Jewish man calls out Somali man hypocrisy on diversity

[Mayor]

They wouldn’t allow other religious minorities in their countries but expect other people to respect their beliefs in western countries.

The west was built on liberalism which means there must be freedom of religion. The west is not doing Muslims a favor by allowing them to practice their faith, they’re just living up to their values. Doing anything else would make them hypocrites

The Muslim world isn’t claiming to be a liberal utopia like the west is, so holding them to western values doesn’t make sense

You judge hypocrisy based on if someone lives up to their own values, not if they live up to the values of others.

Nobody gets upset at Korea or Japan for not taking in refugees. Those two countries never claimed to be multicultural paradises, so they’re not getting compared to the west

Muslims are pro theocratic but wouldn’t mind living western countries that are secular.

If the west doesn’t want Muslim immigrants, then they should stop destroying Muslim countries

 

[Khanderson]

The west was built on liberalism which means there must be freedom of religion. The west is not doing Muslims a favor by allowing them to practice their faith, they’re just living up to their values. Doing anything else would make them hypocrites

The west have lots of religious minorities, most of them have already integrated in the western mainstream.

Muslims are the only religious minorities that struggle to to fit in with the mainstream in the western world.

Why is that?

Because Muslims beliefs does not intertwine with modern western value.

Muslims are too conservatives and tribalistic with their beliefs.

Is harder for them to fit in.

So it’s better for Muslims to practice their faith in muslim countries where they’ll consider to be compatible and free to express themselves on their host countries.

 

[Mayor]

The west have lots of religious minorities, most of them have already integrated in the western mainstream.

Muslims are the only religious minorities that struggle to to fit in with the mainstream in the western world.

Why is that?

Because Muslims beliefs does not intertwine with modern western value.

Muslims are too conservatives and tribalistic with their beliefs.

Is harder for them to fit in.

So it’s better for Muslims to practice their faith in muslim countries where they’ll consider to be compatible and free to express themselves on their host countries.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but that wasn’t your original point. Your original point was about Muslims being hypocrites which I disagree with

 

[Khanderson]

I agree with a lot of what you said, but that wasn’t your original point. Your original point was about Muslims being hypocrites which I disagree with

Muslims are hypocrites in this argument.

They want tolerance in a secular country and they want to be respected but this goes out the window when we’re dealing with religious minorities in their countries.

The west are also hypocrites but they’re not as worst compare to China or other non secular countries when dealing with religious minorities.

 

[Mayor]

Muslims are hypocrites in this argument.

They want tolerance in a secular country and they want to be respected but this goes out the window when we’re dealing with religious minorities in their countries.

The west are also hypocrites but they’re not as worst compare to China or other non secular countries when dealing with religious minorities.

How are they hypocrites? They never claimed to have liberal values. Why are you judging them by other people’s values?

 

[Khanderson]

If you are a conservative religious Muslim living in the west it’s better for you to go to a Muslim country where it’s easier for you to practice your faith.

I’m quite skeptic of the west and their influences on non western countries.

I’m quite sure I’ve heard a story where Westerner’s were trying to sponsor LGBTQ in Africa when most Africans ( especially Ugandans) opposed those beliefs.

I don’t believe the westerners should force their beliefs on others: because that goes against freedom of beliefs.

The West is open to all religions; islam included

However, because westerners idea are too modernised, Muslims should think carefully whether they should stay in their countries.

Just because a country is secular doesn’t mean you’re compatible enough to live on their standards.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

Non muslim Somalis do exist.

it just a taboo to announce that you’re non Muslim

yes we get you’re a Kaafir with all the bootyclapping you do for foreigners. Then the same niggas will turn around and wonder why they’re not liked?

 

[JustSomeGuy]

If you are a conservative religious Muslim living in the west it’s better for you to go to a Muslim country where it’s easier for you to practice your faith.

I’m quite skeptic of the west and their influences on non western countries.

I’m quite sure I’ve heard a story where Westerner’s were trying to sponsor LGBTQ in Africa when most Africans ( especially Ugandans) opposed those beliefs.

I don’t believe the westerners should force their beliefs on others: because that goes against freedom of beliefs.

The West is open to all religions; islam included

However, because westerners idea are too modernised, Muslims should think carefully whether they should stay in their countries.

Just because a country is secular doesn’t mean you’re compatible enough to live on their standards.

It’s the opposite, they fund homophobic laws in Africa. The “Kill The Gays” Law in Uganda was a direct result of years of campaigning my American Christians. They would love to do the same in America if they could lol. This is why you shouldn’t trust them, their actions in Africa clearly show they’d kill you if they could.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

I have and I disagreed.

Most of your post just felt like a rant against the west and how they’re trying to impose their beliefs on us.

Which wouldn’t make any sense to why muslims are living in western countries to begin with.

If they believe their beliefs aren’t being respected then….leave


Muslims are pro theocratic but wouldn’t mind living western countries that are secular.

They wouldn’t allow other religious minorities in their countries but expect other people to respect their beliefs in western countries.

This is the hypocrisy that needs to be addressed in the Muslim community and ours.

Also:
You’re right about some issues revolving around the hypocrisy of France and their Islamophobic views.

but you can’t say that about the U.K or other western countries; since they’ve been tolerant and accepted of other Muslims.

For example in the UK we have a Pakistani Muslim mayor: Sadiq Khan

In America there’s a lot of famous and known muslims influencers: Suleiman (muslims activist) congress Muslim women that you’re already familiar with; Ilhan Omar.

And historical figure Mohammed Ali.

All those Muslim countries have religious minorities. Egypt alone has a 20% Christian population. Lebanon has Christians represented in their Government. Syria & Iraq were ruled by non-Muslims. Morocco, Lebanon, Algeria all guarantee freedom of religion in their legal system. They’re also all secular because they do not rule on Sharia. All the same religious freedom that is allowed in the West.

Just last year the Arabs in the Middle East celebrated Christmas, with Christmas trees in the malls. There is no hypocrisy.

You are nothing more than a megaphone for Kaafirs, and you Gaal wonder why you’re not accepted. This is why. Going against your own in favour of foreigners.

Wonder why you don’t about the Muslims in China being discriminated against? Or the Muslims in Myanmar being forced to flee their homes or face death? But nah only your own people you got a problem with. The White Man laughs at tools like you.

 

[Ladylike]

We Somalis have a lot of issues because of the war. Before the war we were civilized all you have to do is watch old documentaries see for yourself. The war set us back so I can’t say he is wrong he is right. We need to come together as somalis.

 

[Thelegendhimself]

He’s right about Somalis lack of tolerance towards other religions in Somalia.

These people wouldn’t expect their own to practice a different set of faith.

they’d disown you or call you an Ethiopian.

They’re the same people who’d migrate to other countries and expect respect from other diverse of religious groups of people.

If you don’t respect their faith they’d cry Islamophobia!

hypocrites

Canada isn't Christian it's atheist. I can have my religion and Christianity isn't compatible with Muslims who worshiped allah for thousands of years, Somalis are too proudful to worship a man

 

[Galool]

He’s right about Somalis lack of tolerance towards other religions in Somalia.

These people wouldn’t expect their own to practice a different set of faith.

they’d disown you or call you an Ethiopian.

They’re the same people who’d migrate to other countries and expect respect from other diverse of religious groups of people.

If you don’t respect their faith they’d cry Islamophobia!

hypocrites

It is not hypocritical. Somalia is an Islamic State made up of 100% Muslims and does not claim it is open to other religions.

Western liberal states are secular and claim to welcome all religions and "religious freedom".

So no, it is not hypocritical. It is holding each country to the standards it claims.

 

[Galool]

Nope. The West has diversity as a major value that they push. They're secular and promote this notion of being "neutral" on religious aspects, saying that all religions are the same to the state.

We're not saying that, that is not our way. We've never put forth such strange claims.

The West is trying to force other countries to come into the fold of those values. So they are even worse because they want us to be more like them in our own countries. That's why Biden wanted to sanction Nigeria for its values, and the IMF terminated conditions for loans for Uganda for their values, showing exactly how they try to coerce others into their ways. So it is strange to have this "West has the moral high ground" crap when they never do. Never.

But of course, a non-believing secular guy would also have this being an important factor because your values align more with a random cadaan rather than the average Somali.

By the way, the West has a tremendous bias against Muslims. So the "neutrality secular" bullshit is very differential. So spare us this crap.

Even if they had pure secularism, similar to, for example, France, you see by default how it is anti-Islamic. Jews are not treated like Muslims in France, neither are Christians as they have their own regions without enforced secularism.

So they never let you be in their country and in your country they want to still push their ways.

The point is, that your argument fails. All of them.

Even funnier, that Jew is a massive Zionist and supporter of the genocide that takes place in Palestine and he believes Jews should have an ethno-state. So you failed even there because the guy is actually a real hypocrite and a scum of a human.

Just read this post. Perfectly put.

 

[Galool]

Is this guy retarded. Even wild Animals refuse to stay in somalia let alone somalis. Its not because of religion, but because of the current state of political affairs. Nacas. That's like me saying why are there no Jews in Antarctica. Maybe because humans can't live there
Have you ever thought of that

It is also a fact that there are no Jews in Somalia because there has never been a Jewish community. It is not like they were pushed out.

On the other hand the Zionists went into Palestine a majority Muslim country and ethnically cleansed them, that is their land not the Jews. With the exception of course of the minority Palestinian Jews that always lived there with the Muslims.

 

[Galool]

Non muslim Somalis do exist.

it just a taboo to announce that you’re non Muslim

They do not exist. That is not how it works. There is no community or even family in Somalia known to be anything but Muslim. There never has.

Your assumption that there are secret atheists, christians, buddhist or whatever else is irrelevant.

It is an Islamic State that openly declares so and does not welcome the spread of any other religion. It is not a secular liberal country nor does it aspire to be, itll never happen.

That is the assumption of your whole post. You are speaking about two different societies.

 

[Galool]

I have and I disagreed.

Most of your post just felt like a rant against the west and how they’re trying to impose their beliefs on us.

Which wouldn’t make any sense to why muslims are living in western countries to begin with.

If they believe their beliefs aren’t being respected then….leave


Muslims are pro theocratic but wouldn’t mind living western countries that are secular.

They wouldn’t allow other religious minorities in their countries but expect other people to respect their beliefs in western countries.

This is the hypocrisy that needs to be addressed in the Muslim community and ours.

Also:
You’re right about some issues revolving around the hypocrisy of France and their Islamophobic views.

but you can’t say that about the U.K or other western countries; since they’ve been tolerant and accepted of other Muslims.

For example in the UK we have a Pakistani Muslim mayor: Sadiq Khan

In America there’s a lot of famous and known muslims influencers: Suleiman (muslims activist) congress Muslim women that you’re already familiar with; Ilhan Omar.

And historical figure Mohammed Ali.

He already answered your question in the first post. Read it again if you need to, it is not hypocrisy.

As for why Muslims are in these countries to begin with, it is where Muslims currently are the safest and least likely to be bombed or starved by these western countries. Once they leave Muslim countries alone you will see most return to their homelands. That is the reality.

That is the case for all liberal western countries including the UK.

 

[Galool]

The west have lots of religious minorities, most of them have already integrated in the western mainstream.

Muslims are the only religious minorities that struggle to to fit in with the mainstream in the western world.

Why is that?

Because Muslims beliefs does not intertwine with modern western value.

Muslims are too conservatives and tribalistic with their beliefs.

Is harder for them to fit in.

So it’s better for Muslims to practice their faith in muslim countries where they’ll consider to be compatible and free to express themselves on their host countries.

Your only post in this thread that makes sense. Integration is code word for assimiliating, giving up ones beleifs in favour of another. You are right that Muslims are the only group who for the most part has not done so and will not inshaAllah.

It is indeed better for Muslims to practice Islam freely and more fully in Muslim countries. Once the west stops bombing and sanctioning the said countries most will return.

Until then Muslims will hold onto their religion and call others to it in the countries they have moved into due to war.

 

[mrlog]

They can't stop blaming us for Sarah who's name is even linked to Rah culture lol for being barren for so long as she was scared all inheritance would go to ismacil who is half hamite child from egyptian mother and subsquently the old arabs pre ismacilis who were hamites too. She ranted and raved and hence we call that suuro lol so when Somali hears suuri ya or any word with suuro they know what that culture is about wa habarti ciilaneed Iyo dadka aminsan cilkeeda inu illahi barakeeye lol with ishaq. But is haq was is toosi nayaahe Iyo cuqduda aad uu haysid cilmo ham iska naar. We assume she did thru Islamic revelations but it doesn't mention her specifically but the tribes and of jacob but only Allah knows but we know their Israel or Jacob kids didn't as they wanted to turn religion into dhaxaltoyo to gumaysi ppl which they were given thousands of prophets to stop the madness but they didn't.

Ismacilis got one prophet thru mu ham mad which also shows loyalty to Hajar and ham in his name. He threw the Islam dhaxal to the jama ah and said spread it for good not gumaysi but Jews fooled lots of Shia into israelogy of dhaxaltoyo which Mohamed made clear his not father of any man so no dhaxaltoyo or abtirsi on him is allowed but he did say be nice to his family only if confirmed as the syedis do exist mostly in thru Ali and his kids is what ppl suspect. I think that makes sense being nice to his family cause he didn't leave em shit but left his message for mankind so Jews and Christians don't unite to mind f*ck the world into mental slavery.

Hence when U see shaamis ppl they are masters of suuro talk lol. I even suspect Quran chapters were called surah after Sarah ranting from Sarah to surah because the quran didn't come down as suras but ayahs only but it was organised in suras by later caliphs with Israel love lol an called it suurahs after Sarah lol and why a big bloc of Banu Hashim left at such treachery and loyalty to suuris lol and the aqal or aqeel was given to Somalia as aqal means intelligence and named after their homes in desert. While syedis also exist and went into ardul habash mainly after Bilal left noone has climbed kacbah again making it a nijaas idol today and why I don't go there, the spirit of Bilal is gone. Even another slave entered Jerusalem first to make it dahir before Omar could build Al Aqsa on temple of solomon destroyed for their Jewish treachery lol. Following in Sheba traditions lol. Funny thing is our slaves r sent to them not our best.

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