I am not even going to bother responding to this yappa yappa when you don’t live in Australia nor have any knowledge about our politics.
It’s very clear from the first sentence that you know nothing about Australia.
Liberals is the term used for conservatives/Tories in Australia.
Look at you. You quoted me on nonsense trying to paint a lie to people, then responded without respect to my text that put some minor effort into what you quoted me on in sincerity. That is why most of you forum losers deserve to be slapped across the face since your parents did not teach you enough manners, it seems.
I am going to correct you once again on your dishonesty and end it there since you are a character who lacks understanding of anything beyond your nose. And I would appreciate you don't quote me again. You clearly set the precedent for this but since you cannot engage in an adult conversation clearly, thus you drive the conversation to the lowest mean instead of showing humility by gracefully exiting when some people say things you don't carry prior knowledge of or have the self-respect to concede for. But I will take a mental note and remember that you're never worth responding to next time. That is fair.
Now, on to the reasons that will be final:
Liberals as in progressive and classical liberalism.
We're talking
ideology of the whole lot spanning the far majority of the political spectrum in the entire West. This is the number one driving bottom line of Israel's existence irrespective of nation-line or perceived internal nuance. But of course, you would not understand, you're an activist type; you never do things beyond having high enthusiasm about superficial things that lack depth. That's why you quoted me, trying to sell nonsense when the actual reality agrees with everything I wrote. It has clear ideological rooted support since Western imperialism functionally formed from the colonialist model, which your country was fully part of, being a willing participant and subsidiary of the British empire and it has that legacy based on its role in the Middle East since all Western countries transformed their imperialistic ideology into the Western value-chain of today that is mostly in agreement based on the liberalistic concept that also was the core of the ideals since the colonialist era. This includes Israel for a fact, as a material manifestation of such continuing evolving phenomena that have a strong consistent chain. That is why it was no coincidence that Australia was the first country to recognize Israel as a country, and here you are trying to make it seem like an exceptional neutral ground for the battle of conflicting ideals when it has never been historically or now. You have to have some shame.
As I said again, this is a Westernist-rooted cause. It has always been so; 100 years ago and now. You know this to be true if you're not too far outside the needed knowledge provisions and lack the decency to admit it. If you are clueless, Zionism was based on liberalistic colonial-imperialistic principles since Theodore Herzl was a big proponent (a fan) of these European nations and their action toward "liberalizing" the "savages" of the world. That is why he, being the father of what ideologically became Israel, shaped the core of its principles on being a Western instrumental imperialist peripheral embodiment and ally, an extension of it. That is why Israel always had support from the Western world because it played that role, inherently in its functions. There is plenty of literature on this.
You have scholarships that back everything I say. What Israel is today, what it means for the West, was always inherent to its construction. You can keep lying by saying I yap trying to undermine my takes, but that means only you're the fool who lacks a serious perspective on the matter. Your takes serve to convince impressionable children. What you are in truth is a stooge of Australia, trying to not only wash its history but also the true realities of its persistent legacy that drive the entire practical actions just to give some positive projections. That makes you an evil sellout who subverts the truth for a comforting lie that has plagued this discourse while people are getting killed in Palestine or a tool that does the same but you're less deliberately evil but sadly not knowledgable enough to hold a responsible conversation on this.
And what the actual polls say is that 49% of Australians think no one should take sides on the matter of the Israeli genocide actions toward Palestinians. This is very different from what you tried to dishonestly paint. No action means that half of the Australian poll participants, and we are not counting the ones who side with Israel, a section that amounts to a significant number (2% short of ones who believe more should be done for Palestine (note that this does not mean not support Israel's current existence or that it should fundamentally change)), believe Palestinians don't have sufficient conditions to be sided with; the typical both-sides symmetry is usually a tactic that gives considerable weight to Israel without trying to seem like a monster but it is in support of the status quo to play itself out since they are practically morally unconvinced of the Palestinian cause that is apparently just., i.e., Israel doing the damage on Palestinians. This is the typical passive Westernism in action letting Israel do what it has for decades upon decades.
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But I know your kind. You are misrepresenting the polls:
This...
Does not mean being for Palestine or against Israel. You need to learn how to read polls.
Only 40% believe Israel should withdraw after all. Poll statistics are very particular in what they say, so you cannot extrapolate one sentiment from one thing towards another, which is clearly demonstrated here -- and if you remember, it was the first thing I responded to you with when you said I have no clue. Namely, feeling a circumstantial need to help Gazans which is mostly temporally provincial, does not mean that Australians want Israelis to reconstruct their state, so it stops the genocidal model they've had for many decades. In fact, evidence points to the contrary of what I also showed you, with how they have security relationships with Israel, sell fighter jets, and participate in its military economy for their self-gain that only exists to kill innocent, displace, and take over land...
And further, withdrawing from Gaza does not even mean being against Israel in its entirety. Watch them change sentiment when you place a condition on the poll question:
Do you think Israel's current model of operation is inexorably the cause of the genocide and thus, do you think we should pressure them to revert back to the 1967 border, and let Palestinians get a state that allows it an army? And/or become one nation where total democracy is set in place, where Israel cannot be the Jewish nation, where Zionism is abolished?
I will tell your naive arse right now, that the number that would respond in support for that in its entirety, would be low. Support for withdrawal from Gaza does not mean support for that hypothetical poll question, and the hypothetical poll question is the bare minimum to stop the conflict. If you think so, then you're frankly a liar trying to deceive people. The majority of Westerners believe the current operations of Israel are principally correct in its state framework but excessive in its projections. Exessivness is their only main problem. They don't even recognize that the issue is the underlying functions. But once you sus out the question that would require Israel to mold itself differently, watch Westerners get defensive. Most of those people do buy into that MENA is a savage land and Israel is its child.
You're one of those people who try to paint yourself as a leftist, I think. But I bet if you went and read Chomsky, something akin to what I wrote would pop up. I have not read his texts on this particular issue, but I know most left-leaning scholars, and I mean the serious ones, share a similar synthesis of things for the underlying problem of why the West (and this does not exempt Australia as you sort of naively think) have persistently supported Israel.
I'm going to leave you with this as you needed correction and end it here. But remember, teach yourself some discipline when you talk to people. Don't quote people without expecting to be held accountable for your words instead of being the equivalent of a floozy rolling her eyes. It's filthy behavior and reflects on your character as a man.
