Islamic Somalia or secular Somalia?

[Aaegal]

No such thing as separating mosque from state in our religion. If you're against the shariah, hate it and wish to replace it because you think Allah doesn't fit in the modern times, then you've left Islam.

Allah and Islam do not fit in with modern times. No religion does.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Allah and Islam do not fit in with modern times. No religion does.

Sorry, but I am a Muslim and don't believe that.

 

[Aaegal]

Sorry, but I am a Muslim and don't believe that.

I would rather the country I live in adapt with the times, learn from the best in the world, and not rely on an ancient book for guidance.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

I would rather the country I live in adapt with the times, learn from the best in the world, and not rely on an ancient book for guidance.

Well that's your view point as a non Muslim which you're free to have, but Somalia is a 99 % Muslim country.

 

[government]

I would rather the country I live in adapt with the times, learn from the best in the world, and not rely on an ancient book for guidance.

We can learn from the best without abandoning our religion

 

[Aaegal]

Well that's your view point as a non Muslim which you're free to have, but Somalia is a 99 % Muslim country.

Not every Somali is some hardcore Islamist. People practice on a spectrum. Those polls may also be skewed seeing as if someone finds out you are no longer Muslim they want to kill you.

There are rational Somali Muslims who believe in secularism. The guys in the video being an example.

 

[Aaegal]

We can learn from the best without abandoning our religion

The best say secular governance is better than one of religious governance. Secularism does not mean abandoning your religion.

Is religion suppose to be a personal thing or a tool used to keep people in line? Just answer that question for me please.

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Not every Somali is some hardcore Islamist. People practice on a spectrum. Those polls may also be skewed seeing as if someone finds out you are no longer Muslim they want to kill you.

There are rational Somali Muslims who believe in secularism. The guys in the video being an example.

We have 4 madhabs in Sunni Islam which are: Hanafi, Hanbali, Shafi'i and Maliki in regards to Islamic jurisprudence.

The above is the way Islam has been traditionally practiced for the past centuries. There is no such thing as "rational" Muslim or "hardcore Islamist". In East Africa and Somalia, we are Shafi'i.

As a non Muslim you have your way of living, and as Muslims we have ours.

 

[Khalid Hussein]

Islam is the key, If we had Islamic governments and everything we wouldn't be crappy Somalia, we would be ruling Parts of Ethiopia, Parts of Kenya, and Djibouti. Our flag will be اِلَهَ اِلّا اللّهُ مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُوُل اللّهِ

We wouldn't be split, We would be Brothers in Islam if we didn't much Kibr or pride about our Qabils. We Somalis have to much Kibr, that why Iblis is as Satan ar rajeem, because he was too proud of himself and he said to Allah The Lord of the Worlds, Because you created me from fire and you created him from clay. It like saying Darood is Stupid and Ishaaq is smart. See we have Kibr, Satan is our first enemy since Birth till death love Allah and his Prophet by not acting like the satan, If satan done kibr avoid from it.

 

[Khalid Hussein]

We have 4 madhabs in Sunni Islam which are: Hanafi, Hanbali, Shafi'i and Maliki in regards to Islamic jurisprudence.

The above is the way Islam has been traditionally practiced for the past centuries. There is no such thing as "rational" Muslim or "hardcore Islamist". In East Africa and Somalia, we are Shafi'i.

As a non Muslim you have your way of living, and as Muslims we have ours.

I am Hanbali.

 

[Sadam96]

This is

Islam is the key, If we had Islamic governments and everything we wouldn't be crappy Somalia, we would be ruling Parts of Ethiopia, Parts of Kenya, and Djibouti. Our flag will be اِلَهَ اِلّا اللّهُ مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُوُل اللّهِ

We wouldn't be split, We would be Brothers in Islam if we didn't much Kibr or pride about our Qabils. We Somalis have to much Kibr, that why Iblis is as Satan ar rajeem, because he was too proud of himself and he said to Allah The Lord of the Worlds, Because you created me from fire and you created him from clay. It like saying Darood is Stupid and Ishaaq is smart. See we have Kibr, Satan is our first enemy since Birth till death love Allah and his Prophet by not acting like the satan, If satan done kibr avoid from it.

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I don't want Somalia to become the next Saudi Arabia where they treated women and other minority groups like the second citizens. This is literally what al-Shabab want for Somalia, we will not allow it to happen. I want Somalia to be where they belong to before without Saudi and al-Shabab influence. you can keep Islam out of the government because this is holding government bit back from and limit their potentially.

 

[Jeesto]

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I don't want Somalia to become the next Saudi Arabia where they treated women and other minority groups like the second citizens. This is literally what al-Shabab want for Somalia, we will not allow it to happen. I want Somalia to be where they belong to before without Saudi and al-Shabab influence. you can keep Islam out of the government because this is holding government bit back from and limit their potentially.

Tell them sxb

 

[government]

Islam is the key, If we had Islamic governments and everything we wouldn't be crappy Somalia, we would be ruling Parts of Ethiopia, Parts of Kenya, and Djibouti. Our flag will be اِلَهَ اِلّا اللّهُ مُحَمَّدٌ رَسُوُل اللّهِ

We wouldn't be split, We would be Brothers in Islam if we didn't much Kibr or pride about our Qabils. We Somalis have to much Kibr, that why Iblis is as Satan ar rajeem, because he was too proud of himself and he said to Allah The Lord of the Worlds, Because you created me from fire and you created him from clay. It like saying Darood is Stupid and Ishaaq is smart. See we have Kibr, Satan is our first enemy since Birth till death love Allah and his Prophet by not acting like the satan, If satan done kibr avoid from it.

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I totally agree with you sxb the only law in Somalia should be sharia

 

[I've spoken]

Secular Somalia.

 

[axmedxajiisback]

Some somali scholars were asked if we should fully adopt the Sharia law into our constitution and this is what they said

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The problems are more deep rooted than that. If Somalia went secular overnight, it woul

I loved the answer of sheikh umal it was beautiful

The resident jihadist is at it again, protecting Muhammad's honor behind the computer screen (and in the battlefield if necessary).

 

[axmedxajiisback]

Siad Barre promoted Secularism, look at where it got him.

Pretty sure Siad Barre had other issues besides promoting secularism.

 

[axmedxajiisback]

I totally agree with you sxb the only law in Somalia should be sharia

Where a woman's testimony is 1/2 that of a man, where Christians and Jews can't build new churches or repair existing ones, where Christians and Jews have to pay Jizya so they get to live, where polygamy and child marriage is the law

 

[horumar]

Where a woman's testimony is 1/2 that of a man, where Christians and Jews can't build new churches or repair existing ones, where Christians and Jews have to pay Jizya so they get to live, where polygamy and child marriage is the law

Somalia has been under the sharia for all it's in entirety, this mosque was built under sharia

 

[axmedxajiisback]

Somalia has been under the sharia for all it's in entirety, this mosque was built under sharia

And...?