Isn't Djibouti apart of somalia?
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waraabe
Your superior
So the Ajuran was operating in Djibouti
You are an idiot sxb. just log off
Who is talking about Djibouti, you disillusioned Hyena.
It would be somalialand not somaliland
Look at the bold areas, Genius.
Somali psycho
~Bakool~
obviously Somalis didn't have a nation state at that time. For God's sake even Italy was a new state at that time. We would've been a nation state if it wasn't for he colonizers who divided us.
waraabe
Your superior
So the Ajuran was operating in Djibouti
You are an idiot sxb. just log off
@Zak Jingo why are you hiding
@Zak Jingo why are you hiding
Go troll from your second account @painfull truth. Off to Taraweeh, no time for your bullshit.
waraabe
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Reply to my comment if you aren't an idiot.
Fixed it for you based on facts. Still this Somali Weyn borders are wrong, because there are still many lands not colored from the Dir and Hawiye Somali under the Oromia region.
Besides
Degoodi,
Ajuraan and
Garre
all trace to Samaale not Hawiye.
Especially outside of Somalia do not claim to be Hawiye.
Garre of whom 1 of the 2 branches descends from Dir, The Quranyow of the Dir Irir Samaale. The Quranyow who dominate the Maadheera district of Kenya and in Southern Somalia thanks to isolation from other Garre's have formed and alliance with the Digil confederation.
The Garre and Gariire of the Dir. What an old Somali map even proves.
They today inhabit the Qarsadula, Gura-damol and Gorobakaks of the Somali region.
The Gaadsen and the Surre whom inhabit the Doolo Odo and Dolobay woredas.
You're welcome.
Afar are native to ERITEA amiright?
Fixed it for you based on facts. Still this Somali Weyn borders are wrong, because there are still many lands not colored from the Dir and Hawiye Somali under the Oromia region.
Besides
Degoodi,
Ajuraan and
Garre
all trace to Samaale not Hawiye.
Especially outside of Somalia do not claim to be Hawiye.
Garre of whom 1 of the 2 branches descends from Dir, The Quranyow of the Dir Irir Samaale. The Quranyow who dominate the Maadheera district of Kenya and in Southern Somalia thanks to isolation from other Garre's have formed and alliance with the Digil confederation.
The Garre and Gariire of the Dir. What an old Somali map even proves.
They today inhabit the Qarsadula, Gura-damol and Gorobakaks of the Somali region.
The Gaadsen and the Surre whom inhabit the Doolo Odo and Dolobay woredas.
You're welcome.
People all over the world sacrifice their lives and shed blood for their own nation, i.e Kurds, Uyghurs, the Balkan wars, etc.
So why would Djibouti go backwards and relinquish that same sovereignty that is treasured so much?
To join a failed state?
Ok you really don't know the history of Djibouti do ya?
''In 1958, on the eve of neighboring Somalia's independence in 1960, a referendum was held in Djibouti to decide whether to join the Somali Republic or to remain with France. The referendum turned out in favour of a continued association with France, partly due to a combined yes vote by the sizable Afar ethnic group and resident Europeans.[26] There were also allegations of widespread vote rigging.[27]The majority of those who had voted no were Somalis who were strongly in favour of joining a united Somalia as had been proposed by Mahmoud Harbi, Vice President of the Government Council. Harbi was killed in a plane crash two years later .Voting was also divided along ethnic lines, with the resident Somalis generally voting for independence, with the goal of eventual union with Somalia, and the Afars largely opting to remain associated with France.[7]The referendum was again marred by reports of vote rigging on the part of the French authorities''
Djibouti is a colonial imposition, not a single Somali wanted to be apart of it. By ignoring this you are denying the Somali majority people their inalienable right to Self-Determine.
In the words of Maxaamud Xarbi: “We must achieve independence; we prefer death to life under the aegis of imperialism”.
HalyeeyQaran
Citizen of Southwest State
What you just copy and pasted isn't relevant. What happened in 1958 isn't relevant. What's relevant is today and Djibouti doesn't want to relinquish its sovereignty. Unfortunately for you, writing incoherent blocks of text on a message board isn't going to change the reality on the ground.
Wether there was a collective state or not before colonialization is irrelevant. Modern states today are formed and created on the basis of collective political, cultural,historical interests.
The fact of the matter is that in early 19th Century Colonialism drew borders which did not exist and threw together Somali people who would ordinarily have lived together into one Somali nation and nationality.
The Somali concencus before the civil war was never focused on actualizing or identifying with the colonial borders the Europeans drew, it was to reject them and form our own natural borders i.e Soomaaliweyn. Through self determination!
It is relevant, because this was never our choice to begin with and surely Djibouti is not a reflection of Somali interests or agency. I copy and pasted it as a short snippet overview to what went down. It was to show how ignorant it was of you to try and compare them to Kurds, Ughyurs and the balkans
The reality on the ground is the same if you actually interview the Somali local populous you will see that many of them have no issue with joining the larger Somali Nation if the oppurtunity presented itself. The borders itself have no real bearing as the inhabitance travel to Somalia and Galbeed back and forth, many who even reside there and have relatives there. Shows that they don't identify solely with that one little area called Djibouti.
What would they gain by being a weak little country with no resources and a foreign military base?
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HalyeeyQaran
Citizen of Southwest State
It is relevant, because this was never our choice to begin with and surely Djibouti is not a reflection of Somali interests or agency. I copy and pasted it as a short snippet overview to what went down. It was to show how ignorant it was of you to try and compare them to Kurds, Ughyurs and the balkans
The reality on the ground is the same if you actually interview the Somali local populous you will see that many of them have no issue with joining the larger Somali Nation if the oppurtunity presented itself. The borders itself have no real bearing as the inhabitance travel to Somalia and Galbeed back and forth, many who even reside there and have relatives there. Shows that they don't identify solely with that one little area called Djibouti.
What would they gain by being a weak little country with no resources and a foreign military base?
Not even going to entertain the first two paragraphs as they have virtually nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
To answer your question, Djibouti possesses the most treasured thing a people could possess. They possess sovereignty and they'll never give it up. That itself is an adequate reason to never join the former Somali Democratic Republic.
To add to that, the former Somali Democratic Republic is a failed state. Now, tell me, why would a peaceful, relatively stable nation opt to join a failed state? You're arguing for the sake of arguing sxb.
Soomaali(ya) is a 100% soomali made.... Soomaali people are ethnic group which lives in horn of africa and we just added(a) o(ya) whichs natural... soomaali(a) is 100% soomaali.... many countries has ended(a) LIKE SAUDI ARABI(A). Syri(a). Keny(a) Ugand(a) Somali(a)..
unlike north somalia they took whole english word(land) soomali + ( a english word(land) therefore somali(land) is 100% invention of british...
unlike north somalia they took whole english word(land) soomali + ( a english word(land) therefore somali(land) is 100% invention of british...
Saaxiib. You cannot dismiss what i said just because it is inconvient for your argument.
What i stated has everything to do with the discussion. If you disagree you can either refute it with facts or argue it.
Its ironic, you just dismiss what i say with no refutation but try to label me as someone who argues for the sake of arguing. Like a mature civil person.
That wasnt an answer to my question just a whole diatribe against Somalia
My question was: What would they gain by being an impoverished country with no resources and neo-colonial outpost who are conviently used as a foreign military base?
They are not exactly sovereign when you look at it from that standpoint and they are certaintly not soverign considering that Djibouti itself is a colonial imposition.
The only way they will be truly sovereign is if they join their fellow Somalis.
To answer your question. A single failure does not mean an inevitable collapse of Soomaalinimo. It is easy to turn failure into success no need to pretend this is an innately bad thing. Failure is part of the ingredience to Success
In the near future once things stabilize and the oppurtunity presents itself Reer djibouti would wish to reunite with the Somali Nation. This is a fact. By ignoring this you are denying them their agency.
It is their right to "Self Determine"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination
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Even UK was mixed England, Scotland and north Ireland, same German, and half east Europe countries
HalyeeyQaran
Citizen of Southwest State
You keep parroting this phrase "colonial imposition" but I'm not sure if you know what it means. The entire continent of Africa is a "colonial imposition." Your beloved "Somalia" is a "colonial imposition." How you use that as a primary argument is not only baffling but quite absurd.
Djibouti thrives by being a sovereign nation located in a very strategic location which fuels their trade and encourages diplomatic ties to various nations.
How is it a fact that Djiboutian nationals want to join Somalia? Are we going to start pulling things out of thin air now? That malignant declaration holds absolutely no weight whatsoever and it is laughable that you try to pass such nonsense as a fact.
Your whole argument is a collection of various buzzwords, with my favorite being "colonial imposition."
You're right that in saying that the Djiboutian people have a right to self-determination, as everyone does, and they are exercising that right by being citizens of a sovereign nation called Djibouti.
Copying and pasting Wikipedia pages won't cause Djibouti to make the heedless decision of merging with the failed state and thankfully so.
Djibouti thrives by being a sovereign nation located in a very strategic location which fuels their trade and encourages diplomatic ties to various nations.
How is it a fact that Djiboutian nationals want to join Somalia? Are we going to start pulling things out of thin air now? That malignant declaration holds absolutely no weight whatsoever and it is laughable that you try to pass such nonsense as a fact.
Your whole argument is a collection of various buzzwords, with my favorite being "colonial imposition."
You're right that in saying that the Djiboutian people have a right to self-determination, as everyone does, and they are exercising that right by being citizens of a sovereign nation called Djibouti.
Copying and pasting Wikipedia pages won't cause Djibouti to make the heedless decision of merging with the failed state and thankfully so.
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