You have a few things on your to-do bucket list before that happens.
If HSM folds tomorrow...
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Come on what?Come on sxb
I already addressed your bs in your thread, go on. Find me the og source.
Sigmundd
Pinkyandthebrain
2024 was full of surprises and trump himself is full of suprises. these Americans are desperate for a port and might give us a deal. Eveb Israel could get involved. I really think they will recognise us.
Sigmundd
Pinkyandthebrain
It's rumours but it came from the white house anyways you will see for yourself next year when Trump does give recognition to Somaliland these Americans are desperate for a port. Djibouti isn't enough for them.
I actually found the og source for you @Sigmundd. Its an offshoot of Bloomberg and has zero credibility.
Sigmundd
Pinkyandthebrain
I know but anything can happen next year. And Somaliland could be the newest nation. We shall see
Why would they do that when the FG is bankrolled by them? They could have everything they need from it lol. War naga tag.
I’m not talking about recognition per se, but entering into an understanding and agreement on the sool and sanaag question. Border demarcation must also be solved. Before recognition or anything these are the most important issues.
SL is too stubborn for that.
Sigmundd
Pinkyandthebrain
Yeah I know I don't know how cirro will save ssc despite them already forming their own government.
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VIP
Somalia is Turkey's distant third theater, after Syria and Libya. Now that one is won, it moves Somalia up the list of priorities. It seems, for now, to allow them to pressure Ethiopia into doing their bidding.
I don't know why people are talking about him folding when HSM is in a relatively strong position. He got AMISOM out and more Turkey-Qatar-friendly nations deployed in Somalia in their stead. While HSM is very much overplaying his hand with Jubbaland, he is now the strongest president post-war we've had yet. Debt relief, arms embargo negotiations—he even got HSM to sign the 30-year lease on Somalia's territorial waters.
After outplaying Russia and Iran in Syria, he's doing the equivalant of camping at low levels to kill time until Trump is in office, and Turkey will likely play a key role in the Ukraine-Russia peace deal.
Turkey's also playing a role in the Sudanese civil war so Turkey's interest in Somalia as a springboard into that theatre is solidified.
When Trumps in office, the world will be way more destabilizied and fluid, so I can understand Turkey now, in Syria and it seems Somalia, to try and "solve" as many of their theatres before hand.
When it comes to the US and Somaliland, anything Somaliland can offer, Djibouti already has. The US clearly has put their lot in with the FGS and honestly for good reason, the last two countries, not that far away Eritrea and South Sudan ended up complete failures. Besides Somalia once pacified just is larger springboard.
Besides the US already has bases on and off record all around Somalia.
I don't know why people are talking about him folding when HSM is in a relatively strong position. He got AMISOM out and more Turkey-Qatar-friendly nations deployed in Somalia in their stead. While HSM is very much overplaying his hand with Jubbaland, he is now the strongest president post-war we've had yet. Debt relief, arms embargo negotiations—he even got HSM to sign the 30-year lease on Somalia's territorial waters.
After outplaying Russia and Iran in Syria, he's doing the equivalant of camping at low levels to kill time until Trump is in office, and Turkey will likely play a key role in the Ukraine-Russia peace deal.
Turkey's also playing a role in the Sudanese civil war so Turkey's interest in Somalia as a springboard into that theatre is solidified.
When Trumps in office, the world will be way more destabilizied and fluid, so I can understand Turkey now, in Syria and it seems Somalia, to try and "solve" as many of their theatres before hand.
When it comes to the US and Somaliland, anything Somaliland can offer, Djibouti already has. The US clearly has put their lot in with the FGS and honestly for good reason, the last two countries, not that far away Eritrea and South Sudan ended up complete failures. Besides Somalia once pacified just is larger springboard.
Besides the US already has bases on and off record all around Somalia.
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Hilmaam
VIP
Somaliland doesn’t need HSM they don’t have bombings and foreign troops they have stability.
The big question is how will Ethiopian troops be removed from south? Government stated MOU needs to be canceled if Ethiopia wants to be part of ATMIs. FGS is a bunker govt don’t expect anything from talkS. Nor anything from jubbaland or southwest or hirshabelle those places are zoos and will be occupied for foreseeable future don’t get distracted by musical chairs of occupying troops.
The worst case scenario occupation is happening right now in south with Ethiopians digging in heals it’s laughable to have talks about MOU in somalilnd while u occupied
The big question is how will Ethiopian troops be removed from south? Government stated MOU needs to be canceled if Ethiopia wants to be part of ATMIs. FGS is a bunker govt don’t expect anything from talkS. Nor anything from jubbaland or southwest or hirshabelle those places are zoos and will be occupied for foreseeable future don’t get distracted by musical chairs of occupying troops.
The worst case scenario occupation is happening right now in south with Ethiopians digging in heals it’s laughable to have talks about MOU in somalilnd while u occupied
The man you’re compiling a geopolitical fob piece for just issued an international arrest warrant for Madobe….whilst he’s in the country…..
And with all due respect, the debt relief and the arms embargo being lifted is very very basic stuff, this is no major cause for celebration. It’s not an accomplishment.
Let’s just address the elephant in the room here, and I say it because I love Al Hiraabiya enough as somalis to tell them the truth. Al Hiraabiya know nothing of governance and they’re ungovernable. It’s the harsh reality.
their cadre of political leaders are inept, know nothing of geopolitics and the basic workings of government, and are corrupt to the enth degree. If they don’t wake up and smell the coffee then they’ll wake up to Somalia speeding off a cliff.
their cadre of political leaders are inept, know nothing of geopolitics and the basic workings of government, and are corrupt to the enth degree. If they don’t wake up and smell the coffee then they’ll wake up to Somalia speeding off a cliff.
Even Candho Calasow has been saying the same recently. That is why I think we need a national divorce. Let everyone go their own way. Ironically they are pushing us that way with their ineptitude.
SL is no way an independent country, if Somalia is under threat of being annexed by an aggressor it is correct in using any means it has including help from its allies which will benefit it according to intl.lawSomaliland doesn’t need HSM they don’t have bombings and foreign troops they have stability.
The big question is how will Ethiopian troops be removed from south? Government stated MOU needs to be canceled if Ethiopia wants to be part of ATMIs. FGS is a bunker govt don’t expect anything from talkS. Nor anything from jubbaland or southwest or hirshabelle those places are zoos and will be occupied for foreseeable future don’t get distracted by musical chairs of occupying troops.
The worst case scenario occupation is happening right now in south with Ethiopians digging in heals it’s laughable to have talks about MOU in somalilnd while u occupied
HSM sees the country as a irir confederacy but let’s not pass that off as the reality on the ground when he can arm SSC to deter xabashi thinking of invading. Qatar commented saying it will go the extra mile for Somalia following excursion from Ethiopia. Yet no steps have been taken by Hassan to take advantage of this relationship or act against Ethiopia by stopping their airlines and imports/exports from & to us.
Us saying “it was inevitable” betrays the thousands of Somalis who would put their lives on the line against Ethiopia who are not yet part of SNA due to Hassan’s poor leadership.
Rumours circling that hsm will bend the knee about the MOU. Can’t wait for the fuckery 
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VIP
HSM sold us
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