problematic fixation and mistrust towards us."
"downplaying our historical, cultural and religious influence in the region to outright xenophobia."
"try to reduce our culture to a bastardised Arab mix, and hence imply that it is fair game to mistreat, downplay, steal and even outright destroy us as a people."
These are some grave accusations, you're going to have to provide concrete examples.
Steal?
- Because people wear a dirac?
Downplay your influence in the region?
- When, how?
Destroy you as a people?
- How?
My rebuttal:
Kenyans don't mistreat Somalis, Kenyans mistreat each other and if I'm to be perfectly fair, it's mostly Luos, Kikuyus and Kalenjins going at each other.
Although I haven't personally witnessed it, I hear it's the government that views Somalis with suspicion due to their complicated history (Shifta war) and illegal immigration. It was bad from the onset.
I wasn't born in 1963 so I can't speak for what happened but what I will say is that it was the Somalis themselves that pushed an Asian/Arabic narrative during colonialism. They wanted to be separated from the Madow because they saw them as inferior. Couple this with the shifta war, and your history of enslaving bantus, and I can suddenly see why you'd be viewed with suspicion
This is not the general view of Kenyans because they're too busy surviving. I however grew up around Somalis in the diaspora and have witnessed how xenophobic you can be, even towards each other (e.g. Midgan), I also see how you mistreat Madowweyne so let's not make this a one sided issue. Somali arrogance is a thing
"We come to learn that [Luo], Nandi, Wakambas, Wakikuyu, Swahili, Wagalla, Wardey [sic], [Sudanese], and Somali are classed together by the Government and the same rule applied for all. But allow us to say that in our opinion this wrong and is degrading and injustice to us all, to be ill treated like this by our Government. The Government Officials who have visited our country know we are descendent from Arabia, and this we have already proved and we can prove we assure you that we cannot accept to be equaled and compared with those pagan tribes either with our consent or by force even if the Government orders us this we cannot comply with, but we prefer death than to be treated equally with [these] tribes for as the Government knows well these tribes are inferior to us and according to our religion they were slaves who we used to trade during past years."
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