Misconceptions about Islam

[Layth]

Children born into slavery are most likely to be a part of the owners family. Just like with the Oromo captures Somalis had.



Are you done now?

Exactly. They also get their share of inheritance and their mothers obtain the status of "umm al-walad".

 

[VixR]

Yet they still manage to find a way! it's incredible
Killing them is an alternative option apparently

According to them, keeping slaves is the only way to subdue an already conquered population aside from killing the rest of the civilians!

Literally the only way. A population cannot be subdued without human enslavement!

1) A slave owns nothing. By definition, she is owned.

The real reason they're enslaved is to become POSSESSIONS so the conquerors can take on their belongings as their own, ie, mass stealing (post en masse slaughter).

It's not only slavery of a human body, but an effective redistribution of WEALTH to refill the coffers of the warmongers and fuel further conquest, and to keep the soldiers happy.

LOOT!

2) Layth keeps mentioning "burdenless" labor, but an unburdened slave is USELESS to it's master. The slave's output has to be higher than the worth of keeping the slave, otherwise the master is LOSING money.

The outright lying going on in this thread is hurting my head.

 

[Lord Flacko]

According to them, keeping slaves is the only way to subdue an already conquered population aside from killing the rest of the civilians!

Literally the only way. A population cannot be subdued without human enslavement!

1) A slave owns nothing. By definition, she is owned.

The real reason they're enslaved is to become POSSESSIONS so the conquerors can take on their belongings as their own, ie, mass stealing (post en masse slaughter).

It's not only slavery of a human body, but an effective redistribution of WEALTH to refill the coffers of the warmongers and fuel further conquest, and to keep the soldiers happy.

LOOT!

Layth keeps mentioning "burdenless" labor, but an unburdened slave is USELESS to it's master. The slave's output has to be higher than the worth of keeping the slave, otherwise the master is LOSING money.

Okay @dhegdheer @VixR @Jujuman Tell us the alternatives. You've been saying "there are more merciful ways" but what are they? You've never stated any.



And stay realistic with your alternatives

Still waiting

 

[dhegdheer]

@Layth think women are like live stock who needs to be captured during a bandit raid

"GET HA"

 

[VixR]

Still waiting

Riddle me this, were your grandfathers slaves?

 

[Lord Flacko]

@Layth think women are like live stock who needs to be captured during a bandit raid

"GET HA"

Okay @dhegdheer @VixR @Jujuman Tell us the alternatives. You've been saying "there are more merciful ways" but what are they? You've never stated any.



And stay realistic with your alternatives

 

[dhegdheer]

Leave. Them. Be.

 

[Lord Flacko]

Riddle me this, was your grandfather a slave?

Riddle me this, can you answer a question without dodging it?

Okay @dhegdheer @VixR @Jujuman Tell us the alternatives. You've been saying "there are more merciful ways" but what are they? You've never stated any.



And stay realistic with your alternatives

I asked you two pages ago. Either admit there aren't any or stop posting in this thread if you're going to avoid arguements.

 

[VixR]

Riddle me this, can you answer a question without dodging it?

I asked you two pages ago. Either admit there aren't any or stop posting in this thread if you're going to avoid arguements.

Answer the question.

Were your grandfathers slaves?

 

[Lord Flacko]

Leave. Them. Be.

So if the men are all dead you want the victors to leave the women and children and let them rot? Would you be happy if your ancestors did that do Oromo women and children?

Or do you want to leave both the women and men be, so they can attack you again only now with more insight into you? That would only lead to more bloodshed.

 

[Layth]

According to them, keeping slaves is the only way to subdue an already conquered population aside from killing the rest of the civilians!

Literally the only way. A population cannot be subdued without human enslavement!

1) A slave owns nothing. By definition, she is owned.

The real reason they're enslaved is to become POSSESSIONS so the conquerors can take on their belongings as their own, ie, mass stealing (post en masse slaughter).

It's not only slavery of a human body, but an effective redistribution of WEALTH to refill the coffers of the warmongers and fuel further conquest, and to keep the soldiers happy.

LOOT!

2) Layth keeps mentioning "burdenless" labor, but an unburdened slave is USELESS to it's master. The slave's output has to be higher than the worth of keeping the slave, otherwise the master is LOSING money.

The outright lying going on in this thread is hurting my head.

What's funny is you say that as if all nations don't do that (loot their opponents post-war). So what you're suggesting is that Muslims should become economically and militarily incapacitated? Why don't you talk about the PoW in Western camps? Are their "output" higher than the worth of keeping them? It's not really expensive to maintain another individual; when they live under your roof, eat from what you eat, etc.

A slave could still be useful if they're doing minor house chores that will relieve some of the burden off their hosts. Not everything is based on making economical gains.

By the way, a large number of slaves were actually prominent people in their societies and played important roles (i.e. holding authoritative positions, etc).

 

[Lord Flacko]

Answer the question.

I asked you first three pages ago You can't answer my question with another question and then demand me answer yours first. Are you stupid?

 

[VixR]

I asked you first three pages ago You can't answer my question with another question and then demand me answer yours first. Are you stupid?

Are you gonna answer the yes or no?

 

[dhegdheer]

So if the men are all dead you want the victors to leave the women and children and let them rot? Would you be happy if your ancestors did that do Oromo women and children?

Or do you want to leave both the women and men be, so they can attack you again only now with more insight into you?

I'd prefer it, what we did to the oromos is shameful

Not all men participate in war, especially nowadays. They're just civilians, is your answer to kill them as well? just in case they might retaliate

This is what I mean when I say 7th century doesn't hold up in this day and age...

 

[Layth]

@Discontinous apparently Muslims should not seize the properties of their opponents after defeating them. We should leave them to decay and return to our homes respectively.


Every time they set a benchmark for their stupidity that I deem essentially impossible to surpass; they surprise me wallahi.

 

[VixR]

@Discontinous
Second question: How many powers were Somali territories subject to?

 

[NoName]

@Discontinous You're just hiding behind hypotheticals now. First of all, it's amusing that the scenario you posited is as a result of Muslims killing all the men off, as you put it. Secondly, you don't know that's what is gonna happen. It's like Americans trying to justify slavery back in the day by saying 'these niggas are thousands of miles away from Africa, they're gonna die if we don't enslave them.' It's stupid and absurd.

 

[Lord Flacko]

@Discontinous You're just hiding behind hypotheticals now. First of all, it's amusing that the scenario you posited is as a result of Muslims killing all the men off, as you put it. Secondly, you don't know that's what is gonna happen. It's like Americans trying to justify slavery back in the day by saying 'these niggas are thousands of miles away from Africa, they're gonna die if we don't enslave them.' It's stupid and absurd.

Americans went and purchased slaves. Thats haram. Americans tortured them and raped them, also haram. Americans treated them like dogs. I don't condone any of that shit.


We're talking about alternatives. Do you know any that I havent mentioned?

 

[dhegdheer]

Americans went and purchased slaves. Thats haram. Americans tortured them and raped them, also haram. Americans treated them like dogs. I don't condone any of that shit.


We're talking about alternatives. Do you know any that I havent mentioned?

????? Arabs did all of that as well

 

[Lord Flacko]

@Discontinous apparently Muslims should not seize the properties of their opponents after defeating them. We should leave them to decay and return to our homes respectively.


Every time they set a benchmark for their stupidity that I deem essentially impossible to surpass; they surprise me wallahi.

Have an ajnabi tell them Somalis should return captured land and they'll be fuming