Land of Punt

[Idilinaa]

Yeah I'm trying to sift throught the evidence but having some difficulty. Scholars go back and forth on its specific location. For example I found some texts that say its in Ethiopia and Eritrea but nothing about Somalia.

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It's a continuous debate , up until recently they was including Arabia other countries as possible location but Baboon specimens ruled them out. The baboon specimens match what is found in Eritrea and Somalia

Their Eastern Sudan and Eritrea arguments rest on proximity. Also the idea of it being a centralized kingdom which it wasn't , it was a decentralized trading emporium and it's described as such by the Egyptians.

And Ancient Egyptians made it clear they were reaching out to a more far southern place and getting sometime shipwrecked there.

 

[EritreanPost_]

It seems likely that it was only located in Ethiopia/Eritrea and maybe Sudan

This guy is Tigrayan

 

[EritreanPost_]

Eritrea Djibouti Somaliland and Somalia were part of the kingdom of punt. Eritrea was likely the centre of the kingdom

 

[Rayaale]

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Eritrea Djibouti Somaliland and Somalia were part of the kingdom of punt. Eritrea was likely the centre of the kingdom

Where exactly in Eritrea I’m guessing southern where the afars live in

 

[The Macrobian]

I refuted this guy.

 

[The Macrobian]

I cooked that nga

 

[Keo]

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Eritrea Djibouti Somaliland and Somalia were part of the kingdom of punt. Eritrea was likely the centre of the kingdom

According to this map, apart from Awdal & parts of Ceerigaabo, it barely covers Somaliland. A lot of it is Sanaag (Somaliland/SSC/Puntland), Sool (SSC/Puntland) and Puntland.

 

[The Macrobian]

According to this map, it barely covers Somaliland. A lot of it is Sool (Somaliland/SSC), Sanaag (SSC) and Puntland.

Nga we were lootin in the deserts of arabia at that time. WE WUZ BANU HASHIM AND SHIETT

 

[Neptune]

I don't understand these historians. The land of Punt was the main place Egypt was getting it's frankincense and myrrh, but the place known for being the main source of both is not part of Punt? It's either they're doing mental gymnastics or they don't know enough about the historical trade in the north.

 

[TheLand]

I don't understand these historians. The land of Punt was the main place Egypt was getting it's frankincense and myrrh, but the place known for being the main source of both is not part of Punt? It's either they're doing mental gymnastics or they don't know enough about the historical trade in the north.

They just don’t want to give credit. It’s clear where it is.

 

[Aseer]

It's a continuous debate , up until recently they was including Arabia other countries as possible location but Baboon specimens ruled them out. The baboon specimens match what is found in Eritrea and Somalia

Their Eastern Sudan and Eritrea arguments rest on proximity. Also the idea of it being a centralized kingdom which it wasn't , it was a decentralized trading emporium and it's described as such by the Egyptians.

And Ancient Egyptians made it clear they were reaching out to a more far southern place and getting sometime shipwrecked there.

We can narrow it down with frankincense since apparently 2 types of frankincensce species have been found in egyptian tombs Boswellia carteri and Boswellia frereana these frankincense species only grow in and are completely native exclusively to somalia. I will personally add into this finding that we are aware of the prevalence and importance of frankincense/myrrh is in somali culture.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

We can narrow it down with frankincense since apparently 2 types of frankincensce species have been found in egyptian tombs Boswellia carteri and Boswellia frereana these frankincense species only grow in and are completely native exclusively to somalia. I will personally add into this finding that we are aware of the prevalence and importance of frankincense/myrrh is in somali culture.

Not true frankincense has many different species and grows pretty much all over the horn and beyond.
Punt didn’t only export incense btw.
The Land of Punt was definitely multiethnic and “ruled” over or expanded in a vast area both inland and on the whole southern red sea/gulf of Aden coast.

 

[Zak12]

Not true frankincense has many different species

He is talking about two specific species of frankincense which grow only in Somalia.

The Land of Punt was definitely multiethnic

I don't know if it was multiethnic tbh. The time frame of Punt predates the ethnogenesis of modern Horner groups like Somalis and Tigrinyas. It was definitely Cushitic but its hard to say what ethnic groups today are directly descendant from the ancient Puntites.

 

[Idilinaa]

Not true frankincense has many different species and grows pretty much all over the horn and beyond.
Punt didn’t only export incense btw.
The Land of Punt was definitely multiethnic and “ruled” over or expanded in a vast area both inland and on the whole southern red sea/gulf of Aden coast.

Thats not true , the two main ones found in the tombs don't grow in other parts of the horn or beyond, and only one is native Arabia and Somalia and one other is native only to Somalia.

Both species are found together in Bari as you can see here:

But yeah i am open to believe they might have been talking about different punts depending on the period and trade expeditions, the earliest one with Hashepsut was most likely Somalia which fits the description of the Northern Eastern ''Terraces of Punt'' and where both of those species are retried from.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

Thats not true , the two main ones found in the tombs don't grow in other parts of the horn or beyond, and only one is native Arabia and Somalia and one other is native only to Somalia.

Both species are found together in Bari as you can see here:

But yeah i am open to believe they might have been talking about different punts depending on the period and trade expeditions, the earliest one with Hashepsut was most likely Somalia which fits the description of the Northern Eastern ''Terraces of Punt'' and where both of those species are retried from.

Proof we know what variety of frankincense the remains of the tree belong to ?
There are 22 different species of Boswellia.
I don’t even think we know what type of tree… myrrh is a whole different tree for example.

 

[Aseer]

Not true frankincense has many different species and grows pretty much all over the horn and beyond.
Punt didn’t only export incense btw.
The Land of Punt was definitely multiethnic and “ruled” over or expanded in a vast area both inland and on the whole southern red sea/gulf of Aden coast.

It was most definitely cushitic and not arabian and the baboon and frankincense examples solidifies us as one of the direct descendants.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

It was most definitely cushitic and not arabian and the baboon and frankincense examples solidifies us as one of the direct descendants.

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What are your answering to ? I was talking about the tree. It hasn’t been identified so far all we know is its supposed origins, Punt.
Everything hints towards the Horn of Africa, mainly coastal regions.
Punt traded far more than just incense (which is found all around the horn). It clearly encompassed more than just a single region. Obsidian stones were a well known export, and they’re mostly found in the Afar triangle/Southern Eritrea.
Btw, 4500y ago most coastal Cushitic people probably belonged to the same groups

 

[Zak12]

Sorry for bumping this old thread but after reading Aseer's inquiry about Punt in another thread, it made me look at the evidence again, particularly with the frankincense. Nigel Hepper says he founded frankincense from tombs that matched with those found in northern Somalia but was this ever tested?

The hieroglyphs just mentioned that frankincense from Punt was divided into higher and lower grades, and some early historians just made a theory that the higher grade mentioned was that grown in Somalia. The two different grades could’ve just been different varieties of the one grown in Eritrea. Or if it is indeed confirmed to have been the varieties found in Somaliland, it could be explained as Puntites being middlemen. @Idilinaa

 

[peterpeter]

It seems likely that it was only located in Ethiopia/Eritrea and maybe Sudan

Its categorically understood to be somali, the person you sourced is a bias somali hater

 

[Midas]

I think one if the strongest evidences is the fact the only other place that's really famous for having incse terraces beside somalia is the dhofar region of oman. Which is funnily enough where the somali clans in oman reside. I think idinlaa posted something before about how somalis in ancient times were invited to harvest the incense oman.