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[Lord Flacko]

She's a bit strange sometimes in that she's has huge disdain and contempt for Somalis as a whole, but yet posts a lot on here.

the girl didn't even know there were somalis in canada or anything about somalis before joining this site, shes admitted to being sheltered and not growing up around somalis which is why she came here. Shes as somali as daniel from elementary

 

[Prince Abubu]

I don't think deflection means what you think it means, consult your nearest dictionary. I already agreed that Somali culture needs more work and that there is a rape culture in our society, as is the case with all shame-based cultures. I offered Twitter (half-jokingly) as an off the cuff remark and you have seemed to have latched onto one sentence out of my entire paragraph like a leach - and you want to talk about other people's intelligence.

My intelligence isn't up for discussion. It is evident you have no interest in a meaningful discussion on how Somalis can address these problems. Neither are you concerned with the plight of women who are raped. You simply saw another opportunity to vent your "muh Somali men" "muh Somalis are backward" diatribe.

 

[Bielsa]

the girl didn't even know there were somalis in canada or anything about somalis before joining this site, shes admitted to being sheltered and not growing up around somalis which is why she came here. Shes as somali as daniel from elementary

I'm honestly interested in what she thinks could be done to improve the situation and shift the culture in a more positive way but she'll accuse me of "deflecting" even though i have long ago acknowledged there are big problems in Somali culture.

 

[Tenacious]

What do you suggest to solve these deep rooted problems?

Sharia law will solve these problems but since Somali

What do you suggest to solve these deep rooted problems?

No matter what solutions I suggest, as soon as we present any solution to the men we will be told, like I was told in the past that "we are a threat to Somali culture". You've seen those so called religious figures in Mogadishu how they went up in arms about the possibility of stopping female circumcision. But suddenly these same religious figures disappear when it comes to rape. Every issue starts with these evil male perverts and they are the only ones who are in the way of any solutions.

 

[VixR]

I don't think deflection means what you think it means, consult your nearest dictionary. I already agreed that Somali culture needs more work and that there is a rape culture in our society, as is the case with all shame-based cultures. I offered Twitter as an off the cuff remark and you have seemed to have latched onto on sentence out of my entire paragraph. Intellectual laziness comes to mind.

My intelligence isn't up for discussion. It is evident you have no interest in a meaningful discussion on how Somalis can address this problems. Neither are you concerned with the plight of women who are raped. You simply saw another opportunity to vent your "muh Somali men" "muh Somalis are backward" diatribe.

If you cannot see the multi-deflections in your posts, I duly suggest you look the word up and reread your comments.

If it was an off the cuff remark, I certainly took it on it's face. As stupid as the comment appeared, I tried to show you credit and thank you for it, despite what I thought, but you cannot possibly believe engaging yourself as Start A Twitter Campaign-Abubu would engender any sort of meaningful discussion, or brevity. And if you did, well that is your own problem.

Whatever reasons you chose to entertain as my motives is up to you, whether that be gender studies hipster girl, or manhating Twitter aspirant that also hates women. Self-delusion is not my forte.

 

[Bielsa]

Sharia law will solve these problems but since Somali




No matter what solutions I suggest, as soon as we present any solution to the men we will be told, like I was told in the past that "we are a threat to Somali culture". You've seen those so called religious figures in Mogadishu how they went up in arms about the possibility of stopping female circumcision. But suddenly these same religious figures disappear when it comes to rape. Every issue starts with these evil male perverts and they are the only ones who are in the way of any solutions.

I totally agree that these religious figures are a cancer. My dad hates them so much that he says one of the few good things Siad Bsrre did was put a boot on the neck of these zealots.

As much people on here decry feminists we do need a Somali feminist revolutiom and we need intellectuals and freedom of choice crusaders and left wing Atheists to change the culture. That's how Christian zealots were tamed in Europe. It won't happen overnight and it'll be hard cos most people back home are uneducated.

What do you think?

 

[Shamis]

Sharia law will solve these problems but since Somali




No matter what solutions I suggest, as soon as we present any solution to the men we will be told, like I was told in the past that "we are a threat to Somali culture". You've seen those so called religious figures in Mogadishu how they went up in arms about the possibility of stopping female circumcision. But suddenly these same religious figures disappear when it comes to rape. Every issue starts with these evil male perverts and they are the only ones who are in the way of any solutions.

The religious in Somalia only care about candhada naagaha. Cutting it, covering it and preventing it from being present in sports halls.

 

[VixR]

I totally agree that these religious figures are a cancer. My dad hates them so much that he says one of the few good things Siad Bsrre did was put a boot on the neck of these zealots.

As much people on here decry feminists we do need a Somali feminist revolutiom and we need intellectuals and freedom of choice crusaders and left wing Atheists to change the culture. That's how Christian zealots were tamed in Europe. It won't happen overnight and it'll be hard cos most people back home are uneducated.

What do you think?

Putting a boot on the neck of sheikhs is also horribly wrong. This is a problem, like I said with Menace. Either prosecuting sheikhs or enforcing Salafist Islamism. It seem the culture only knows extremes. The question is why?

 

[Bielsa]

Putting a boot on the neck of sheikhs is also horribly wrong. This is a problem, like I said with Menace. Either prosecuting sheikhs or enforcing Salafist Islamism. It seem the culture only knows extremes. The question is why?

I'm against it too because I know if it's down to pure battle of ideas they will be defeated easily. We just need to disarm them and not give them any power. Beyond that they shouldn't be persecuted. But I also know those same zealots would behead me, which is why I can see why people like my dad despise the sheikhs. They won't offer you the same tolerance we offer them.

 

[Prince Abubu]

If you cannot see the multi-deflections in your posts, I duly suggest you look the word up and reread your comments.

If it was an off the cuff remark, I certainly took it on it's face. As stupid as the comment appeared, I tried to show you credit and thank you for it, despite what I thought, but you cannot possibly believe engaging yourself as Start A Twitter Campaign-Abubu would engender any sort of meaningful discussion, or brevity. And if you did, well that is your own problem.

Whatever reasons you chose to entertain as my motives is up to you, whether that be gender studies hipster girl, or manhating Twitter aspirant that also hates women. Self-delusion is not my forte.

Self delusion might not be your forte, but strawmen are. You still haven't addressed the meat of my reply and in your haste to tear down my twitter suggestion, you ignored what I was saying then called it deflection - it seems irony is another one of your forte.

I don't mind people who criticise the status quo, as long as they can also provide solutions. But what a lot of people seem to be doing is kicking Somali/Somalia when it is down and they also seem to lack self-awareness.

Also, as much as I dislike purple-lipstick, cow-ring twitter-feminists - nevertheless, Socialmedia can be used to do a lot of good and highlight issues that don't get covered in media or in mosques. I have seen it used to collect donations and help drought-prone regions in Somalia. Who's to say it can't be used to help rape victims?

 

[TheLibertarianQuiche]

When I was in Somalia, was everywhere. Golis, Hormuud and Somtel deliberately don't ban hub, brazzers, redtube etc. but other lesser known sites.

Also rape-culture was slowly taking hold: At school kids were boasting of screwing women in luuq's and then cumming on their jilbaab. No lie. I remember asking if they knew the women and they said they make sure they never meet them again. Now I understand why.

 

[VixR]

Self delusion might not be your forte, but strawmen are. You still haven't addressed the meat of my reply and in your haste to tear down my twitter suggestion, you ignored what I was saying then called it deflection - it seems irony is another one of your forte.

I don't mind people who criticise the status quo, as long as they can also provide solutions. But what a lot of people seem to be doing is kicking Somali/Somalia when it is down and they also seem to lack self-awareness.

Also, as much as I dislike purple-lipstick, cow-ring twitter-feminists - nevertheless, Socialmedia can be used to do a lot of good and highlight issues that don't get covered in media or in mosques. I have seen it used to collect donations and help drought-prone regions in Somalia. Who's to say it can't be used to help rape victims?

The meat of your post consisted of deflections.

If I'm discussing the cultural contribution to the high prevalency of rape and gang rape in Somalia, and point out the cultural norms that contribute to it's constancy even where other crimes are being punished and under control, and how the culture deliberately treats it even in first world countries where there are standing institutions for it, it is a glaring deflection to state "rape happens all over the world even in your precious West where women are fearing for their lives to leave their homes". That is gargantuan deflection.

If I point out how xeer has taken the place of conventional courts and how it treats rape, and how the victim and her entire clan and family are shamed instead of helped, and you say "there is no government for the last 30 years". That is a deflection of epic magnitude.

It isn't a stawman to skip your deflections to address the only part of your post that brought something to the table, albeit a stupid something that was "off the cuff", and yet now you pursue to be something that should target the products of problem instead of tackling it's roots, all the while self-deluding me as to be a purple be-lipsticked, cow-ringed, Twitter feminist you hate, an image you conjure to brush a serious topic with a frivolousness of a cause like Free The Nipple.

 

[Mohamud]

Mahamud why are you still bitter? Is there anything that I can do to help you ease the pain of being verbally dominated & violated online ridiculed to the point where you had to change your nick

 

[Bahal]

My posts are factual. If my avatar and "female" byline and history as a poster did not reveal for one, you would not be making such a comment.

Anything to deflect away from terrible cultural norms. Keep making excuses and denial claims, maybe one day that tactic will pay off for Somalia.

Rape is now a cultural norm?

I'm really sick of this pretentious 19 year old Somali "expert".

 

[VixR]

Rape is now a cultural norm?

I'm really sick of this pretentious 19 year old Somali "expert".

You should be really sick.

 

[Bahal]

You should be really sick.

I wonder what random"factoid" you're gonna fall for today and run with as an example of "problematic" Somali culture.

Did you know there was a clan whose patriarch was reportedly a notorious rapist? He had three sons whose descendants are now called bah qabsi, bah xoog, and bah kufs.

 

[VixR]

I wonder what random"factoid" you're gonna fall for today and run with as an example of "problematic" Somali culture.

Did you know there was a clan whose patriarch was reportedly a notorious rapist? He had three sons whose descendants are now called bah qabsi, bah xoog, and bah kufs.

I didn't imagine what I've seen. One other user told me I was lying when I said qabil destroyed a young marriage in our family, that's how utterly pretentious you are. Anything that's true in wide proportion isn't acknowledged to even be in existence.

You can't face reality, so you make fables. The sooner these ills are admitted, the sooner they can be addressed. I really wish one day you'll depart from the constant lies and bullshitting.

 

[Jubba_Man]

Black folks have women like this @VixR they call her bed-wenches. To them black males are the source of all evil in the world, and the white master can never do no wrong. If they were to acknowledge it, they would just dismiss it as apart of "human" nature.

Unlike in Somali culture, which calls to treat women gently and kindly, they don't shy away from verbally dragging them and outcasting them from their communities.
Raise your kids exclusively around cadaans and expect them to turn out normally, brehs.

 

[Bahal]

I didn't imagine what I've seen. One other user told me I was lying when I said qabil destroyed a young marriage in our family, that's how utterly pretentious you are. Anything that's true in wide proportion isn't.

You can't face reality, so you make fables. The sooner these ills are admitted, the sooner they can be addressed. I really wish one day you'll depart from the constant lies and bullshitting.

You don't have the right to criticize a culture you clearly don't understand. I can not for the life of me understand why you feel so comfortable discussing a subject you're totally ignorant of.

I'm an actual authentic cultural critic because I actually tend to know the subject. I criticize qabiil, FGM, certain aspects of the xeer, and many other flawed or archaic cultural practices, and yet at the same time, I'm humble enough to admit there are probably things I don't understand and am willing to learn without coming in with preconceived biases and notions of how things should be from a blinkered western perspective.

Repeat it after me VixR, it's OK to say I don't know.

 

[VixR]

Black folks have women like this @VixR they call her bed-wenches. To them black males are the source of all evil and vile in the world, and the white master can never do no wrong. If they were to acknowledge it, they would just dismiss it as apart of "human" nature.

Unlike in Somali culture, which calls to treat women gently and kindly, they don't shy away from verbally dragging them and outcasting them from their communities.
Raise your kids exclusively around cadaans and expect them to turn out normally, brehs.

Lol. A very fascinating post, shapeshifter. Bringing "racial" tones to the conversation, bc really that's what this is all about; ze White man.

I guess this is what overdosing on TheColi does to a Yemeni-looking Darood Bantu identity-crisis'd "breh" that praises and drags Somali culture at will.