I've always wondered if apostates....

[Mercury]

A Hindu will claim the Veda is the truth. Where is the evidence that this book is actually divine?

First and foremost we are brought up thinking that everything that we must verify must be touched and felt now let me tell you something if god could be touched and felt and seen would that be god?

god actually says there are good reasons to believe in him

for example , look do you believe you had a great great great great great great great grandma? have you ever seen her? do you have access to her dna her grave?

scientifically you have no clue your just dumb on this position now does science say we can only verify the physical world with things which we can touch and feel .This is the non verifiable thing the ónly way you know you got a great great great great great great grandma is because your here youve made a logical rational decision not based on the physical world but based on necessity if its necessary your great great great great great grandma existed in order for you to be here you cant see here but if someone said she never existed youd be like youre crazy.

Do you see my point so the point is we dont need physical evidence all the time to come to conclusions exactly the same thing with god if you said cause and effect creator and created lets put it this way everything in the universe dude that begins to exist just popped here i am i just popped into existence has a cause you knw you must have came from somewhere everything that begins and starts to exist always has a cause now the universe without a shadow of doubt now began to exist based of philosophy mathematics big bang so from all this we know the universe began to exist so what logically follows therefore the universe has a cause

So we just say like without a doubt we know the universe has a cause, what is the nature of this cause well if it created the universe well if you create the universe it cant be part of the universe cause if its part of the universe than that would mean the universe existed and didnt exist at the same time does that make sense? no cause its crazy can someone exist and not exist at the same time?

So theres that it must be one cause if someone is knocking on the door we dont assume theres a mancester united football team behind the door right? we say its just one person yeah, cause its the the most logical explanation we know he must be all powerful he didnt create the geater sign he created the entire universe right? and you know you must be uncreated well some people would say but who created god?

It must be uncreated why? for example if i was to shoot you here and before i shoot I have to ask Abdi for permission Abdi can i shoot this guy? and he says wait I need to ask the one behind me to shoot and that guy have to ask for permission too if that goes on forever could i shoot you?

Its the same thing with universe the question of saying who created god is equivalent of saying there is no creation cause you need a final point cause if it went on forever we would never have creation in the first place.

Qol hoa Allaho Ahad, Alaho Samad, Lam yalid wa lam yolad, wa lam yakon laho koffoan Ahad which means
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.
hes outside the universe


So just using our Aql in islam we use reflection as the quran always tells us to reflect so we come to the conclusion that there must be a god

 

[Tramo]

It hurts me when people tell me that the Earth has no booty, that it's flat

this is the earth 'rotating', with the other 'planets' looking on

 

[The_Cosmos]

I can't remember to be honest. I'd been taught about evolution by then but I still chose to do my own research into Islam at a young age. I've never been taught Islam by my parents, never taken to madrassa, never told to wear hijaab or pray.
If anyone had 'brainwashed' me, it was myself.

Don't be so sure. Your parents did raise you as a Muslim and did teach some of the basics of Islamic like heaven and hell but didn't teach you about its core beliefs. However, the very fact that you're a Muslim is clear evidence that they did raise you as Muslim. Naturally you'll end up yearning to learn more about the faith of your parents. I was the same. I only rejected the faith when I started to doubt the existence of God.

 

[VixR]

this is the earth 'rotating', with the other 'planets' looking on

Wrong rotation axis, Earth. To start..

 

[Muhajaba]

this is the earth 'rotating', with the other 'planets' looking on

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[The_Cosmos]

First and foremost we are brought up thinking that everything that we must verify must be touched and felt now let me tell you something if god could be touched and felt and seen would that be god?

god actually says there are good reasons to believe in him

for example , look do you believe you had a great great great great great great great grandma? have you ever seen her? do you have access to her dna her grave?

scientifically you have no clue your just dumb on this position now does science say we can only verify the physical world with things which we can touch and feel .This is the non verifiable thing the ónly way you know you got a great great great great great great grandma is because your here youve made a logical rational decision not based on the physical world but based on necessity if its necessary your great great great great great grandma existed in order for you to be here you cant see here but if someone said she never existed youd be like youre crazy.

Do you see my point so the point is we dont need physical evidence all the time to come to conclusions exactly the same thing with god if you said cause and effect creator and created lets put it this way everything in the universe dude that begins to exist just popped here i am i just popped into existence has a cause you knw you must have came from somewhere everything that begins and starts to exist always has a cause now the universe without a shadow of doubt now began to exist based of philosophy mathematics big bang so from all this we know the universe began to exist so what logically follows therefore the universe has a cause

So we just say like without a doubt we know the universe has a cause, what is the nature of this cause well if it created the universe well if you create the universe it cant be part of the universe cause if its part of the universe than that would mean the universe existed and didnt exist at the same time does that make sense? no cause its crazy can someone exist and not exist at the same time?

So theres that it must be one cause if someone is knocking on the door we dont assume theres a mancester united football team behind the door right? we say its just one person yeah, cause its the the most logical explanation we know he must be all powerful he didnt create the geater sign he created the entire universe right? and you know you must be uncreated well some people would say but who created god?

It must be uncreated why? for example if i was to shoot you here and before i shoot I have to ask Abdi for permission Abdi can i shoot this guy? and he says wait I need to ask the one behind me to shoot and that guy have to ask for permission too if that goes on forever could i shoot you?

Its the same thing with universe the question of saying who created god is equivalent of saying there is no creation cause you need a final point cause if it went on forever we would never have creation in the first place.

Qol hoa Allaho Ahad, Alaho Samad, Lam yalid wa lam yolad, wa lam yakon laho koffoan Ahad which means
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.
hes outside the universe


So just using our Aql in islam we use reflection as the quran always tells us to reflect so we come to the conclusion that there must be a god

You wrote too much for me to address all at once. I'll address your main points.

First and foremost, I demanded evidence and in know no way did I claim that this evidence must come through our sensory receptors.

I don't like what you did there. You made a claim for me and then answered it yourself. I demanded empirical evidence and that's all.

I can prove my great grandparents from the 12th generation and so on existed simply based on the scientific method. My DNA is peppered with the countless footprints of those that came before me. Using modern scientific machines, scientists can draw up my family tree and tell me where my ancestors came from, their colour of skin, eye colour and much more. This is empirical evidence that they existed.

Now, where is the empirical evidence that Allah exists? I'm not saying I have to touch him or feel him, I'm simply saying show me evidence that Allah exists.

 

[The_Cosmos]

First and foremost we are brought up thinking that everything that we must verify must be touched and felt now let me tell you something if god could be touched and felt and seen would that be god?

god actually says there are good reasons to believe in him

for example , look do you believe you had a great great great great great great great grandma? have you ever seen her? do you have access to her dna her grave?

scientifically you have no clue your just dumb on this position now does science say we can only verify the physical world with things which we can touch and feel .This is the non verifiable thing the ónly way you know you got a great great great great great great grandma is because your here youve made a logical rational decision not based on the physical world but based on necessity if its necessary your great great great great great grandma existed in order for you to be here you cant see here but if someone said she never existed youd be like youre crazy.

Do you see my point so the point is we dont need physical evidence all the time to come to conclusions exactly the same thing with god if you said cause and effect creator and created lets put it this way everything in the universe dude that begins to exist just popped here i am i just popped into existence has a cause you knw you must have came from somewhere everything that begins and starts to exist always has a cause now the universe without a shadow of doubt now began to exist based of philosophy mathematics big bang so from all this we know the universe began to exist so what logically follows therefore the universe has a cause

So we just say like without a doubt we know the universe has a cause, what is the nature of this cause well if it created the universe well if you create the universe it cant be part of the universe cause if its part of the universe than that would mean the universe existed and didnt exist at the same time does that make sense? no cause its crazy can someone exist and not exist at the same time?

So theres that it must be one cause if someone is knocking on the door we dont assume theres a mancester united football team behind the door right? we say its just one person yeah, cause its the the most logical explanation we know he must be all powerful he didnt create the geater sign he created the entire universe right? and you know you must be uncreated well some people would say but who created god?

It must be uncreated why? for example if i was to shoot you here and before i shoot I have to ask Abdi for permission Abdi can i shoot this guy? and he says wait I need to ask the one behind me to shoot and that guy have to ask for permission too if that goes on forever could i shoot you?

Its the same thing with universe the question of saying who created god is equivalent of saying there is no creation cause you need a final point cause if it went on forever we would never have creation in the first place.

Qol hoa Allaho Ahad, Alaho Samad, Lam yalid wa lam yolad, wa lam yakon laho koffoan Ahad which means
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.
hes outside the universe


So just using our Aql in islam we use reflection as the quran always tells us to reflect so we come to the conclusion that there must be a god

Allah must be proven to exist otherwise you're demanding people to believe in a being that they cannot verify exists. Their punishment for not being able to find evidence is eternal damnation.

 

[Daisy]

The earth is not flat. Quran says the following:
“And we have made the earth Dahaha”. [Al-Quran 79:30]
Many scholars have accertained that the Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped, round.

 

[Muhajaba]

You wrote too much for me to address all at once. I'll address your main points.

First and foremost, I demanded evidence and in know no way did I claim that this evidence must come through our sensory receptors.

I don't like what you did there. You made a claim for me and then answered it yourself. I demanded empirical evidence and that's all.

I can prove my great grandparents from the 12th generation and so on existed simply based on the scientific method. My DNA is peppered with the countless footprints of those that came before me. Using modern scientific machines, scientists can draw up my family tree and tell me where my ancestors came from, their colour of skin, eye colour and much more. This is empirical evidence that they existed.

Now, where is the empirical evidence that Allah exists? I'm not saying I have to touch him or feel him, I'm simply saying show me evidence that Allah exists.

Oh you're so full of shyte kkkk
Did you witness and observe evolution with your own eyes or did you just blindly accept you came from apes from the mere words of men?

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[Muhajaba]

The earth is not flat. Quran says the following:
“And we have made the earth Dahaha”. [Al-Quran 79:30]
Many scholars have accertained that the Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped, round.

The correct meaning is 'spread out' like an Ostrich would spread the earth to place it's egg. So 'dahaha' is the nest of the Ostrich not the actual egg.

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[The_Cosmos]

Oh you're so full of shyte kkkk
Did you witness and observe evolution with your own eyes or did you just blindly accept you came from apes from the mere words of men?

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I'm guessing by your logic if someone commited murder and all the evidence (All the forensic analysis such as DNA) points to a specific, detectives cannot arrest that person simply on the grounds that nobody saw him do it. Of course you won't agree with such absurdity because that's not how things works. Science has made things a lot more decisive.

Evolution works the exact same way. We have arrived after evolution has occurred but we have managed to gather all the DNA evidence and fossil records to then begin to try and figure out what actually occurred.

P.S. Evolution has actually been obsessed to occur in bird species and lizards. They managed to evolve in new environments in the period of just 30 years.

 

[Muhajaba]

I'm guessing by your logic if someone commited murder and all the evidence (All the forensic analysis such as DNA) points to a specific, detectives cannot arrest that person simply on the grounds that nobody saw him do it. Of course you won't agree with such absurdity because that's not how things works. Science has made things a lot more decisive.

Evolution works the exact same way. We have arrived after evolution has occurred but we have managed to gather all the DNA evidence and fossil records to then begin to try and figure out what actually occurred.

P.S. Evolution has actually been obsessed to occur in bird species and lizards. They managed to evolve in new environments in the period of just 30 years.

Lol yaa Rabb! And you say I'm delusional? you want emperical evidence of Allah, look around you! 'tis not the eyes that are blind but the hearts.

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[The_Cosmos]

The earth is not flat. Quran says the following:
“And we have made the earth Dahaha”. [Al-Quran 79:30]
Many scholars have accertained that the Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped, round.

I'm sorry but I'll have to agree with @Muhajaba on this one. All the major translations of the Quran have translated the word "dahaha" to mean spread out.

Anyways, it would still be wrong.

 

[Tramo]

Oh you're so full of shyte kkkk
Did you witness and observe evolution with your own eyes or did you just blindly accept you came from apes from the mere words of men?

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literally in front of your eyes

 

[The_Cosmos]

Lol yaa Rabb! And you say I'm delusional? you want emperical evidence of Allah, look around you! 'tis not the eyes that are blind but the hearts.

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You move from point to point. Could you please address my point on evolution before jumping to God.

Also, we know how the world works and we know that a supernatural deity is not required.

 

[Mercury]

Allah must be proven to exist otherwise you're demanding people to believe in a being that they cannot verify exists. Their punishment for not being able to find evidence is eternal damnation.

look believing in God obviously requires imaan/faith to believe what one cannot directly see

I can’t see air But I know that it is there because I see the effects of air when the wind blows

So who Made nature and created animals if theres no god?

 

[The_Cosmos]

literally in front of your eyes

Someone who believes that the Earth is flat certainly isn't going to acknowledge evidence. It's as alien to them as a phone would be to an isolated tribe. They think it's the Devils work.

 

[Muhajaba]

literally in front of your eyes

Great! Now show me where the bacteria stops being bacteria and changes to a new species [emoji102]
Wait I'll grab my popcorn.

 

[The_Cosmos]

look believing in God obviously requires imaan/faith to believe what one cannot directly see

I can’t see air But I know that it is there because I see the effects of air when the wind blows

So who Made nature and created animals if theres no god?

Now, you're deflecting to faith which doesn't require evidence. Faith and evidence are two different things.

I can feel air on my skin, I can test and verify its effects on the environment around me. I can figure out the elements that make up the air that we feel. All this requires empirical evidence. Science works only on evidence and therefore nothing is accepted as fact without evidence.

The Earth, nature and animals have all derived from a long process that is governed by the natural laws of physics. Nothing supernatural is required to explain how we arrived on planet earth.

I would like to ask you a question? What created God? If you claim that God is eternal or that it's a silly question, then you're just pushing the special pleading card. There is no reason to assume that we need a God to exists but then to say that this God can exit on his own is just ludicrous. It's a hypocritical argument that is just implementing special pleading.

 

[Muhajaba]

Now, you're deflecting to faith which doesn't require evidence. Faith and evidence are two different things.

I can feel air on my skin, I can test and verify its effects on the environment around me. I can figure out the elements that make up the air that we feel. All this requires empirical evidence. Science works only on evidence and therefore nothing is accepted as fact without evidence.

The Earth, nature and animals have all derived from a long process that is governed by the natural laws of physics. Nothing supernatural is required to explain how we arrived on planet earth.

I would like to ask you a question? What created God? If you claim that God is eternal or that it's a silly question, then you're just pushing the special pleading card. There is no reason to assume that we need a God to exists but then to say that this God can exit on his own is just ludicrous. It's a hypocritical argument that is just implementing special pleading.

You actually contradict yourselves because you claim to believe I'm the law of entropy but the atheism contradicts it completely.