I hate this East African nonsense

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

You sound ignorant, the Somalis currently residing in these countries aren't online beefing over nonsense. Don't you think there are Muslims in other East African countries as well? This petrol station is run by Somalis, it's in my hometown.



It's as far from Somalia as you can get in a small village (Muhoroni) in Western Kenya. They moved here on their own volition and seem to have settled quite nicely.





I was also surprised to find a Somali restaurant owner settled among the Kalenjin when I visited Kericho (also in Western Kenya /Rift Valley). I asked a Kale to take me to a restaurant where I can taste traditional Kalenjin food. Low and behold, a Somali man with a big smile walks out serving me Mursik. A person with your mindset will never make it anywhere in life because you have a miserable attitude. If Somalis feel like "Madows" are so different then why are they moving to our towns/villages? I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't move somewhere I didn't feel comfortable.

Migori




Why settle in Southwestern Kenya if you don't want to be around Madows? There is a whole community of Somalis speaking our local language.

Junet Mohamed, Member of Parliament for Suna East in Migori County.



As you can see below, his wife is fluent in Dholuo, she campaigns regularly. There are literally hundreds of Malis just like like her.

I find it so interesting how your knee-jerk reaction is that the original poster doesn't want to be "around Madows" or that there is beef?

There is this bizarre projection and inferiority complex that gets triggered when Somalis try to preserve their existence. Yes, we are different. What's wrong with that? Why is it offensive???
What do we have in common? Do you even realise that Somalis don't even feel close to Cushitics such as Oromos?

Moreoever, when Somalis live in Kenya, it's because Somalis have been forced to live in Kenya as NFD is occupied. Therefore, Somalis have the right to enjoy all the commercial interests possible. The same way that Kenyans are employed in Somalia and enjoy those financial interests.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Somalis are closer to Yemenis our Muslim brothers than Kenyans or Ethiopians

Why the hell are you lying and embarrassing us? We have nothing in common with those people, outside of Islam IF they practice it. Not to mention the dirac they stole.

 

[Wabari]

Somalis are closer to Yemenis our Muslim brothers than Kenyans or Ethiopians

You wouldn’t be saying that if you knew what they do to Somalis in Yemen

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

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[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

This Pan-African/Pan-East African identity nonsense is easy for people of Bantu extract. They can look at someone from a random African country and find a bunch of things they have in common. Food, dances, and I'm sure other cultural similarities. Not surprising, as they share the same roots. That's why I think a Somali will be weirded out by the term 'East African face/food/culture' etc, but someoone from a Bantu background may not.

Humans have evolved to recognise and favor in-group members based on familiarity, as a survival mechanism. This is reflected in concepts like kin selection and ethnocentrism. People generally feel safer and more comfortable around those who share cultural, linguistic, or even physical similarities.

That's why you'll see some Somalis sometimes support Tutsis (partial Cushitic dna). It would be similar to how Somalis would feel when they see another Cushitic person, this familiarity. If we didn't have land disputes/historic beef with the Oromos for example, I'm sure we'd feel less hostile towards one another and even discuss things like "Horner" Identity.

I don't understand why Somalis are gaslit over not feeling an imaginary bond with people, because we live on the same side of the continent or even in the same location. Beenta iigu daran.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

You wouldn’t be saying that if you knew what they do to Somalis in Yemen

It's disgusting isn't it? These Ana Arabs can't help but shame us all over the internet.

What does a Somali have to do with a Yemeni? Historic trade and migration means nothing. Somalis migrate and trade all over the world. I am fed up with this fake association with Yemen and it also emboldens these people to migrate to our land, and feel at home. As if they have a legal or historic precedent to be around us. Dadkaan waa nalagu kibriyay and I blame these Ana Arabs and these people who have been force-fed LIES.

I have a strong suspicion that when Islam was introduced to us, it was done with an agenda to make Somalis into 'Ana Arabs', hence the fake origin stories and abtiris. The greatest crime against the Somali identity.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

East Africa is the region where Somalia is located. We are "different" just like every other ethnicity on the African continent, so stop acting like we're unique in that regard

The poster is not saying it to be hostile. It's to assert the facts and discuss it. Because all over social media, Somali culture/clothing is being co-opted under this fake name. That's why today you'll find an Indian from Kenya selling Somali clothing under 'African clothes' and 'East African' clothes. But she will never sell her Sari under those names. They respect their own roots, and disrespect ours. And it's all thanks to Somalis, who don't know how to gatekeep.

 

[cunug3aad]

That's what Shaydhan said about the Adam upon creation, she called him ABD or a slave to desires, urges and crimes and ever since then Black color has forever been tagged as evil. Noah tried to tame it by making it slave to other slaves. Adam was Black and Hawa was White I think not this.modern white just lighter black maybe. All light skinned ppl went thru hawa and black skin thru Adam, well genetically not emotionally as we're all hawas and spiritually adamic.

قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏"‏ إِنَّ اللَّهَ خَلَقَ آدَمَ مِنْ قَبْضَةٍ قَبَضَهَا مِنْ جَمِيعِ الأَرْضِ فَجَاءَ بَنُو آدَمَ عَلَى قَدْرِ الأَرْضِ جَاءَ مِنْهُمُ الأَحْمَرُ وَالأَبْيَضُ وَالأَسْوَدُ وَبَيْنَ ذَلِكَ وَالسَّهْلُ وَالْحَزْنُ وَالْخَبِيثُ وَالطَّيِّبُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ (زَادَ فِي حَدِيثِ يَحْيَى ‏"‏ وَبَيْنَ ذَلِكَ ‏"‏ ‏.‏)
Rasuulullaah SCW said “Indeed Allaah created Aadam from a fistful He Took from all the Earth, so the sons of Adam came to the extent of the earth [i.e. they reached the ends of the land]. Among them came the red [man], and the white [man], and the black [man], and between that [of skin colour], and the flat and the rough [alt. the easy and the hard], and the wicked and the wholesome.” (He added in the hadith of Yahya “and between that.”)

 

[Nilote2]

I find it so interesting how your knee-jerk reaction is that the original poster doesn't want to be "around Madows" or that there is beef?

Well when someone explicitly says, and I quote "Wtf do me and a fucking Ugandan have in common?" It's hard not to draw that conclusion. Especially when every other word you hear from Somalis is Jerry with a hard r.

There is this bizarre projection and inferiority complex that gets triggered when Somalis try to preserve their existence.

No that's just your delusion, I don't want to be like you because we have nothing in common. You're not even Kenyan. East Africa however is a region so when someone says East Africans you shouldn't take offense or feel like they're trying to lump us all together because they usually show the variation in the region. At least in the videos I've seen.

Yes, we are different. What's wrong with that? Why is it offensive???
What do we have in common? Do you even realise that Somalis don't even feel close to Cushitics such as Oromos?

There is nothing wrong with being different, nor is it my place to dictate how you identify even though I think it's delusional when I hear Somalis say that they're not African (geographical location).

However when people start rambling about us trying to steal their identities and erase their impact I think it's important to be specific. Who are you talking about?

Moreoever, when Somalis live in Kenya, it's because Somalis have been forced to live in Kenya as NFD is occupied. Therefore, Somalis have the right to enjoy all the commercial interests possible. The same way that Kenyans are employed in Somalia and enjoy those financial interests.

Did I at any point say that Somalis are not allowed to conduct business anywhere in Kenya? My exact words were and I quote:

"If Somalis feel like "Madows" are so different then why are they moving to our towns/villages? I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't move somewhere I didn't feel comfortable."

However I must opine that Luos are more welcoming than most other communities, Somalis included.



When Junet Mohamed or Jomo Kenyatta dons a Luo hat my first thought is not, they're trying to steal my identity.

 

[Nilote2]

The poster is not saying it to be hostile. It's to assert the facts and discuss it. Because all over social media, Somali culture/clothing is being co-opted under this fake name.

What other culture/clothing besides the dirac? That's the only talking point I've heard so far and I was the one who brought it up.

That's why today you'll find an Indian from Kenya selling Somali clothing under 'African clothes' and 'East African' clothes. But she will never sell her Sari under those names. They respect their own roots, and disrespect ours.

I personally wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a Sari and a dirac because it's not clothes my people wear. I'd imagine it's something you wear at home.

And it's all thanks to Somalis, who don't know how to gatekeep.

You said it, it's all thanks to Somalis who don't know how to gatekeep so blame them. An Indian is not going to care about your feelings, they're there to sell items in the same way Somalis are now adapting their products to other cultures. Demand and supply.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Well when someone explicitly says, and I quote "Wtf do me and a fucking Ugandan have in common?" It's hard not to draw that conclusion. Especially when every other word you hear from Somalis is Jerry with a hard r.

The conclusions are being drawn from your stereotypes about Somalis. Instead of having an open mind, you assume we all have nefarious intentions. And if that's what you think about us, why are you even on this forum?

No that's just your delusion, I don't want to be like you because we have nothing in common. You're not even Kenyan. East Africa however is a region so when someone says East Africans you shouldn't take offense or feel like they're trying to lump us all together because they usually show the variation in the region. At least in the videos I've seen.

Why would we not take offence to a bullshit association?
For someone who claims to want nothing to do with Somalis, you sure feel comfortable on a website called SOMALISPOT. Don't even pretend it's about getting help with DNA results, you could have received that on other forums.

There is nothing wrong with being different, nor is it my place to dictate how you identify even though I think it's delusional when I hear Somalis say that they're not African (geographical location).

However when people start rambling about us trying to steal their identities and erase their impact I think it's important to be specific. Who are you talking about?

Did I at any point say that Somalis are not allowed to conduct business anywhere in Kenya? My exact words were and I quote:

"If Somalis feel like "Madows" are so different then why are they moving to our towns/villages? I can only speak for myself, but I wouldn't move somewhere I didn't feel comfortable."

The same way that Kenyans will move to Europe. People don't travel for fake common interests, they go places because it makes sense financially or some other interest.

However I must opine that Luos are more welcoming than most other communities, Somalis included.



When Junet Mohamed or Jomo Kenyatta dons a Luo hat my first thought is not, they're trying to steal my identity.

Somalis go where money and opportunities are, even in hostile South Africa. The same way that Kenyans like yourself go to Somalia and even hostile countries to seek money and opportunities. Additionally, there are Somali-Kenyans and you cannot dictate where they decide to set up shop, that's what being a national affords you, freedom of movement.

 

[Nilote2]

This Pan-African/Pan-East African identity nonsense is easy for people of Bantu extract. They can look at someone from a random African country and find a bunch of things they have in common. Food, dances, and I'm sure other cultural similarities. Not surprising, as they share the same roots. That's why I think a Somali will be weirded out by the term 'East African face/food/culture' etc, but someoone from a Bantu background may not.

Your strong views are a result of the society you grew up in so I'm not blaming you. I'm not bantu, nor do I identify with bantu peoples. I just view them as neighbours. I just don't take the same stance when it comes to the East Africa label because it's just a geographical location that I rarely use.

Humans have evolved to recognise and favor in-group members based on familiarity, as a survival mechanism. This is reflected in concepts like kin selection and ethnocentrism. People generally feel safer and more comfortable around those who share cultural, linguistic, or even physical similarities.

I'm not so sure about this, Kenya is pretty divided to the point where different bantu groups don't even get along and I doubt our neighbours are any different. Tribal identity is usually the strongest, then it's the national identity. There's even an ongoing debate of whether the term bantu should be used. West Africans usually get pissed off when you label them bantu because they're not.

That's why you'll see some Somalis sometimes support Tutsis (partial Cushitic dna). It would be similar to how Somalis would feel when they see another Cushitic person, this familiarity. If we didn't have land disputes/historic beef with the Oromos for example, I'm sure we'd feel less hostile towards one another and even discuss things like "Horner" Identity.

I've experienced that firsthand. I used to give my neighbor's kids all my recycling cans. Then one day, their mom started collecting them herself since they were actually worth quite a bit of money. I thought we were on good terms—until she completely ignored me when I walked past her and her relatives. Two minutes later, when my Somali roommate passed by, she suddenly started shouting and hugging him like he was a long-lost relative. Ironically, he can't stand her and usually avoids her in the stairwell. I felt insulted.

I don't understand why Somalis are gaslit over not feeling an imaginary bond with people, because we live on the same side of the continent or even in the same location. Beenta iigu daran.

I don't think anybody feels a bond with anyone who's not like them. Africans do however have a tendency to treat their neighbours with kindness. West Africans are probably the most least judgmental.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Your strong views are a result of the society you grew up in so I'm not blaming you. I'm not bantu, nor do I identify with bantu peoples. I just view them as neighbours. I just don't take the same stance when it comes to the East Africa label because it's just a geographical location that I rarely use.

Here we are again, throwing barely concealed shade at Somalis. Where did you get your strong opinions from?

I'm not so sure about this, Kenya is pretty divided to the point where different bantu groups don't even get along and I doubt our neighbours are any different. Tribal identity is usually the strongest, then it's the national identity. There's even an ongoing debate of whether the term bantu should be used. West Africans usually get pissed off when you label them bantu because they're not.

So you accept that Africans are divided along ethnic and even tribal lines, but when Somalis say we feel nothing or even weirded out by "East Africa" nonsense, you act offended? We all have the right to feel a certain way about disingenuous communities.

I've experienced that firsthand. I used to give my neighbor's kids all my recycling cans. Then one day, their mom started collecting them herself since they were actually worth quite a bit of money. I thought we were on good terms—until she completely ignored me when I walked past her and her relatives. Two minutes later, when my Somali roommate passed by, she suddenly started shouting and hugging him like he was a long-lost relative. Ironically, he can't stand her and usually avoids her in the stairwell. I felt insulted.

Maybe your neighbour didn't like you for other reasons? For example, your tendency to stereotype Somali/Cushitic people. Perhaps it seeped through your body language and eyes.

I don't think anybody feels a bond with anyone who's not like them. Africans do however have a tendency to treat their neighbours with kindness. West Africans are probably the most least judgmental.

These West Africans you speak of, have tribalism and wars between themselves. Not to mention the religious tensions and so forth.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Also @Nilote2

We have another Nilotic person on this forum, who gets along famously with everyone. You see, Somalis tend to respect people who love themselves and who don't come to us with weird energy and stereotypes. He holds himself with pride and represents his people very well. You should take a leaf out of his book instead of coming on here with a chip on your shoulder.

 

[Nilote2]

The conclusions are being drawn from your stereotypes about Somalis. Instead of having an open mind, you assume we all have nefarious intentions.

It's not really a stereotype when you're reacting to a loaded comment—especially when you see and hear it daily online. I grew up around Somalis and even lived with one for years, so don’t try that bullshit on me - "have an open mind." I know how xenophobic Somalis can be, even among themselves (Midgan), so don’t play the victim card just because I made an incorrect assumption about a loaded comment.

And if that's what you think about us, why are you even on this forum?

I don't have to like every single Somali to visit a website nor do I have to agree with every single opinion. If I see something I disagree with, I'm obviously going to react/question it to get a better understanding.

Why would we not take offence to a bullshit association?
For someone who claims to want nothing to do with Somalis, you sure feel comfortable on a website called SOMALISPOT. Don't even pretend it's about getting help with DNA results, you could have received that on other forums.

I'm 10 years in researching my heritage but you clearly know my intentions better than I do. I stumbled upon this post, and thought I'd give it a shot since you helped another Luo out, then I got stuck because I like engaging in topics.

Somalis go where money and opportunities are, even in hostile South Africa. The same way that Kenyans like yourself go to Somalia and even hostile countries to seek money and opportunities.

Except I wouldn’t—and I doubt the people moving there share your opinion. People with insulated minds tend to stay in the same place, unless they’re refugees, of course.

Additionally, there are Somali-Kenyans and you cannot dictate where they decide to set up shop, that's what being a national affords you, freedom of movement.

There you go, repeating that word again - 'dictate.' I never said Somalis aren’t allowed to do business wherever they choose. My question was simply: why would someone go to a place where they don’t feel comfortable?

I honestly don't care enough about this topic to engage you further. I was just trying to understand what culture/clothing people are stealing. "They" is rather unspecific.

 

[Nilote2]

Also @Nilote2

We have another Nilotic person on this forum, who gets along famously with everyone. You see, Somalis tend to respect people who love themselves and who don't come to us with weird energy and stereotypes. He holds himself with pride and represents his people very well. You should take a leaf out of his book instead of coming on here with a chip on your shoulder.

You came off as a b**** from the get go so I'm only reciprocating the energy. It's got nothing to do with where you're from. "You see Somalis tend to respect." I don't need YOUR respect, you will be met with the same energy you give out.

 

[xxx_newacc]

Also @Nilote2

We have another Nilotic person on this forum, who gets along famously with everyone. You see, Somalis tend to respect people who love themselves and who don't come to us with weird energy and stereotypes. He holds himself with pride and represents his people very well. You should take a leaf out of his book instead of coming on here with a chip on your shoulde

Thank you for often thinking what I’m thinking. I already knew when I read OP’s first post that they lacked tact with how they expressed their feelings re the EA label. I knew it would rub some the wrong way.
But now this user wants to negatively paint Somalis as a group to be frequent users of a rude word or racist which is inaccurate. Somalis are allowed to be protective of our culture and discuss this on their forums, even if poorly communicated. You can disagree without trying to humble us.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

You came off as a b**** from the get go so I'm only reciprocating the energy. It's got nothing to do with where you're from. "You see Somalis tend to respect." I don't need YOUR respect, you will be met with the same energy you give out.

Uncouth and pathetic is what you are. You are the one who is on a Somali forum, whilst barely disguising your issues with us. We are not that interesting, stop stalking us.

 

[Nilote2]

Here we are again, throwing barely concealed shade at Somalis. Where did you get your strong opinions from?

I got it from interacting with people like you.

So you accept that Africans are divided along ethnic and even tribal lines, but when Somalis say we feel nothing or even weirded out by "East Africa" nonsense, you act offended? We all have the right to feel a certain way about disingenuous communities.

I just don't see East Africa as an ethnicity—it's a region. Am I not allowed to voice my opinion, or should I just remain silent when people use loaded language, I eventually think I saw a send them back to Congo comment. It's funny how you're so upset by my comment, yet you completely ignore all the other bullshit that's posted.

Maybe your neighbour didn't like you for other reasons? For example, your tendency to stereotype Somali/Cushitic people. Perhaps it seeped through your body language and eyes.

Or perhaps you should stop speculating about a situation in which you weren't present

These West Africans you speak of, have tribalism and wars between themselves. Not to mention the religious tensions and so forth.

We all do, but welcoming a stranger is not the same thing as welcoming a direct neighbour you're disgruntled with.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

Thank you for often thinking what I’m thinking. I already knew when I read OP’s first post that they lacked tact with how they expressed their feelings re the EA label. I knew it would rub some the wrong way.
But now this user wants to negatively paint Somalis as a group to be frequent users of a rude word or racist which is inaccurate. Somalis are allowed to be protective of our culture and discuss this on their forums, even if poorly communicated. You can disagree without trying to humble us.

They are obsessed with stalking, policing and trying to humble Somalis. Imagine disliking a group and invading their spaces.

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