Is The Sharia Barbaric? #Stoning #Theft #Murder #Apostasy || The Hot Seat by AMAU

[Liban89]

The Salafists do not declare anyone a disbeliever until the proof is established on him

btw I'm not salafi

You should read
الفتاوى الكبرى لابن تيمية

you'll be amazed how he calls everyone kaffir and ends almost every sentence with

يستتاب والا يقتل

The book scares the sh*** out of me.

 

[Sheikh Google]

Are you against sharia law in Muslim countries or just the west

I look at sharia law through a historical context and how it has shaped and shifted many times during the 1400 years Islam has been about. Sharia law would never work because you have nearly 2 billion Muslims with differing opinions. You even have different Muslims within the same country. Even within a Muslim country like say Egypt are you going to tell the nearly 20 million Egyptian copts that they have to live under sharia law within their own country? One thing I am defo against is the salafs version of Sharia law. That does not in any shape or way or form belong in the modern world we live in.

 

[ReerVanCadde]

Honestly, I think nagaamos has a valid point in that you live in a secular state and their is no compulsion in religion.

If there needs to be an argument about capital punishment and so on then so be it, we as Muslims should feel comfortable and glad to debate, just like all the scholars in Baghdad or al-andalus. Our religion can stand the test of time.

It's these salafis, that takfir or say everything is bidaah that are in the wrong. They need to take a hike.

 

[Omar del Sur]

People don't want to hear this. This is straight facts. Anyone who says otherwise ain't looking at reality. The Deen is insightful, but what he said is no lie. No modern state in the west will ever approve of lashings for having sex. We gotta be real about this shit.

What matters is seeking the pleasure of Allah, not what the West thinks.

 

[Kool-Aid]

I look at sharia law through a historical context and how it has shaped and shifted many times during the 1400 years Islam has been about. Sharia law would never work because you have nearly 2 billion Muslims with differing opinions. You even have different Muslims within the same country. Even within a Muslim country like say Egypt are you going to tell the nearly 20 million Egyptian copts that they have to live under sharia law within their own country? One thing I am defo against is the salafs version of Sharia law. That does not in any shape or way or form belong in the modern world we live in.

So you want to change Islam to fit the modern world. I don't think that's ever gonna happen.

 

[Omar del Sur]

The salafi specializes in a concept called (النقل قبل العقل) meaning there is no place for critical thinking when it comes to disecting backward ideas in islam in modern societies. They either declare you a kaffir on the spot or they resort to ad-hominem tactics, or utilize both tactics at the same time. It is really sad.

There are no backwards ideas in Islam.

 

[Omar del Sur]

So you want to change Islam to fit the modern world. I don't think that's ever gonna happen.

"to fit the modern world"

ie to fit what white people think

 

[Omar del Sur]

If you need the deen to tell you to not rape someone then boy I can't even tell you anything else.

You completely missed the point. There truly are criminal people in society and there needs to be deterrence.

 

[4head]

So you want to change Islam to fit the modern world. I don't think that's ever gonna happen.

Islam is a dying faith where the majority are low IQ fobs or criminal reverts.

 

[Ismail99]

Raping kids is sick and disgusting including girls, we are talking salafi version of islam and how the very problematic concept paves the way for close minded ideas like stoning and marrying girls at any age.

Raping is sick according to your mind but who said everyone thinks like you? Why should I listen to your mind and not mine?

 

[Sheikh Google]

Islam is a dying faith where the majority are low IQ fobs or criminal reverts.

I feel for them in the UK prisons they prey on these people who need guidance and instead of the end up out of prison with the hate of salaf in their hearts. These are the guys recruited by terrorist organizations and young miskeen gang members who know nothing.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Honestly, I think nagaamos has a valid point in that you live in a secular state and their is no compulsion in religion.

If there needs to be an argument about capital punishment and so on then so be it, we as Muslims should feel comfortable and glad to debate, just like all the scholars in Baghdad or al-andalus. Our religion can stand the test of time.

It's these salafis, that takfir or say everything is bidaah that are in the wrong. They need to take a hike.

all the scholars in Al-Andalus?

Such as Ibn Hazm and Ibn Rushd? They both believed in sharia and wrote books on the subject.

Speaking of Al-Andalus, how is Al-Andalus these days? For some reason, I haven't heard about Al-Andalus in the news lately.

 

[Abba Sadacha]

The same society he lives in and is posting a comment from and on a forum where he is allowed to express his opinion. I wouldn't be surprised if your version of the perfect society is living like a bedouin in a desert in the 9th century.

Edit: Everything to a salaf is the big bad gaal. Like some kind of bogeyman who hides under the bed. These same "gaal" gave us asylum, healthcare, housing and allowed me to pursue a free education and better my life for myself and my family. The same salafs and wahabs who promote this hateful ideology are to busy bombing other Muslims in a never-ending war in Yemen. Heck, you go to a Somali in Somalia and offer him a visa to either an Arab country or the west, he will choose the west every time.

Most of the west got rich off oppressive tactics, i.e. slavery in the USA, exploitation of the resources of weaker, resource rich countries in Africa, etc. Keep this in mind, when you praise them and ill gotten wealth is bound to perish.

It's like hey, that guy got rich from exploiting the poor and not paying taxes, and other illegal stuff; wow he's so cool! [an analogy here]

Who said that? Being ''modern'' doesn't mean we have to praise things that are immoral and unjust, we can have the societal advancements without compromising ourselves as Muslims-yes, in this case, one can have their proverbial cake and eat it too.

You are focusing on individuals, who are wrong at times, and right at times, while not focusing on the deen, the actual truth, that's the problem I see with you here. You can raise your kids in the west, that's fine, but do not complain when your daughter has boyfriends, doesn't cover up, smokes, drinks, parties, etc, and when your son is the same; I've seen it here in the West. Muslim girls with boyfriends, who don't pray or cover, etc, while the men are equally as bad, doing the same sins. Is that really better than an Islamic environment, even if it's poor there?
Yes, or no, depending on your perspective- if the dunya is all you're after, sure, it's better in the west, if the akhirat is what you prefer, while seeking good in your share of the dunya as well, then....

 

[4head]

I feel for them in the UK prisons they prey on these people who need guidance and instead of the end up out of prison with the hate of salaf in their hearts. These are the guys recruited by terrorist organizations and young miskeen gang members who know nothing.

I spent my teen years with jiihadists ( addicts) and other salafi retards.


I only wish the best of those who are studying in the path of Allah.

 

[Kool-Aid]

Islam is a dying faith where the majority are low IQ fobs or criminal reverts.

Islam is definitely done in the west. However, I don't think it will be done in Muslim countries.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Honestly, I think nagaamos has a valid point in that you live in a secular state and their is no compulsion in religion.

If there needs to be an argument about capital punishment and so on then so be it, we as Muslims should feel comfortable and glad to debate, just like all the scholars in Baghdad or al-andalus. Our religion can stand the test of time.

It's these salafis, that takfir or say everything is bidaah that are in the wrong. They need to take a hike.

Also, how dare you try to twist the Quran to support secularism.

Do you understand the Quran better than Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)?

Did Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) implement a secular state?

 

[Sheikh Google]

Most of the west got rich off oppressive tactics, i.e. slavery in the USA, exploitation of the resources of weaker, resource rich countries in Africa, etc. Keep this in mind, when you praise them and ill gotten wealth is bound to perish.

It's like hey, that guy got rich from exploiting the poor and not paying taxes, and other illegal stuff; wow he's so cool! [an analogy here]

Who said that? Being ''modern'' doesn't mean we have to praise things that are immoral and unjust, we can have the societal advancements without compromising ourselves as Muslims-yes, in this case, one can have their proverbial cake and eat it too.

You are focusing on individuals, who are wrong at times, and right at times, while not focusing on the deen, the actual truth, that's the problem I see with you here. You can raise your kids in the west, that's fine, but do not complain when your daughter has boyfriends, doesn't cover up, smokes, drinks, parties, etc, and when your son is the same; I've seen it here in the West. Muslim girls with boyfriends, who don't pray or cover, etc, while the men are equally as bad, doing the same sins. Is that really better than an Islamic environment, even if it's poor there?
Yes, or no, depending on your perspective- if the dunya is all you're after, sure, it's better in the west, if the akhirat is what you prefer, while seeking good in your share of the dunya as well, then....

Oh boy... Then I hope for your sake you don't look into the history of slavery within the arab/islamic viewpoint. It's funny because I can already hear your response, the apologist for slavery within this viewpoint will spout the same rhetorics that the old white slave masters will say about slavery in the west. " oh we treat our slaves better and like people". Go learn about the history of Islam FFS so many on here have not a clue about the history of Islam but hey this is what happens when all you are taught is the sickness of the salaf way.

 

[Sheikh Google]

I spent my teen years with jiihadists (**** addicts) and other salafi retards.


I only wish the best of those who are studying in the path of Allah.

It really is grooming and a form of cancer imo. I was lost in my late teen and fell into this pathway, thankfully I was still involved in education so I saw other people's viewpoints and got out of it. They prey on uneducated people and teach them to hate, nothing else but hate. Us vs them. No critical thinking I was just a zombie parroting scriptures with no thinking.

 

[romanzolanski]

Islam is definitely done in the west. However, I don't think it will be done in Muslim countries.

....

Young Arabs are Changing their Beliefs and Perceptions: New Survey – Arab Barometer

www.arabbarometer.org

45.7% of tunisian youth describe themselves as irreligious

 

[ReerVanCadde]

Also, how dare you try to twist the Quran to support secularism.

Do you understand the Quran better than Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)?

Did Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) implement a secular state?

How have I twisted the Qur'an?
I said there's no compulsion in religion. Even back in sahabah's time Jews followed their own religion, had their owns judges etc, same with Christians.