Looks lik your sixth sense need a tuneup, much like your...frame of being did, apparently
Maybe you should give me that tuneup. All my rhetoric aside, I believe in the equal opportunity for both sexes to do "body" shop work.
Looks lik your sixth sense need a tuneup, much like your...frame of being did, apparently
Yeah, you tell me what's going on? You cape for bad culture bc you equate yourselves with it. I can stand back and look at this as a Somali, without being threatened by my frame of being, and say; you what...this is really bad. Why can't you do the same."I'm saying is the culture perpetuates the constancy and prevelancy of [gang] rapes." Stop lying lol
I know it had a civil code, I got to learn a little about that "civil code", although my expectations were never high for a place like Somalia, now in current times nor before.
I don't want you to get that idea. But all I'm saying is the culture perpetuates the constancy and prevelancy of [gang] rapes, even ones that happen the farthest from it's shores. That you would deny this is amazing to me.
Your always in denial, ffs I wish you would stop it with the constant denial from everything from culture to where things stand on different spheres for our ppl. When you see old men doing xeer on the subject of a Somali guy raping a 'not there' girl, impregnating her, and then entire boy's family picks up cross country, and nothing, I mean nothing happens, what does that tell you?
This is a disappointing response that doesn't give any new information.Why am I not surprised you know? Can you tell me how our civil code dealt with rape? Do you know the penalties?
How exactly? You can't make outrageous claims and expect people not to call you out on it. So tell me, how on earth does our culture perpetuate the constancy and prevalence of gang rape?
ngl, you've lost me here. Xeer is a system that once had its use but is now outdated with the advent of our civil code. One family's decision does not reflect on our entire culture, nor does it make much sense to use one anecdote to come to the strange conclusion that our culture somehow perpetuates rape ffs.
The family should have pressed charges.
In Somalia, there is no rule of law, even the xeer, when it comes to those who are seen as easy victims i.e. minority groups. It is a consequence of total societal collapse and doesn't represent our core cultural values anymore than looting public coffers or war crimes do.
This is a disappointing response that doesn't give any new information.
That would be believable if the system was contained within Somalia, which is bad enough, but it isn't. If it's a consequence total societal collapse as your trying to pass off, why do these features manifest themselves outside the confines of a collapsed society, in countries with a rule of law?
I've already gone over the hows, you can simply pinpoint where I need to be "called out"c and I'll address it. Two cases known to me and multiple stories out there serve as pure anecdote to you; it's all a giant coincidence.
"Shariah law will solve these problems" a girl who loves Allah is so beautiful to me wallahi shariah law is beautifulSharia law will solve these problems but since Somali
No matter what solutions I suggest, as soon as we present any solution to the men we will be told, like I was told in the past that "we are a threat to Somali culture". You've seen those so called religious figures in Mogadishu how they went up in arms about the possibility of stopping female circumcision. But suddenly these same religious figures disappear when it comes to rape. Every issue starts with these evil male perverts and they are the only ones who are in the way of any solutions.
But this isn't any new information, Bahal. I already know you pay tribal fees, and I already know it's collective clan based blame and suffering with no real punishment for the actual perpetrators as usual. Are you saying you don't see how this system perpetuates rape, esp in our current climate/setting, and with respect to the diaspora?Again, you haven't answered any of my questions. Can you tell me how the pre war civil code dealt with cases of rape?
Under the xeer system, rape is one of the most heinous crimes and carries stiff penalties second to only murder.
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The rapist effectively forces his immediate diya paying group into poverty, and if they cannot pay, or the rapist commits further crimes or if his diya paying group refuses to pay, the rapist will be outcasted and find himself clan less which virtually leaves him without any protection to face the consequences i.e. death. In a traditional pastoral community, this is a strong deterrent to crime that forces the entire community to suffer because of the actions of an individual.
Your anecdotes only reflect upon individual families that, under either the civil code of their country or the xeer, are criminals fleeing justice. This does not in any way equate to Somali culture condoning rape, which you explicitly claimed.
Again, it's obvious that your understanding of Somali culture boils down to stories you've heard. I am here to clarify your obvious misconceptions of what Somali culture entails.
Bis weeye tan aniga ba waasayo hadalkeeda ba batay iskoronyo beerka caro ku goosay naa waa qooqsan tahay ee aniga machineka kugu raqibayo dhiigada wuu kacsan yahay aniga ku qaboojinayo qumayo yahay qumayoda ahBut this isn't any new information, Bahal. I already know you pay tribal fees, and I already know it's collective clan based blame and suffering with no real punishment for the actual perpetrators as usual. Are you saying you don't see how this system perpetuates rape, esp in our current climate/setting, and with respect to the diaspora?
But this isn't any new information, Bahal. I already know you pay tribal fees, and I already know it's collective clan based blame and suffering with no real punishment for the actual perpetrators as usual. Are you saying you don't see how this system perpetuates rape, esp in our current climate/setting, and with respect to the diaspora?
There's a goddamn epidemic in that country and it's not even contained. And you don't want to hear it, but it will catch up with you, and reflect itself in the state of your society and its people.Bis weeye tan aniga ba waasayo hadalkeeda ba batay iskoronyo beerka caro ku goosay naa waa qooqsan tahay ee aniga machineka kugu raqibayo dhiigada wuu kacsan yahay aniga ku qaboojinayo qumayo yahay qumayoda ah
That country? It's people? You mean our country & our people why do you talk like you're from a different race? Data my g I thought the programme you had built in you was SomaliThere's a goddamn epidemic in that country and it's not even contained. And you don't to hear it, but it will catch up you, and reflect in the state of your society and its people.
Are you a Muslim & if so do you believe in the shariah?Nah @Bahal my nigga capital punishment is a flawed concept
Even the cadaans couldn't get it right and judicial slaughter is a forte of theirs.
Anecdotes, really? Are you saying it isn't a common theme for families to go that route?How does it perpetuate rape when a rapist not only ruins his entire family but his entire diya paying group? If anything, it is an even stronger deterrent than jail time since your family will quite possibly starve to death because of your actions.
I personally prefer a civil code that punishes rape with death, but even I can see the effectiveness of the xeer in certain cases.
In the diaspora, criminals should be punished according to the law of the land. Again, your anecdotes reflect solely on families that are attempting to flee justice.
Funnily enough, the civil war not only destroyed our civil code but also eroded the xeer system that was very effective in deterring and punishing criminal activity.
If anything, the very fact that the particular case we're discussing has caused such an uproar is indicative of how abnormal this is in Somali culture.
I'm not the one in denial.That country? It's people? You mean our country & our people why do you take like you're from a different race? Data my g I thought the programme you had built in you was Somali
Are you a Muslim & if so do you believe in the shariah?
Nah @Bahal my nigga capital punishment is a flawed concept
Even the cadaans couldn't get it right and judicial slaughter is a forte of theirs.