If HSM folds tomorrow...

Consolidate what power? Cirro is my President and all Somalilanders.

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Pastoralist

Dhib marku wah nokdo, Isku tiirsada
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we don’t know if Hassan will do a 180 on fiqi’s stance since the first two talks so let’s see. Fiqi said they won’t have an inch directly to turkey, let’s see if gurgurte gives them a millimeter before judging too much.
 
SL is no way an independent country, if Somalia is under threat of being annexed by an aggressor it is correct in using any means it has including help from its allies which will benefit it according to intl.law

HSM sees the country as a irir confederacy but let’s not pass that off as the reality on the ground when he can arm SSC to deter xabashi thinking of invading. Qatar commented saying it will go the extra mile for Somalia following excursion from Ethiopia. Yet no steps have been taken by Hassan to take advantage of this relationship or act against Ethiopia by stopping their airlines and imports/exports from & to us.

Us saying “it was inevitable” betrays the thousands of Somalis who would put their lives on the line against Ethiopia who are not yet part of SNA due to Hassan’s poor leadership.
I dont believe in this Irir stuff, like at all
 
Right now HSM is awake in bed thinking about how he’ll transfer his millions into a trust fund for his kids and if he’ll buy a 2024 BMW 7 series.
Glad im not the only one who stops to think about what HSM might be doing, and not in a weird way either


Also the fact that regional leaders have so much power in determining the leader is completely wrong, Next place im looking at is other candidates and people with merit and a actual passion for the country.
 

Sup

Anti Qabilist - Somali Patriot
How about we wait and see what happens before we jump to conclusions. Isn’t this the fourth meeting, same thing has been said over and over again 😂

The comments are entertaining though, carry on lol
 
How about we wait and see what happens before we jump to conclusions. Isn’t this the fourth meeting, same thing has been said over and over again 😂

The comments are entertaining though, carry on lol

HSM will never fold publicly anyway.

He will leave the meeting fiercely proclaiming Somalia's sovereignty can never be negotiated.

:fittytousand:


Behind the scenes though:

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Somalia is Turkey's distant third theater, after Syria and Libya. Now that one is won, it moves Somalia up the list of priorities. It seems, for now, to allow them to pressure Ethiopia into doing their bidding.

I don't know why people are talking about him folding when HSM is in a relatively strong position. He got AMISOM out and more Turkey-Qatar-friendly nations deployed in Somalia in their stead. While HSM is very much overplaying his hand with Jubbaland, he is now the strongest president post-war we've had yet. Debt relief, arms embargo negotiations—he even got HSM to sign the 30-year lease on Somalia's territorial waters.

After outplaying Russia and Iran in Syria, he's doing the equivalant of camping at low levels to kill time until Trump is in office, and Turkey will likely play a key role in the Ukraine-Russia peace deal.

Turkey's also playing a role in the Sudanese civil war so Turkey's interest in Somalia as a springboard into that theatre is solidified.

When Trumps in office, the world will be way more destabilizied and fluid, so I can understand Turkey now, in Syria and it seems Somalia, to try and "solve" as many of their theatres before hand.

When it comes to the US and Somaliland, anything Somaliland can offer, Djibouti already has. The US clearly has put their lot in with the FGS and honestly for good reason, the last two countries, not that far away Eritrea and South Sudan ended up complete failures. Besides Somalia once pacified just is larger springboard.

Besides the US already has bases on and off record all around Somalia.
Looking back at my own comment and how this thread went, any talk about military bases, land overtures, or any of these things happening has been removed. Anything happening in the future has to be done with FGS approval. Doomers were proven wrong.

@Midas was right, there is a deep seated doomerism that taints people's ability to think critically. In their mind, HSM is borderline pure evil, and everything he does will always be at the detriment of Somalia. It doesn't help that Somali news media is filled to the brim with fake news, selling people the narrative they want to hear.
 

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