Jewish man calls out Somali man hypocrisy on diversity

[Himmler]

By the way, the West has a tremendous bias against Muslims. So the "neutrality secular" bullshit is very differential. So spare us this crap.

No way near the bias against non-Muslims present in Islamic countries.

The point is Muslims expect proper treatment when in Christian/secular societies but this is absolutely not reciprocated by Muslims who treat non-Muslims like second class citizens, which is partially baked into Islam.

Even if they had pure secularism, similar to, for example, France, you see by default how it is anti-Islamic. Jews are not treated like Muslims in France, neither are Christians as they have their own regions without enforced secularism.

LOL are you being serious right now? Your forgetting the fact that many of the Muslims in France come from places like the Maghreb and the Middle East and these people commit extremely disproportionate amounts of crime and are overall a net negative for the country, it goes without saying Jews and Christians know how to behave and don’t act like animals the way many of these Muslims from the MENA region in France do.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

The son is advancing the father's atrocious ways today. We saw the peculiarity of the mask peeling off when they gave weapons with additional assistance and "moral" (I know, sounds ridiculous because of irony) support to the last and most advanced colonial project of Western imperialism we call Israel to bomb poor Muslim people.

Precisely. Travesty of it all is when the progeny of the down-trodden embraces the legacy of the original crime whilst still beholden to the criminal, who now adorns a white cloth in virtue-signaling pronouncements to further beguile the Commoner. Must say, it is, by the far, the cleverest of all tricks!

 

[JustSomeGuy]

No way near the bias against non-Muslims present in Islamic countries.

The point is Muslims expect proper treatment when in Christian/secular societies but this is absolutely not reciprocated by Muslims who treat non-Muslims like second class citizens, which is partially baked into Islam.

LOL are you being serious right now? Your forgetting the fact that many of the Muslims in France come from places like the Maghreb and the Middle East and these people commit extremely disproportionate amounts of crime and are overall a net negative for the country, it goes without saying Jews and Christians know how to behave and don’t act like animals the way many of these Muslims from the MENA region in France do.

That’s only the niggas from MENA, and you can’t put the whole blame on them for the situation they end up in.

Immigrants from the Caribbean commit disproportionate amount of crime as well. Yet people respect them more. You can’t tell me there isn’t a bias.

 

[Himmler]

Somalia did not colonise continents, rob colonies of their greatest assets incl. humans and natural resources, recruits,

Skill issue tbh, if Somalis could they would. Somalis on this very forum fantasise endlessly about building an empire.

Could you imagine Britain without the wealth of Africa (Oh gold, diamonds, iron ore, coal and mining to name a few), Asia, esp. India (Oh gold not to mention cheap labour: the millions who perished in S Africa), West Indies (Oh the plantations), and Americas ( the real estate)? I will not even bring up mammoth contribution slavery, and by extension indentureship, has made to the rise of the the US empire.

You have no idea what your talking about lmao “mammoth contribution of slavery” LOL this is all in your head and you have no data to back up these claims. Britain and the rest of the west would be just fine without all those things you mentioned and none of these things warrant immigrants flooding into Europe raping, assaulting, thieving en masse

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Skill issue tbh, if Somalis could they would. Somalis on this very forum fantasise endlessly about building an empire.

You have no idea what you’re talking about lmao “mammoth contribution of slavery” LOL this is all in your head and you have no data to back up these claims. Britain and the rest of the west would be just fine without all those things you mentioned and none of these things warrant immigrants flooding into Europe raping, assaulting, thieving en masse

The trillions they took made no contribution? Bangladesh alone contributed a lot to help kickstart the Industrial Revolution. You niggas sound like those Right Wing racists, dismissing the contributions that non-White nations made.

I have no problem with anti-immigration stance but downplaying the horrors committed during colonialism and the contributions that non-Whites have made to the progress of humanity is plain retarded. GTFO with that nonsense

 

[Himmler]

That’s only the niggas from MENA, and you can’t put the whole blame on them for the situation they end up in.

Immigrants from the Caribbean commit disproportionate amount of crime as well. Yet people respect them more. You can’t tell me there isn’t a bias.

Wtf what plant do you live on who respects Caribbean people.
They are looked at as low iq weed smokers who are obsessed with white women and leave them with 10 kids alone.

 

[Khanderson]

Nope. The West has diversity as a major value that they push. They're secular and promote this notion of being "neutral" on religious aspects, saying that all religions are the same to the state.

We're not saying that, that is not our way. We've never put forth such strange claims.

The West is trying to force other countries to come into the fold of those values. So they are even worse because they want us to be more like them in our own countries. That's why Biden wanted to sanction Nigeria for its values, and the IMF terminated conditions for loans for Uganda for their values, showing exactly how they try to coerce others into their ways. So it is strange to have this "West has the moral high ground" crap when they never do. Never.

But of course, a non-believing secular guy would also have this being an important factor because your values align more with a random cadaan rather than the average Somali.

By the way, the West has a tremendous bias against Muslims. So the "neutrality secular" bullshit is very differential. So spare us this crap.

Even if they had pure secularism, similar to, for example, France, you see by default how it is anti-Islamic. Jews are not treated like Muslims in France, neither are Christians as they have their own regions without enforced secularism.

So they never let you be in their country and in your country they want to still push their ways.

The point is, that your argument fails. All of them.

Even funnier, that Jew is a massive Zionist and supporter of the genocide that takes place in Palestine and he believes Jews should have an ethno-state. So you failed even there because the guy is actually a real hypocrite and a scum of a human.

Westerners are hypocrites.
But that’s not the point of my argument.

The point of this arguments: is about Somalis migrating to secular countries and expecting respect from their host country when they wouldn’t do the same to other people in their own country.

I think you can agree that they are Somalis who wouldn’t acknowledge other religious minorities in Somalia.

This is the point of the hypocrisy you’re not addressing.



However there’s truth to your post about Western hypocrisy.
For example: France wouldn’t accept niqab being displayed into their society even though they do push secularism onto their communities a lot.
French culture is complex when it comes to diversity.

French considers ‘the people of France’ French if they align with their value (even though they do push multiculturalism a lot).

French are racially tolerant towards other groups but they do have prejudice views towards MENA culture. mainly because people believe MENA culture does not align with western value.

But not every Westerner’s are the same for example

The U.K is the most secular and tolerant country in most western countries.

Muslims are really benefiting greatly in the U.k.
A true story that I’ve heard a while ago:

that there was a Muslim guy who was trying to buy off a church that was no longer being used
Seeing the Muslim guy buy the church and turn into a mosque.
Shows the tolerance of the U.K

But what separates the two lately has been about the conflict between the Palestine and Israel war.

The Jewish man is right for this argument (I don’t condone the Zionism ideology he promotes) but he’s right on this stand.

 

[Himmler]

The trillions they took made no contribution? Bangladesh alone contributed a lot to help kickstart the Industrial Revolution. You niggas sound like those Right Wing racists, dismissing the contributions that non-White nations made.

I never said it made no contribution but the person I responded to was acting like colonialism somehow built Europe and North America and that without them they would be significantly worse off.

There is absolutely no evidence supporting this bullshit narrative of “mammoth contribution of slavery”.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Wtf what plant do you live on who respects Caribbean people.
They are looked at as low iq weed smokers who are obsessed with white women and leave them with 10 kids alone.

lol you’re right but they’ve been in the West for long enough that they’re finally becoming celebrities & being represented more.
My point is 3rd world immigrants in general are bad, no matter where they come from.

 

[Himmler]

That’s only the niggas from MENA, and you can’t put the whole blame on them for the situation they end up in.

This is also a load of bullshit lmao to say you can’t blame them for there horrid behaviour, then who is too blame? Who do you blame when in some European nations more than 90% of sexual assault is committed by foreign men who are Muslim btw, a religion which condemns rape/sexual assault, how do socioeconomics explain this particular issue?

It’s so funny when I hear Somalis say this because Somalis on this very forum call for deportation of Bantus, Barwanis, Oromos and other minorities some of which have been here for hundreds of years and often have Somali ancestry, a culture/language extremely similar to Somali culture/language and at times can even pass as fully Somali.

And no it’s not just MENA, Somalis also act like animals in many parts of Europe

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

You have no idea what your talking about lmao “mammoth contribution of slavery”

Oh my, convinced I am you are deriving steam from what you may observe round you, but do spare a thought for causation, legacy, hidden factors incl. historical one etc; do you by chance have homework or a project, and you are looking for reference material and case studies for your homework? If so, I do not mind being of assistance, but do us all a favour to read a book or two about: a) slavery and the industrial revolution, or b) slavery and capital markets. In there, you'll find the answers you are after. It is well documented. Good luck, by the way.

LOL this is all in your head and you have no data to back up these claims. Britain and the rest of the west would be just fine without all those things you mentioned and none of these things warrant immigrants flooding into Europe raping, assaulting, thieving en masse

With those statements, O Spengler would have been so proud of you.

Quite the wolly, are not you? You sound a lot like Ms S Braveman stomping and bellowing: 'cut the rope'.

Postscript:
In Britain alone, some of the industries built upon, and from colonial legacy, particularly the slave trade included:

Again, in Britain alone: consider the riches and origins of Barclays, Barrings, Lloyd's Insurance, Trafalgar House to name a few.

From India alone for the specified period alone, Britain:
'New research by the renowned economist Utsa Patnaik – just published by Columbia University Press – deals a crushing blow to this narrative. Drawing on nearly two centuries of detailed data on tax and trade, Patnaik calculated that Britain drained a total of nearly $45 trillion from India during the period 1765 to 1938. It’s a staggering sum. For perspective, $45 trillion is 17 times more than the total annual gross domestic product of the United Kingdom today'.

https://cup.columbia.edu/book/agrarian-and-other-histories/9789382381952

Adjunct:
On another, consider Britain's exploitation of the Caribbeans, S Africa, its East Africa companies etc. I'll link up Ch. 4 documentary ' The Empire Pays Back'.



'Beckford's experts estimated Britain's debt to Africans in the continent and diaspora to be in the trillions of pounds. While this was a useful benchmark, its basis was mistaken. Not because it was excessive, but because the real debt is incalculable. For without Africa and its Caribbean plantation extensions, the modern world as we know it would not exist.

Profits from slave trading and from sugar, coffee, cotton and tobacco are only a small part of the story. What mattered was how the pull and push from these industries transformed western Europe's economies. English banking, insurance, shipbuilding, wool and cotton manufacture, copper and iron smelting, and the cities of Bristol, Liverpool and Glasgow, multiplied in response to the direct and indirect stimulus of the slave plantations'.

Richard Drayton: The wealth of the west was built on Africa's exploitation

Richard Drayton: Britain has never faced up to the dark side of its imperial history.

www.theguardian.com

 

[MVPSOM]

If the zio boy did his homework, he'd be aware that Somalia is one of the few countries where well over 90% of the population is either one ethnic group or one religious group.

 

[Khanderson]

If the zio boy did his homework, he'd be aware that Somalia is one of the few countries where well over 90% of the population is either one ethnic group or one religious group.

Non muslim Somalis do exist.

it just a taboo to announce that you’re non Muslim

 

[CABDULWALI XASAN.]

Alhamdullilah the majority of Somalia is Muslim, we might be from different clans or region but we all share the same religion of Islam.

 

[MVPSOM]

Non muslim Somalis do exist.

it just a taboo to announce that you’re non Muslim

True, but what would you estimate the percentage of non Muslim Somalis?

 

[Mayor]

Non-Jews in Israel are natives who used to be the majority, but were ethnically cleansed to the point where they now only make up 20%. That isn’t diversity, that’s oppression

 

[The alchemist]

Precisely. Travesty of it all is when the progeny of the down-trodden embraces the legacy of the original crime whilst still beholden to the criminal, who now adorns a white cloth in virtue-signaling pronouncements to further beguile the Commoner. Must say, it is, by the far, the cleverest of all tricks!

It's the next stage of things and it is highly effective. Anyway, these cats are not my people. You have walking traitors wondering why their communities don't embrace them while championing everything that undermines that said community.

 

[The alchemist]

Westerners are hypocrites.
But that’s not the point of my argument.

The point of this arguments: is about Somalis migrating to secular countries and expecting respect from their host country when they wouldn’t do the same to other people in their own country.

I think you can agree that they are Somalis who wouldn’t acknowledge other religious minorities in Somalia.

This is the point of the hypocrisy you’re not addressing.



However there’s truth to your post about Western hypocrisy.
For example: France wouldn’t accept niqab being displayed into their society even though they do push secularism onto their communities a lot.
French culture is complex when it comes to diversity.

French considers ‘the people of France’ French if they align with their value (even though they do push multiculturalism a lot).

French are racially tolerant towards other groups but they do have prejudice views towards MENA culture. mainly because people believe MENA culture does not align with western value.

But not every Westerner’s are the same for example

The U.K is the most secular and tolerant country in most western countries.

Muslims are really benefiting greatly in the U.k.
A true story that I’ve heard a while ago:

that there was a Muslim guy who was trying to buy off a church that was no longer being used
Seeing the Muslim guy buy the church and turn into a mosque.
Shows the tolerance of the U.K

But what separates the two lately has been about the conflict between the Palestine and Israel war.

The Jewish man is right for this argument (I don’t condone the Zionism ideology he promotes) but he’s right on this stand.

Did you even read what I wrote? By doing that, you'd spare yourself this text.

 

[Khanderson]

Did you even read what I wrote? By doing that, you'd spare yourself this text.

I have and I disagreed.

Most of your post just felt like a rant against the west and how they’re trying to impose their beliefs on us.

Which wouldn’t make any sense to why muslims are living in western countries to begin with.

If they believe their beliefs aren’t being respected then….leave


Muslims are pro theocratic but wouldn’t mind living western countries that are secular.

They wouldn’t allow other religious minorities in their countries but expect other people to respect their beliefs in western countries.

This is the hypocrisy that needs to be addressed in the Muslim community and ours.

Also:
You’re right about some issues revolving around the hypocrisy of France and their Islamophobic views.

but you can’t say that about the U.K or other western countries; since they’ve been tolerant and accepted of other Muslims.

For example in the UK we have a Pakistani Muslim mayor: Sadiq Khan

In America there’s a lot of famous and known muslims influencers: Suleiman (muslims activist) congress Muslim women that you’re already familiar with; Ilhan Omar.

And historical figure Mohammed Ali.

 

[Macawisley]

If Jews can have a state for Jews Somalis can have a state for Somalis